Why is there a over-exaggerated stigma with cheap components?

[Cyber2B]

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

I built my cousins PC 4yrs ago(Q4 2016) with corsair valueselect DDR4 8gb (i5 6600, RX 470 blower edition, asrock h110m, EVGA 500w PSU system, 1tb HDD, HP Pavilion case off craigslist.

Hasn't broke down and runs solid. And note he plays 4-5 hours a day on AC, RDR2, Warframe, PubG, Warzone, etc

Sidenote I didn't update the bios in 2016 when i built it so thats another suprise lol

[Omega]

A few reasons:

• Ultra-budget components generally are using poor quality components. Just spend $10 more and buy a better board which does use proper components.
  
• Lack of upgradability, buying a board with an entry-level chipset can often mean (Especially when buying AMD) that after 2-3 years the latest CPUs will no longer be supported on your board. A board with a better chipset will be $10 more and save you money in a few years when you upgrade.
  
• Shorter warranty. A Corsair VS PSU will have 3 years of warranty, a CXm which costs $10-20 more will have 5. Same story with motherboards.
  
• Blower cards are often loud, and some are even so bad that they will throttle which hurts performance.

These components often will run just fine, but you should avoid them just in case. Better to have that better quality and warranty for $10 more just in case something does go bad

[hawkeye]

Stigma means disapproval by most people. It's a society thing. I don't think it exists concerning pc's because society is not concerned about pc's.

There certainly is advice to buy sensibly. For example the difference in price between a 6600k and 6700k might have been $100. Over 4 years (1400 days) that's about 7 cents a day. So had there been a need for a better performing cpu, with an upgrade probably involving cpu, mobo, memory, cooler etc. buying at the low end can actually cost more. That's good advice not disapproval.

I'm playing with a cpu from 2011. It performs better than a 6600k. So I might look at a 6600k as a dumb buy. You, not me, might think that is me looking down at you. But the reality is that no-one cares what another person's hardware is. I just think I'm lucky I didn't buy one. I have a 6700k rig as well, which I think was a dumb buy too. Admittedly it seemed good at the time. I don't feel disapproval from society.

Secondly, there is a concept called a Value Proposition. It means the attributes of an item that makes it a good buy - for the buyer. You might view a difference in one person's acceptable value proposition to your's as disapproval.

If anything I'd say that you have a false sense of the world. It's called Weltanschauung. A person''s view of the world is largely based on assumptions formed by life experience. In this example I'd say those assumptions aren't quite right.

[emoticorpse]

Probably because pc enthusiasts usually run into a lot of experiences with hardware gone wrong
and those experiences really leave lasting impressions.

[AbedsBrother]

Cheap hardware can frequently result in system instability and / or failure. Doesn't mean cheap = bad. People just have to do their research (which most people don't tbh) to find the cheaper components that will suit their usage scenario.

[shoopy]

There's a difference between cheap and inexpensive.

[nullable]

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

I built my cousins PC 4yrs ago(Q4 2016) with corsair valueselect DDR4 8gb (i5 6600, RX 470 blower edition, asrock h110m, EVGA 500w PSU system, 1tb HDD, HP Pavilion case off craigslist.

Hasn't broke down and runs solid. And note he plays 4-5 hours a day on AC, RDR2, Warframe, PubG, Warzone, etc

Sidenote I didn't update the bios in 2016 when i built it so thats another suprise lol

If you have strong opinions about cheap components you're probably not in the market for opinions about components. If you're asking for opinions about components you're asking for people's expertise but you're also going to get their preferences and biases. If you don't want that, don't ask random people for their opinions.

While I don't have an ax to grind with cheap components I would also say that you not having issues doesn't necessarily project onto everyone else evenly. Although I would agree to an extent that the PC building community is trapped in a never ending downward spiral where anything someone can fuss over, they will like it's the most important thing. It's never going to change so you have to work around it.

[Washell]

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

Why is there a over-exaggerated stigma with cheap components?

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

If you ask a guy in a Ferrari hat and a Ferrari jacket and Ferrari shoes what's the best car, you already know what he's going to say. (*)

Likewise, if you ask a bunch of hardware enthusiasts about quality and performance levels, don't expect anything on the cheap end. Half of the people here consider a 2070 barely on par. And would consider my i5-6500/1050TI only trash worthy while it's perfectly capable of playing and running at a level I'm perfectly fine with. Ask them for a budget PC build and they struggle to get below a $1000, when there's perfectly reasonable stuff to be built for $500-$600.

TL;DR: there's only a stigma when you're inside the cult.

* I didn't forget the pants
he's not wearing any

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by Washell:

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

Why is there a over-exaggerated stigma with cheap components?

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

If you ask a guy in a Ferrari hat and a Ferrari jacket and Ferrari shoes what's the best car, you already know what he's going to say. (*)

Likewise, if you ask a bunch of hardware enthusiasts about quality and performance levels, don't expect anything on the cheap end. Half of the people here consider a 2070 barely on par. And would consider my i5-6500/1050TI only trash worthy while it's perfectly capable of playing and running at a level I'm perfectly fine with. Ask them for a budget PC build and they struggle to get below a $1000, when there's perfectly reasonable stuff to be built for $500-$600.

TL;DR: there's only a stigma when you're inside the cult.

* I didn't forget the pants
he's not wearing any

Well, I've always had hardware on the low end of the spectrum, but I think on the 'overall scale.'
In terms of that, your i5-6400 and 1050Ti, and my i5-6600k and 970, are garbage, low end, soon to be useless for gaming (Read, new games.)
There's nothing wrong with keeping a realistic view of overall hardware, but I agree, some people here call some hardware just useless, and I don't quite agree with it sometimes.
For example, people do call the 970, and 1050Ti useless, myself included at times. But, realistically, they can do lots of games at medium settings, and E-sports quite well.
But, I've always found, in my personal experience, bigging something up leads to dissapointment, why overhype a low/mid range GPU up, so the person thinks they're getting something they're not.

TL;DR, it's better to call something a POS than it is ''Still brillant and will do whatever you need.''

[Snow]

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

I built my cousins PC 4yrs ago(Q4 2016) with corsair valueselect DDR4 8gb (i5 6600, RX 470 blower edition, asrock h110m, EVGA 500w PSU system, 1tb HDD, HP Pavilion case off craigslist.

Hasn't broke down and runs solid. And note he plays 4-5 hours a day on AC, RDR2, Warframe, PubG, Warzone, etc

Sidenote I didn't update the bios in 2016 when i built it so thats another suprise lol

Since when i5-6600 and RX 470 is crap? Sounds like a fine gaming machine to me.
Maybe you're confusing low-end components with ultra-cheap garbage, which can be of bad quality.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Washell:

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

Why is there a over-exaggerated stigma with cheap components?

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

If you ask a guy in a Ferrari hat and a Ferrari jacket and Ferrari shoes what's the best car, you already know what he's going to say. (*)

Likewise, if you ask a bunch of hardware enthusiasts about quality and performance levels, don't expect anything on the cheap end. Half of the people here consider a 2070 barely on par. And would consider my i5-6500/1050TI only trash worthy while it's perfectly capable of playing and running at a level I'm perfectly fine with. Ask them for a budget PC build and they struggle to get below a $1000, when there's perfectly reasonable stuff to be built for $500-$600.

TL;DR: there's only a stigma when you're inside the cult.

* I didn't forget the pants
he's not wearing any

I would consider that hardware trash because in the context of my life, I have no use for it and don't know anybody who has no use for it. It's not good enough for me and I don't know who else to give it to that wants it. I don't hang out with people that look for used 1050 ti's and trying to hunt down someone to make use of it seems like it might be more trouble than it's worth it for me. That's pretty much trash. I know someone would want it but when you really have to go out of your way to find someone that wants it, it just sucks and I can't hold on to it forever simply because somebody out there has a use for it and I might run into them some day.

I don't think I'm one of those people that actually goes around calling it "trash" all day long to everybody though. I would say it sucks though.

[Cyber2B]

Originally posted by Omega:

A few reasons:

• Ultra-budget components generally are using poor quality components. Just spend $10 more and buy a better board which does use proper components.
  
• Lack of upgradability, buying a board with an entry-level chipset can often mean (Especially when buying AMD) that after 2-3 years the latest CPUs will no longer be supported on your board. A board with a better chipset will be $10 more and save you money in a few years when you upgrade.
  
• Shorter warranty. A Corsair VS PSU will have 3 years of warranty, a CXm which costs $10-20 more will have 5. Same story with motherboards.
  
• Blower cards are often loud, and some are even so bad that they will throttle which hurts performance.

These components often will run just fine, but you should avoid them just in case. Better to have that better quality and warranty for $10 more just in case something does go bad

Originally posted by Snow:

Originally posted by TenzoG™ - JD:

So many people tell others to not to by cheap components because cheap = unreliable is engraved in their head.

I built my cousins PC 4yrs ago(Q4 2016) with corsair valueselect DDR4 8gb (i5 6600, RX 470 blower edition, asrock h110m, EVGA 500w PSU system, 1tb HDD, HP Pavilion case off craigslist.

Hasn't broke down and runs solid. And note he plays 4-5 hours a day on AC, RDR2, Warframe, PubG, Warzone, etc

Sidenote I didn't update the bios in 2016 when i built it so thats another suprise lol

Since when i5-6600 and RX 470 is crap? Sounds like a fine gaming machine to me.
Maybe you're confusing low-end components with ultra-cheap garbage, which can be of bad quality.

Yeah I chose crappy parts because he had a budget of $500. Does the used hp case not say anything lol

[Cyber2B]

Originally posted by Autumn:

Originally posted by Washell:

If you ask a guy in a Ferrari hat and a Ferrari jacket and Ferrari shoes what's the best car, you already know what he's going to say. (*)

Likewise, if you ask a bunch of hardware enthusiasts about quality and performance levels, don't expect anything on the cheap end. Half of the people here consider a 2070 barely on par. And would consider my i5-6500/1050TI only trash worthy while it's perfectly capable of playing and running at a level I'm perfectly fine with. Ask them for a budget PC build and they struggle to get below a $1000, when there's perfectly reasonable stuff to be built for $500-$600.

TL;DR: there's only a stigma when you're inside the cult.

* I didn't forget the pants
he's not wearing any

Well, I've always had hardware on the low end of the spectrum, but I think on the 'overall scale.'
In terms of that, your i5-6400 and 1050Ti, and my i5-6600k and 970, are garbage, low end, soon to be useless for gaming (Read, new games.)
There's nothing wrong with keeping a realistic view of overall hardware, but I agree, some people here call some hardware just useless, and I don't quite agree with it sometimes.
For example, people do call the 970, and 1050Ti useless, myself included at times. But, realistically, they can do lots of games at medium settings, and E-sports quite well.
But, I've always found, in my personal experience, bigging something up leads to dissapointment, why overhype a low/mid range GPU up, so the person thinks they're getting something they're not.

TL;DR, it's better to call something a POS than it is ''Still brillant and will do whatever you need.''

I think reliability should also be a consideration. Not everyone shreds through hardware and drops $1000+ dollars each year for the latest tech. Really people just have to be careful of opinions because they aren't consistent to an individual needs, despite the performance they may recieve.

Like I wouldn't go up to someone and tell them that RTX 2060 is the bare minimum for fortnite and minecraft. A used RX 560 or anything cheap can get the job done easily for cheap.

But that's my personal opinion, i'm simply looking for cheap reliability.

[Cyber2B]

Originally posted by Omega:

A few reasons:

• Ultra-budget components generally are using poor quality components. Just spend $10 more and buy a better board which does use proper components.
  
• Lack of upgradability, buying a board with an entry-level chipset can often mean (Especially when buying AMD) that after 2-3 years the latest CPUs will no longer be supported on your board. A board with a better chipset will be $10 more and save you money in a few years when you upgrade.
  
• Shorter warranty. A Corsair VS PSU will have 3 years of warranty, a CXm which costs $10-20 more will have 5. Same story with motherboards.
  
• Blower cards are often loud, and some are even so bad that they will throttle which hurts performance.

These components often will run just fine, but you should avoid them just in case. Better to have that better quality and warranty for $10 more just in case something does go bad

Not everyone wants to upgrade. Like my friend is still using his i5 2500k from 2011, plans to use it till it dies then buy new components.

And from my experience even if you buy quality components some may be bad due to factory defects from either workers not assembling properly or machines malfunctioning.

But from my perspective, quality isn't always justified by how much it costs, its if the product is reliable and lasts for a long time before needing replacement or upgrades. Something that works for a long time is better then something that works temporarily.

[Carlsberg]

Nothing wrong with cheap, i have bought and used psu's that cost around $10 new and did ok with them and stuffed machines with whatever ram chips would work and any HDD i could find.

Reliability is what is important, if the machine is important to you and it needs to work then do not cheap out, otherwise the machine will fail when you need it most. If you need reliability then you need quality and quality, Costs.

[chiefputsilao]

Originally posted by Carlsberg:

Nothing wrong with cheap, i have bought and used psu's that cost around $10 new and did ok with them and stuffed machines with whatever ram chips would work and any HDD i could find.

Reliability is what is important, if the machine is important to you and it needs to work then do not cheap out, otherwise the machine will fail when you need it most. If you need reliability then you need quality and quality, Costs.

^ this pretty sums it all up.