[RUS] Election Hacker 2020 年 5 月 7 日 下午 10:57
Looks like it's going to be another tough generation for consoles
Let's see.[www.techradar.com] On paper, using the only GPU figure provided to us, which is teraflops, the Xbox Series X is already underpowered compared to the RTX 2080 Ti and similar to 2080, which were released in 2018. Yet this is almost certainly an overestimation of the Series X's capabilities, due to various bottlenecks and sharing of resources, as explained in the article. It's entirely possible that the actual performance may only be comparable to a 1080. The PS5, with 10 tflops (compared to 12 for the Xbox and 14 for the 2080 Ti), is even worse.

But things get even more interesting.[www.tomshardware.com] Nvidia Ampere, which will be available in late 2020 to coincide with the release of the new consoles, will have much higher specs than the 20 series. If the leaks are accurate, the 3060 with 10.2 tflops will match the PS5, while the 3070 at 13.6 tflops will soundly beat the Xbox. The 3080 at 18.4 tflops will blow it out of the water, and the 3080 Ti at a mind-boggling 28.7 tflops is almost triple the PS5. "What about the cost?" you might ask. Well, it's looking like the new generation of GPUs is actually going to be cheaper compared to the last. This is the situation at the launch of the new console generation.

And yet the bad news for consoles does not end.[www.notebookcheck.net] According to this article, it is likely that in 2021 Nvidia will follow up with ANOTHER new generation of GPUs built in the 5nm process. It's too early to say exactly but a rough estimate would be another 40% increase in power, at slightly higher prices. This means that the lowest-end 4060 will comfortably beat both consoles, while the other GPUs will be ahead by an order of multiples (4070 = 2xPS5, 4080 = 3xPS5, 4080 Ti = over 4xPS5). All of this within 1 year of the launch of the new consoles.
最後修改者:[RUS] Election Hacker; 2020 年 5 月 8 日 下午 2:45
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Hatman 2020 年 5 月 15 日 下午 4:05 
For a fair comparison you would have to take an exclusive title, like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn for instance, redevelop it from the ground up for PC (or make one of those few actually good ports) and then compare them. But that is rarely feasible for a game dev studio. So we will probably never see a comparison video of it.

GTAV was originally a PS3 game, so both the PS4 and Windows versions are basicly ports. And Witcher 3 was simultaniuosly developed for 3 Systems, not exactly a performance wonder on either.

Anyway, i think consoles have more potential (Wich doesn't shine in most crossover titles). You think they're glorified mini PCs. We're not gonna see eye to eye.

I enjoy both systems equally. This console/pc feud is helping noone..

Snow 2020 年 5 月 15 日 下午 5:19 
引用自 Hatman
For a fair comparison you would have to take an exclusive title, like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn for instance, redevelop it from the ground up for PC (or make one of those few actually good ports) and then compare them. But that is rarely feasible for a game dev studio. So we will probably never see a comparison video of it.
Sure. Yakuza Kiwami 2 is one of those exclusive games that was ported to PC later on. Runs around 30fps 900p on PS4. Guess what it does on 750 Ti? The very same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK6DdTBTZ14
引用自 Hatman
Anyway, i think consoles have more potential (Wich doesn't shine in most crossover titles). You think they're glorified mini PCs. We're not gonna see eye to eye.

I enjoy both systems equally. This console/pc feud is helping noone..
The thing is I also love consoles. Just got 150+ upvotes on reddit defending consoles in PCMR lol. It's not console/pc thing here, it's facts/suggestions. The most powerful console out there, X1X, has multiple settings in RDR2 below the lowest possible in PC version. And that console is an upgraded version released just 4 years after the basic console exactly because the basic one had no potential at all, both PS4 and X1 were pretty mediocre at launch, and low-end just 2 years later. Come on, we're talking 750 Ti level here, that's not what potential looks like.
It looks like most of your knowledge about consoles come from PS3 era, because its architecture was so complicated it took years for developers to learn how to make good use of that hardware. It's questionable if that should be called potential, or just lazy developers, but it definitely wasn't the case for 8 gen consoles with their standard laptop hardware, and is not going to be the case for 9 gen.
SHREDDER 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 1:20 
引用自 Snow
引用自 Hatman
visual standards than what the last gen consoles archieved
900p on medium settings in 2014 games? That's your visual standards?
引用自 Hatman
HAHAH ! Console gamers have veryl low standards. Mine GTX 970 from 2014(with cpu ram motherboard andd hdd upgraded in 2017) still plays ultra settings 1440p 30+ fps in current games while playstastion and xbox play mostly on low settinga or medium. Iam wondering if games like Scorm, Halo infinitite, Hellblade 2 e.t.c. you know games that will come to pc and xbox series x but not xbox one and plasystation 5 if they will have somehow higher requirements than those games who will also relase on xbox one and ps4. But it dont matter because all consoels wiill be playing at low settings even if the graphics of low and medium become better in the future games. Iam impressed with how long gtx 970 has lasted and iam realy currious how much longer it can continue running the games at max settings 1440p.
SHREDDER 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 1:26 
引用自 Snow
引用自 Hatman
For a fair comparison you would have to take an exclusive title, like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn for instance, redevelop it from the ground up for PC (or make one of those few actually good ports) and then compare them. But that is rarely feasible for a game dev studio. So we will probably never see a comparison video of it.
Sure. Yakuza Kiwami 2 is one of those exclusive games that was ported to PC later on. Runs around 30fps 900p on PS4. Guess what it does on 750 Ti? The very same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK6DdTBTZ14
引用自 Hatman
Anyway, i think consoles have more potential (Wich doesn't shine in most crossover titles). You think they're glorified mini PCs. We're not gonna see eye to eye.

I enjoy both systems equally. This console/pc feud is helping noone..
The thing is I also love consoles. Just got 150+ upvotes on reddit defending consoles in PCMR lol. It's not console/pc thing here, it's facts/suggestions. The most powerful console out there, X1X, has multiple settings in RDR2 below the lowest possible in PC version. And that console is an upgraded version released just 4 years after the basic console exactly because the basic one had no potential at all, both PS4 and X1 were pretty mediocre at launch, and low-end just 2 years later. Come on, we're talking 750 Ti level here, that's not what potential looks like.
It looks like most of your knowledge about consoles come from PS3 era, because its architecture was so complicated it took years for developers to learn how to make good use of that hardware. It's questionable if that should be called potential, or just lazy developers, but it definitely wasn't the case for 8 gen consoles with their standard laptop hardware, and is not going to be the case for 9 gen.
Guess what yakuza kiwami 2. 1 and 0 does on my gtx 970 from novemver 2014? All 3 run 60 fps 1440p max settings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf2OxCHJZFQ&t=11s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBsSU4ZUxTw&t=10s gtx 970 released very close to ps4 and the only better gtaphics card than it was gtx 980. However after so long i still run max settings all games 1440p 30+ fps (from 2014 until now on current games)while ps4 runs only low 900p. See? That why i havent changed it yet and i dont see any reason to hurry until ray tracing gets improved and runs without DLSS.
SHREDDER 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 1:29 
The cheaper and worst pc graphics card right now is GTX 1650 which costs only 150 euros but it is more powerful than ps4 pro and xbox one x graphics card. For 500 you buy RTX 2070 SUPER that beats playstation 5 and xbox seriesx x graphica card.
vadim 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 1:39 
引用自 SHREDDER
The cheaper and worst pc graphics card right now is GTX 1650
GTX 1650S.
InfinityJosh 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 1:57 
引用自 SHREDDER
The cheaper and worst pc graphics card right now is GTX 1650 which costs only 150 euros but it is more powerful than ps4 pro and xbox one x graphics card. For 500 you buy RTX 2070 SUPER that beats playstation 5 and xbox seriesx x graphica card.

GTX 970 is good, 1920x1080p high settings 60 fps in GRID 2019.
My RX 580 4GB (GTX 980 performances) is just slightly faster and is a strong GPU for 1080p high settings FXAA/CMAA for every game paired with 2x8 GB RAM.
SHREDDER 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 3:47 
引用自 vadim
引用自 SHREDDER
The cheaper and worst pc graphics card right now is GTX 1650
GTX 1650S.
That is even more powerful than GTX 1650. For 150 euros you get a better graphics card than xbox one x.
Dryspace 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 6:32 
引用自 RUS Election Hacker
Let's see.

I really, really hope you're right about this, because Microsoft is pulling out all of the stops in an effort to finally kill PC gaming for good.

There's no doubt that the X Series is very impressive, for a console. What also seems obvious is that MS is planning on taking a gigantic loss on these units--way more than ever before--in its effort to both stop console gamers from fleeing to PC, and to entice PC gamers to console in the wake of ridiculous GPU prices combined with a disturbing slow-down in GPU innovation (The avg. NVIDIA GPU cycle was always ~14 months. RTX took 29 months to release (on paper) with mediocre gains, and we're looking at another 24+ month cycle back-to-back. When one looks at generational gains, one has to take into consideration the period over which those gains occurred. Annual % gains over the last 4 years have really slowed.)

Between Windows 10, people being convinced that laptops are legitimate for serious gaming, and everything else, there is a lot to be concerned about for anyone who does not want AAA PC gaming to disappear from the face of the earth.

While the GPU of the X Series is outclassed on release, the CPU is ~4 times more powerful than last gen if the specs are accurate. Combined with additional RAM, if nothing else this should hopefully allow us to FINALLY see some actual innovation in AI and physics, which means innovation in gameplay and not just graphics.
It's Chase 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 SHREDDER
引用自 vadim
GTX 1650S.
That is even more powerful than GTX 1650. For 150 euros you get a better graphics card than xbox one x.
I think you should be comparing these GPUs to the newer Consoles. The Xbox Series X is going to have a GPU on par with an RTX 2080. That's literally what I have in my PC, and it was $800 when I got it. The Series X is going to be priced around $400-$500.

Imagine a $500 Console with 2080 performance? I don't know how they do it, but that's just insane. This Console might actually surpass my PC for half the price, which is really scary to think.
最後修改者:It's Chase; 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 9:25
vadim 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 9:38 
引用自 It's Chase
The Xbox Series X is going to have a GPU on par with an RTX 2080.
Highly unlikely.
Dryspace 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 9:53 
引用自 It's Chase
Imagine a $500 Console with 2080 performance? I don't know how they do it, but that's just insane.

There's nothing mysterious about it. They're taking a piece of custom HW that costs $1,000 to make, and instead of selling it at $1,200 for a $200 profit, they're selling it at a gigantic loss.

They do this for two reasons: 1. Because obviously almost no one is going to buy a $1,200 console, and 2. They make their money back over the course of 7-8 years with all of the licensing, royalties, certification fees, XBox Live passes, etc. Plus the fact that the HW itself costs less and less to manufacture as it gets more and more outdated.
It's Chase 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 10:14 
引用自 Dryspace
引用自 It's Chase
Imagine a $500 Console with 2080 performance? I don't know how they do it, but that's just insane.

There's nothing mysterious about it. They're taking a piece of custom HW that costs $1,000 to make, and instead of selling it at $1,200 for a $200 profit, they're selling it at a gigantic loss.

They do this for two reasons: 1. Because obviously almost no one is going to buy a $1,200 console, and 2. They make their money back over the course of 7-8 years with all of the licensing, royalties, certification fees, XBox Live passes, etc. Plus the fact that the HW itself costs less and less to manufacture as it gets more and more outdated.
I know, but it's still insane to me. Seems like they're going to take a huge loss this generation.
Mr Blonde 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 10:45 
They make a loss every generation. The original PS4 and Xbox is 7 years old, that’s only reason it struggles today to compete against pc hardware yet people still compare and gloat their pc can outperform a 7 year old console. Yay achievement lol

When the new consoles arrive Itl take ages for most pc users to catch up with hardware to compare. Take shredder for example
Dryspace 2020 年 5 月 16 日 上午 11:34 
引用自 It's Chase
I know, but it's still insane to me. Seems like they're going to take a huge loss this generation.

Yeah, I read a very detailed description of the X Series HW the other day, and it's clear MS spent far more than ever before--almost every aspect was given special attention.


引用自 Mr Blonde
The original PS4 and Xbox is 7 years old, that’s only reason it struggles today to compete against pc hardware...

That's not true though. On the last gen, the Xbox One was released in the same year as the 4770K (the CPU I'm still running), and yet the 4770K was already ~5 times as powerful.

The GPU was also underpowered on release, but not near as underpowered as the CPU. That held back AAA gaming in a huge way, as the CPU limits AI and physics innovation, which in turn limits gameplay innovation.

If the X Series CPU is really 4 times more powerful than XBO, it won't match a 4770K, but I'm hoping we'll finally see some really interesting gameplay innovation for the first time in over a decade.
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