DT770 vs Cloud 2s headphone for gaming

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

What do you think is better for gaming, the DT770 pro or HyperX cloud 2s?

Do you think the simulated 7.1 is better for gaming?

How much is the audio quality difference between the two? (Are they worth the money difference)

Are the DT770 as comfortable as the cloud 2s?

Cheers.

[r.linder]

Simulated 7.1 is almost always utter garbage, I would never recommend using it, especially for games where hearing a sound from a specific direction is important.

Surround sound is best used solely on speakers.

DT770 vs Cloud II is like night and day; the 770s are an audiophile headset, while the Cloud II are a high quality headset for lower budget gamers that don't necessarily care for the best sound quality.

[Kaihekoa]

Hyper X Clouds are a good game headphone, but the Beyerdynamics are at least twice as good. I have the DT 770s and DT 990s and used to use the HyperX Cloud 2. You can often find DT 770s for $120 USD and they are well worth it. Good stereo headphones sound better than simulated surround imo, but you can try simulated surround on any headphone via Windows 10.

[Talby]

now you're on the right track - the dt770 is much better however there is no 7.1 usb adapter to provide the surround sound like the Clouds have. You can get whatever that is within your budget, even a cheap usb sound card like the SB Play!3 (under 20 quid) should be able to drive the 80-ohm cans if you get that version (80 ohm is best choice IMO) . Or splurge and get a quality dac/amp like the dragonfly black. Or both lol, one for games and one for high fidelity (where the dt770 will really shine)

[UserNotFound]

I had both the DT990 Premium and the DT770 Pro, sold off the latter......NOT because it wasn't great for gaming (open sounding for a closed back can), I simply have too many headphones. I still have a modded Fostex T50RP, Denon AH-D7000 and an AT ATH-A900X Ltd Ed to use as closed back cans. Between the DT770 and the HyperX Cloud, it's a no brainer....the former wins if one doesn't need a mic.

Edit - One thing to take note of, Beyerdynamic cans (DTxx0 series) are known for their rather sparkly highs, so if you're sensitive to peaky treble, best to either avoid, or EQ the hell out of it.

[iceman1980]

Originally posted by mikey:

I had both the DT990 Premium and the DT770 Pro, sold off the latter......NOT because it wasn't great for gaming (open sounding for a closed back can), I simply have too many headphones. I still have a modded Fostex T50RP, Denon AH-D7000 and an AT ATH-A900X Ltd Ed to use as closed back cans. Between the DT770 and the HyperX Cloud, it's a no brainer....the former wins if one doesn't need a mic.

Edit - One thing to take note of, Beyerdynamic cans (DTxx0 series) are known for their rather sparkly highs, so if you're sensitive to peaky treble, best to either avoid, or EQ the hell out of it.

The DT770's with an additional onboard PC DAC with builtin amp would be a good option. I'm currently running an ASUS STX II 7.1 Dolby Virtual Surround 7.1 is absolutely amazing.

[Andrius227]

I have both. But since i got the dt770 pros i retired the cloud 2’s.

Dt770 pros are amazing, at least for the price. But they do kinda need a headphone amp. But some motherboards can power them ok too.

And the dt770 pros are much more comfortable.

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

I've also been looking at Audio-technica which i've heard are very good, still on the fence about what to buy, Maybe when the stores open up i can try some lol.

I also don't know how much of a worthy improvement these (High tier) headphones would be, since it can really only sound as good as the game allows it.

I've heard Cloud2s has good simulated surround sound, are the simulated surround sound programs you can get on your computer as good?

Also i don't like the idea of having to buy a amp for my headset, but that's just me.

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

I also tried the Cloud 2s, Extremely comfortable and a good fit.

But i don't know if i was over analyzing, but in some games it felt like some sounds were being over taken by other sounds on the Clouds.

But then on Farcry 5, it sounded good, the surround sound made it sound like my pet bear was coming right behind me (Even though he didn't, he came from the left) So although more immersive, was inaccurate.

Weird.

[Talby]

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

...I also don't know how much of a worthy improvement these (High tier) headphones would be, since it can really only sound as good as the game allows it.

Agree, my SHP9500s are now permanently mated to my Onkyo AVR for late-night listening, uncompressed FLAC sounds absolutely amazing... My budget Samson SR850s have a home next to my monitor, perfect for the lossy sound in games and streaming movies.

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

I've heard Cloud2s has good simulated surround sound, are the simulated surround sound programs you can get on your computer as good?

I have mentioned Sound Blaster's SBX as my preference, IMO much better since you can adjust the "depth" of the surround to compensate for the inaccuracy to an extent. Some people just cannot process HRTF[en.wikipedia.org] that is required for virtual surround to work as expected.

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

Also i don't like the idea of having to buy a amp for my headset, but that's just me.

You could just get the 32-ohm version of the DT770, but the 80-ohm does sound much better when amped up.

Not to throw in a wrench, but maybe a revisit into the budget studio cans may be worth another look:

Monoprice Modern Retro (116150)[www.amazon.co.uk] £33

Monoprice Modern Retro @ Head-Fi[www.head-fi.org]

Originally posted by FullBright1@head-fi review:

...They sound .... sorta.......like if you took the HD600 and mixed in a bit of Sony MDR-7506, then added the HD650's entire bass response, and finally adjusted all this into a mild "V" shape...

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

I believe I have a sound card in my pc, no idea how strong or what it is.

Currently on Amazon the dt 770s are only a £30 difference so I'm tempted to just buy them and I might look into getting a simulated surround sound programme.

As you can tell I'm quite fussy, I dont want to regret a high cost purchase.

Question for the DT 770 users, are you able to be immersed in a game? Would animals running spark some sort of fear etc.

Sorry I'm digging as much information and opinions as I can, thanks for the responses.

And for what its worth, do any of you UK residents know if currys/pc world (any other) would have these headphones on display for consumers to try ?
I know that's a long shot but if you dont ask... Cheers!

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

Originally posted by Talby:

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

...I also don't know how much of a worthy improvement these (High tier) headphones would be, since it can really only sound as good as the game allows it.

Agree, my SHP9500s are now permanently mated to my Onkyo AVR for late-night listening, uncompressed FLAC sounds absolutely amazing... My budget Samson SR850s have a home next to my monitor, perfect for the lossy sound in games and streaming movies.

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

I've heard Cloud2s has good simulated surround sound, are the simulated surround sound programs you can get on your computer as good?

I have mentioned Sound Blaster's SBX as my preference, IMO much better since you can adjust the "depth" of the surround to compensate for the inaccuracy to an extent. Some people just cannot process HRTF[en.wikipedia.org] that is required for virtual surround to work as expected.

Originally posted by ☣BlueNinja2ooo☣:

Also i don't like the idea of having to buy a amp for my headset, but that's just me.

You could just get the 32-ohm version of the DT770, but the 80-ohm does sound much better when amped up.

Not to throw in a wrench, but maybe a revisit into the budget studio cans may be worth another look:

Monoprice Modern Retro (116150)[www.amazon.co.uk] £33

Monoprice Modern Retro @ Head-Fi[www.head-fi.org]

Originally posted by FullBright1@head-fi review:

...They sound .... sorta.......like if you took the HD600 and mixed in a bit of Sony MDR-7506, then added the HD650's entire bass response, and finally adjusted all this into a mild "V" shape...

Thanks for all the information, I'll keep them in mind.

[iceman1980]

Get the DT770s and an internal PCIE DAC interesting thing about SoundBlaster models is a lot of them support an insane sample rate up to 384kHz @ 32bits this is the highest sound fidelity you can reach with an internal DAC. And don't use USB I've got Astro-50s and the two separate power sources from the USB power for the base station generates noise on the mic input channel.

[☣BlueNinja2ooo☣]

Is there any point in getting DT770s If I'm not going to buy a amp and just use what on my motherboard?

Also, as you can tell I dont know much about audio, but what's the point in an amp for your headphones, if you can only withstand a certain volume before it causes damage? Thanks again.

[Randy Marsh]

I have the DT 880 Pros, its pretty much DT 990s with DT 770s together.

[Talby]

Good summary about headphone impedance:

What Is Headphone Impedance?[www.turntablelab.com]

The video is quite technical, helps to have AC and DC power theory behind you to understand reactance in AC circuits.