i7-7800x vs i7-7700k in gaming

[Big Boom Boom]

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/page9.html

More power, more core, more memory bandwidth, similar clock and less gaming performance on CPU intensive game? Colour me surprise.

Also still can't run SLI at x16 each.

[Mossy Snake]

Also that TDP though.

X299 was kind of ridiculous anyway.

[CursedPanther]

Those tests are all done on 1080p right? I wonder how things will be different once the resolution reaches 1440p and 4K.

[Kaihekoa]

Something is wrong with his mb compared to other reviewers. It was mentioned in his youtube video. Besides, a 6-8-10+ core CPU isn't for gaming. High resolutions make the GPU the bottleneck, so the CPU matters even less.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

You should check their new Xeon line up... I can't even... Brozen Xeon, sliver Xeon, gold Xeon, and platinum Xeon...

You might even like to check out this blog post as well.
https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/intel-says-amd-epyc-processors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck

All I'm going to say is that AMD going to have a really good time for awhile.

[Big Boom Boom]

Bigger problem is i7-7800x and i7-7820x still not get full 44 PCIe lanes. What gives Intel. No chance for 4 way SLI?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Big Boom Boom eredeti hozzászólása:

Bigger problem is i7-7800x and i7-7820x still not get full 44 PCIe lanes. What gives Intel. No chance for 4 way SLI?

You got to cough up that dough if you want that milk and honey.

My concern is why does the i5 7640X, and the i7 7740X even exist, if they're no better than the previous generation, which makes you think, because you have to cough up a premium price for a X299 motherboard, then cough up a even higher premium price just to able to make full use out of it.

This is how Intel should of been pricing their products, but nope, their ego got the better of them for this time.
http://i.imgur.com/pNrDfrk.png
or
http://i.imgur.com/mWCK7Ag.png

[Andrius227]

Big Boom Boom eredeti hozzászólása:

Bigger problem is i7-7800x and i7-7820x still not get full 44 PCIe lanes. What gives Intel. No chance for 4 way SLI?

Yeah i think it's a bit weird how newer cpu's are actually downgraded in some ways. My good old 5930k, which is ~3 years old now, has 40 pcie lanes and has pretty much the same clock speed as the i7-7800X...

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Andrius227 eredeti hozzászólása:

Big Boom Boom eredeti hozzászólása:

Bigger problem is i7-7800x and i7-7820x still not get full 44 PCIe lanes. What gives Intel. No chance for 4 way SLI?

Yeah i think it's a bit weird how newer cpu's are actually downgraded in some ways. My good old 5930k, which is ~3 years old now, has 40 pcie lanes and has pretty much the same clock speed as the i7-7800X...

Like the IPC single threaded performance isn't that much difference between the two, which isn't a whole lot if you think about it, but what is messed up is the fact that you lose 12 lanes going from 5930k to 7800X/7820X, but the 5820K has 28 lanes as well, so IDK what Intel doing, but at these price points, especially the 7820X which is still 28 lanes for $600, makes you think they must be smoking some really strong stuff, if their ego is that big, because for 8 cores, that should of been guaranteed 40+ lanes.

[CursedPanther]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

Big Boom Boom eredeti hozzászólása:

Bigger problem is i7-7800x and i7-7820x still not get full 44 PCIe lanes. What gives Intel. No chance for 4 way SLI?

You got to cough up that dough if you want that milk and honey.

My concern is why does the i5 7640X, and the i7 7740X even exist, if they're no better than the previous generation, which makes you think, because you have to cough up a premium price for a X299 motherboard, then cough up a even higher premium price just to able to make full use out of it.

This is how Intel should of been pricing their products, but nope, their ego got the better of them for this time.
http://i.imgur.com/pNrDfrk.png
or
http://i.imgur.com/mWCK7Ag.png

See it as Intel building the poor man's entrance to the 'elite club'. Considering those owners now already possess an X299 board, it's basically half the admission fee. It's a double edged tactic really, either you manage to slice yourself a bigger portion of the pie or you just cut your finger instead, and Intel is willing to bet.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

CursedPanther eredeti hozzászólása:

See it as Intel building the poor man's entrance to the 'elite club'. Considering those owners now already possess an X299 board, it's basically half the admission fee. It's a double edged tactic really, either you manage to slice yourself a bigger portion of the pie or you just cut your finger instead, and Intel is willing to bet.

I agree with you, because if Intel doesn't smarten up, how long will it last before the 'elite/fan club' leave them, because it's only a matter of time before they start losing faith in them, if intel doesn't smarten up, I'm hoping the 8xxx series won't be a mess like this one.

[vadim]

Big Boom Boom eredeti hozzászólása:

More power, more core, more memory bandwidth, similar clock and less gaming performance on CPU intensive game? Colour me surprise.

Nothing surprising. Modern games doesn't need more than 4 fast physical cores. They gain nothing from them.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

I agree with you, because if Intel doesn't smarten up, how long will it last before the 'elite/fan club' leave them, because it's only a matter of time before they start losing faith in them,

That will never happen because they haven't competitors in HEDT.

[Big Boom Boom]

Threadripper. At least Lisa Su was making out TR as a competitive gaming platform.

I still don't buy the Crossfire Vega presentation though.

[vadim]

HEDT has nothing with gaming. And more than 6 cores CPU is definitly not for the gaming today. Have you noticed how Intel artificially limited its 7800x/7820x to make them more difficult to compete with higher Intel CPUs? And 7800x clock rate was futher limited to avoid i7-7820x competition. ATM Intel competes only with itself on this market.

[Kaihekoa]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

This is how Intel should of been pricing their products, but nope, their ego got the better of them for this time.
http://i.imgur.com/pNrDfrk.png
or
http://i.imgur.com/mWCK7Ag.png

Keep dreaming buddy. The 4 core X99 CPUs were a mistake, but Intel hasn't gotten to its current position by selling products for Costco level margins. AMD has operated at a net loss for a long time and only
slashed prices to gain market share at the expense of margins. But, I think they will have a golden window between Ryzen and Intels 10mm die shrink to make a profit and gain some market share. I own stock in both companies, but still expect Intel to maintain long-term dominance in the market due to their branding, greater resources, and better R&D.

[vadim]

Kaihekoa eredeti hozzászólása:

The 4 core X99 CPUs were a mistake

As for me, i7-7740k probably looks as best possible gaming CPU in the world nowadays.