Upgrading GPU

[rezo]

I currently have a RX 590 and i5 9400f, I struggle to run a few games at 1440p ultra and have to lower graphics settings or even resolution depending on the game.

On Cod warzone I play a lower resolution to hit 144 fps.

Do you guys reckon a RX 5700 XT would be worth the money? Its not very much for what it is and it contests with the 2070 super. £380 seems a bargain to me

[Magma Dragoon]

Computex has been delayed until late September, I don't think we'll see any new GPU releases until then.

[r.linder]

rezo님이 먼저 게시:

Autumn님이 먼저 게시:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-590-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4033vs4045

It's not really up to me, since you're the one that's buying it; do you think ~50% improvement in games is worth almost 400 quid?

You COULD opt for a used 1080ti on Ebay
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-590-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4033vs3918
It would provide more performance, for about the same price.

Also may I add the 1080 ti and rx 5700 xt are actually very close in real life performance, the rx 5700 xt actually beating it in some games such as BF V and Forza. Seeming the 1080 ti was the flagship card of the last generation costing 2x as much msrp I think the RX 5700 xt is a sick card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxE6yIxAsg

5700XT is one of the best value GPUs at the moment, but there'll probably be better options from NVIDIA with the 3000 series later this year or early next year, depending on how hard the human malware issue hits development.

Driver issues are mostly quashed. Though drivers will always be buggy for new release AMD cards, so waiting for AMD cards means often waiting upwards of a year longer for the driver to be fixed...

[nullable]

emoticorpse님이 먼저 게시:

Brockenstein님이 먼저 게시:

...At any rate waiting is a choice, not a brilliant strategy...

You can't know that unless you know the future. As soon as I got my 2070 they threw out the Super series.

And?

I know what you're angling toward. But let me ask you this. Was your 2070 less powerful because of the 2070S? Or is this just envy talking? You would have got a 2070S if it had been an option. It's a pretty minor upgrade, so how long would you have waited? Certainly the day the 2070 was released you wouldn't have waited for the 2070S. How about a week after launch? A month? Six months? What's the arbitrary amount of time you want to throw out where waiting is the the optimal choice and a brilliant (consumer) strategy? And what good is it unless you know exactly how long to wait? Because I maintain it's not 3D chess...

A lot of people wait because for them part of the value of hardware is tied to how close it is to its initial launch and how close it is to the release of new hardware. And the idea you won't "have it" as long. I'm gonna argue that you do the math, cost per day, +/- six months is insignificant.

And for example people were shouting wait for the 20 series at least 8-9 months before launch. And for the most part that was kind of a let down. Same thing with the AMD Vega cards. Wait and wait and wait. It was so worth it... But the 900 and 10 series were both big leaps over their predecessors so waiting seems like the obvious choice, in hindsight.

Waiting is a gamble, not a guarantee. Gambling is not a brilliant consumer strategy. And neither is living with subpar performance because maybe the next card at your budget's price point might be significantly better, when it's released, in 6-12 months...

In stocks there's a theory that you shouldn't try to time the markets. The idea is attractive because if you could, you could clean house. And if you can't you just waste time and energy, or lose money. I think idea is roughly applicable to hardware as well. You can try to time the market, I understand the appeal. Most people are probably better off just buying hardware when they need it. And I don't need to know the future to understand that.

[emoticorpse]

Brockenstein님이 먼저 게시:

emoticorpse님이 먼저 게시:

You can't know that unless you know the future. As soon as I got my 2070 they threw out the Super series.

And?

I know what you're angling toward. But let me ask you this. Was your 2070 less powerful because of the 2070S? Or is this just envy talking? You would have got a 2070S if it had been an option. It's a pretty minor upgrade, so how long would you have waited? Certainly the day the 2070 was released you wouldn't have waited for the 2070S. How about a week after launch? A month? Six months? What's the arbitrary amount of time you want to throw out where waiting is the the optimal choice and a brilliant (consumer) strategy? And what good is it unless you know exactly how long to wait? Because I maintain it's not 3D chess...

A lot of people wait because for them part of the value of hardware is tied to how close it is to its initial launch and how close it is to the release of new hardware. And the idea you won't "have it" as long. I'm gonna argue that you do the math, cost per day, +/- six months is insignificant.

And for example people were shouting wait for the 20 series at least 8-9 months before launch. And for the most part that was kind of a let down. Same thing with the AMD Vega cards. Wait and wait and wait. It was so worth it... But the 900 and 10 series were both big leaps over their predecessors so waiting seems like the obvious choice, in hindsight.

Waiting is a gamble, not a guarantee. Gambling is not a brilliant consumer strategy. And neither is living with subpar performance because maybe the next card at your budget's price point might be significantly better, when it's released, in 6-12 months...

In stocks there's a theory that you shouldn't try to time the markets. The idea is attractive because if you could, you could clean house. And if you can't you just waste time and energy, or lose money. I think idea is roughly applicable to hardware as well. You can try to time the market, I understand the appeal. Most people are probably better off just buying hardware when they need it. And I don't need to know the future to understand that.

The issue with the 2070 purchase was that I could have had a slightly more powerful GPU for the same price this entire time if I had waited just a little longer. I wasn't really of one of those people that thought "let me wait for 3xxx" series. I just was postponing and postponing until I finally tired of my 1050 ti and ran into something at the right price for performance that I wanted. Every time I think of my 2070 I feel like I got screwed and I probably shouldn't take it that seriously, but it bugs me to this day.

Waiting is a gamble, but to say it's not a brilliant strategy is only correct if you equally say it's not an awful strategy. That's my point I guess.

[nullable]

It's not an awful strategy, it's just an arbitrary strategy.

And I bought a 1080 ti like two months before the 20 series came out because I was tired of my 970. And then the 2080 comes out and it's not even an upgrade worth talking about...

I mean each person is trapped by their experiences and perceptions. And you can make yourself feel bad about anything. But here's the thing, in your situation you got the 2070, Nvidia announced the 2070S, it was still like weeks or months before that hardware is available with non-blower coolers from partner vendors. And by the time the 2070 needs replacing the 2070S is such a small upgrade it's literally going to be in the same boat. So while I can't convince you to change your feelings, for my money it's a fuss over nothing.

[-=SOF=-WID99]

also i would steer clear of any rx 5700 XT card with a blower style fan ..they run hot and loud in many cases ..hence you can find em cheaper then no blower style cards

but hey it's your cash up to you if hot an load is ok with you

[Bing Chilling]

Autumn님이 먼저 게시:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-590-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4033vs4045

It's not really up to me, since you're the one that's buying it; do you think ~50% improvement in games is worth almost 400 quid?

You COULD opt for a used 1080ti on Ebay
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-590-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4033vs3918
It would provide more performance, for about the same price.

this man knows whats good. get a 1080ti for that price range its basically a 2080 without RTX for 200-300$ less.

[SHREDDER]

i have Ryzen 1700 gtx 970 and 1440p monitor. I am waiting for better graphics cards becuase if buy RTX 2080TI or RTX 2070 SUPER then ray tracing will not run well. I sugest you to do the same. It seems like AMD and Intel will release their hgih end graphics cards soon which wil be better than RTX 2000 but a much cheape price. If it is happen then i wil think maybe about getting one of those instead of waiting for better Nvidia cards. But until now i buy only Nvidia.

[emoticorpse]

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

i have Ryzen 1700 gtx 970 and 1440p monitor. I am waiting for better graphics cards becuase if buy RTX 2080TI or RTX 2070 SUPER then ray tracing will not run well. I sugest you to do the same. It seems like AMD and Intel will release their hgih end graphics cards soon which wil be better than RTX 2000 but a much cheape price. If it is happen then i wil think maybe about getting one of those instead of waiting for better Nvidia cards. But until now i buy only Nvidia.

How cheap will the new cards be?

[Autumn_]

emoticorpse님이 먼저 게시:

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

i have Ryzen 1700 gtx 970 and 1440p monitor. I am waiting for better graphics cards becuase if buy RTX 2080TI or RTX 2070 SUPER then ray tracing will not run well. I sugest you to do the same. It seems like AMD and Intel will release their hgih end graphics cards soon which wil be better than RTX 2000 but a much cheape price. If it is happen then i wil think maybe about getting one of those instead of waiting for better Nvidia cards. But until now i buy only Nvidia.

How cheap will the new cards be?

Don't ask him, he doesn't know.

[iZaYh]

-=SOF=-WID99님이 먼저 게시:

also i would steer clear of any rx 5700 XT card with a blower style fan ..they run hot and loud in many cases ..hence you can find em cheaper then no blower style cards

this sounds like something to factor in.
thx i didnt kno bout this aspect, just presumed newer/ modern cards were quieter these days.
ive just started looking into GPUs, and possibly a model that serves as an External Card.

does this go for all GPUs with blower style fans?

[r.linder]

iZaYh님이 먼저 게시:

-=SOF=-WID99님이 먼저 게시:

also i would steer clear of any rx 5700 XT card with a blower style fan ..they run hot and loud in many cases ..hence you can find em cheaper then no blower style cards

this sounds like something to factor in.
thx i didnt kno bout this aspect, just presumed newer/ modern cards were quieter these days.
ive just started looking into GPUs, and possibly a model that serves as an External Card.

does this go for all GPUs with blower style fans? :lunar2020thinkingtiger:

Pretty much. Blowers are always loud and inefficient, but are actually good in really tight ITX cases where the GPU is going to be right up against a panel with no airflow.

[SHREDDER]

emoticorpse님이 먼저 게시:

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

i have Ryzen 1700 gtx 970 and 1440p monitor. I am waiting for better graphics cards becuase if buy RTX 2080TI or RTX 2070 SUPER then ray tracing will not run well. I sugest you to do the same. It seems like AMD and Intel will release their hgih end graphics cards soon which wil be better than RTX 2000 but a much cheape price. If it is happen then i wil think maybe about getting one of those instead of waiting for better Nvidia cards. But until now i buy only Nvidia.

How cheap will the new cards be?

They need to be cheap enough to sell well. Ethere must be at least 40% faster than the RTX 2000 at 50% cheaper price. Iam sure that AMD and intel can do it to increse their sales but let hope that Nvidia will also be forced to drop prices after the lower than expected sales. But now that even sony started releasing their games on pc we will see alot more consoel gamers becomign pc gamers and that will result in higher high end graphics cards sales anyway.

[r.linder]

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

emoticorpse님이 먼저 게시:

How cheap will the new cards be?

They need to be cheap enough to sell well. Ethere must be at least 40% faster than the RTX 2000 at 50% cheaper price. Iam sure that AMD and intel can do it to increse their sales but let hope that Nvidia will also be forced to drop prices after the lower than expected sales. But now that even sony started releasing their games on pc we will see alot more consoel gamers becomign pc gamers and that will result in higher high end graphics cards sales anyway.

ROFL. Not gonna happen because NVIDIA and Intel are both anti-consumer corporations that only care about profit. NVIDIA will get a 40% increase in performance, but they're more likely to leave prices the same or actually increase them before they decrease them. Once again, you only listen to your own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ expectations.

[iZaYh]

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

...consoel gamers becomign pc gamers and that will result in higher high end graphics cards sales anyway.

this could be a good thing?!
i wonder if the immergence of External GPUs will factor into all this??!!
or have I just learnt about them? lol

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Pretty much. Blowers are always loud and inefficient, but are actually good in really tight ITX cases where the GPU is going to be right up against a panel with no airflow.

TY - thats very helpful