Zarginnia 2020 年 4 月 4 日 上午 5:30
Budget CPU/GPU help, bottleneck?
MOBO GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0)
Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz
16GB Ram
650W PSU
ATI Radeon HD 7970 Windforce OC3(wich died 5 days ago)

I was thinking on upgrading my CPU to a intel xeon x5680 or intel xeon x5672 or intel xeon w5580 with Supermicro SNK-P0037P 1U heatsink / Supermicro SNK-P0038P 2U+ heatsink. And i have asked before on this forum (not this question tho) but what kind of GPU can i have with these without risking a bottleneck? I want something that is far better than 7970 3gb but nothing that is too expensive. Im not a computer pro. Would like atleast something with 6-8gb. Will only play in 1920x1080. No 2k or 4K or vr.
最後修改者:Zarginnia; 2020 年 4 月 4 日 上午 6:11
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Zarginnia 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 12:50 
How long Will 6gb Cards last? I had a 3gb card for 5 years or something until it died.
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 12:54 
引用自 Zarginnia
How long Will 6gb Cards last? I had a 3gb card for 5 years or something until it died.

4~6GB is the minimum or recommended for a lot of games, 8GB is generally ideal if you want to max out settings in every game

For 4K it helps to have 11GB cards like the 2080 Ti
最後修改者:r.linder; 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 12:54
nut 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 3:40 
引用自 Escorve
引用自 Ryze cs.money
he doesn't know what he is talking about, the 3600 will last a long time, about 8-10 years, you're good

Clearly you don't understand how competition speeds up progression per generation, because AMD Ryzen is pushing things along whereas Intel had no competition before then. Also guaranteed that I know more about Ryzen than almost anyone on this forum because I've poured over every ounce of information I could get my hands on and have used Ryzen CPUs from all three current generations on the desktop platform.

NOTHING from 2019~2020 will be very relevant in 2025, guaranteed. When AMD makes 8%+ IPC increases per generation and Intel is pushed to adding more cores and improving clocks and IPC as well, CPUs get more powerful per generation much faster.
CPUs were lasting 5+ years because Intel had ZERO competition because of how bad FX was. Now it's different story because of Ryzen. AMD just smashed Intel in the mobile sector with Ryzen 4000 mobile chips like the 4900HS.

As for gaming, there are already some games that can make use of 8 core CPUs, and it won't be long before that number increases, and threads are less valuable than actual cores, so it's not going to take more than 5 years for 6C/12T to fall out of the mainstream and into the budget CPU space. Technically it already has, because the 1600AF.

The only way in hell the 3600 will last that long is if AMD pulls an Intel by destroying them and leaving them in the dust for 10 years like Intel did to AMD, all the while making little to no progress just to profit little by little per generation. But it won't happen because Intel still holds strong.
this guy isnt asking for some 4k 300fps+ stuff, im guarinteeing a 3600 will last for 8-10 years. It isn't about the matter of relevancy, but how well it will do. And the 3600 will do fine till then
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 3:47 
引用自 Zarginnia
Ok im back again. Thinking on replace with ryzen 5 3600 and upgrade the card to a rx 5700 gigabyte gddr6 8gb gaming oc. How long Will the 3600 last in years of gaming? When Will that ”need” to be replaced? 3700x is not that much better What i have seen but still not sure and i guess 3700x is more future proofed.

Huh? It's miles ahead of what you have now.

But you will require to just do an entirely new build.


AM4 Motherboard that supports Ryzen 3xxx series out of the box. Such as MSI B450 Tomahawk Max.

AM4 Cpu obviously.

DDR4 RAM. 2x8gb is the minimum to go with.

A case with a more modern layout to ensure better airflow. Old cases still using 80/92mm fans won't cut it.

A modern PSU. Preferably a gold certified modular PSU. At least 550-650 watts

Then whatever GPU, namely something also modern, like RTX 2070 Super or RX 5700 XT
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 7:41 
引用自 Ryze cs.money
this guy isnt asking for some 4k 300fps+ stuff
I wasn't under the assumption he was looking at 4K, because, you know, he's looking at a card suited for 1080p 144Hz / 1440p 75Hz that won't even get 300 FPS at 1080p without dropping every setting in games like CS:GO.
引用自 Ryze cs.money
im guarinteeing a 3600 will last for 8-10 years.
You can't guarantee anything, you're just claiming that it will last 8+ years, which is a statement you can't actually prove. There are games already out that use more than 6 cores, understand? Performance tanks when the core count isn't enough, older quad-thread i5s have a rough time in modern games, often struggling to maintain a good high frame rate that people are generally looking for, and that's the whole freaking point of buying anything better than a 1660/S/Ti. He isn't buying a 5700XT for 60 FPS at 1080p when it's a card that can do far better than that, that would be a complete waste.
If 60 FPS is the goal, then nobody needs more than budget hardware, because 60 FPS being "standard" is a thing of the past. It has been for years now.
引用自 Ryze cs.money
It isn't about the matter of relevancy, but how well it will do. And the 3600 will do fine till then
How well it does is an indicative of its relevancy... In 5 years, that's FIVE GENERATIONS of Ryzen and Intel CPUs, and AMD so far has made a minimum of 8 to 10 percent increases per generation, and Intel is pushed into doing the same thing, and that pushes the industry standard further along. If Ryzen didn't happen, Intel would STILL be making 4C/8T i7s, 4C/4T i5s, and 2C/4T i3s, but because the core counts have been pushed, everything older has been rendered irrelevant and hardly able to play heavily multi-threaded games, in some cases with bad enough optimisation that can stop you from even getting 60 FPS. Beyond core count, IPC will be massively better, and there's no telling how that will affect the progression of game development, but it won't be good for mainstream and budget CPUs that exist right now, that is guaranteed.
Ryzen 1000 is already often the minimum requirement for newer demanding titles, and they're not particularly great anymore, nor were they at launch compared to Skylake. (They were only about as good as Devil's Canyon, i.e. Ryzen 5 about as good as 4690K, 7 about as good as the 4790K)
It's not a difficult concept to understand. There are already badly optimised games that can run like absolute garbage with better CPUs than the 3600, regardless of graphics. 7 Days To Die is a huge example of that.
I know users of 4C/4T CPUs like the 6600K that struggle to game on modern games in general because of bottlenecking due to lower-than-standard IPC and lacking cores. Core progression for CPUs and games will definitely mean 6C/12T will be phased out in far less than 8 years. I have a system with an i5-6500 that can't game for ♥♥♥♥ even with a 1070 Ti.
最後修改者:r.linder; 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 7:50
Zarginnia 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 9:55 
Im still confused. 5600 xt not that good anymore even tho you said that you kinda liked it (escorve)

I do want something better like a 5700 xt but is that one so much better exept for the 8gb instead of 6gb.?
As i stated earlier i will only play in 1920x1080. No VR, 4K or 2K. Im just happy that i can play and when the time comes to tweak the settings i dont mind, as long as i can enjoy gaming.
最後修改者:Zarginnia; 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 9:59
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 9:58 
引用自 Zarginnia
Im still confused. 5600 xt not that good anymore even tho you said that you kinda liked it (escorve)

I do want something better like a 5700 xt but is that one do mig better exept for the 8gb instead of 6gb.?

5600 XT is good, but only as long as 6GB is enough, and that goes with any 6GB GPU.

The VRAM amount has no effect on performance as long as you have enough and most games at 1080p use ~4GB, though some can use 6+ at max settings. The 5600XT is still very good and enough, but it literally depends on what the user is looking for, so only you can really answer if you need 6 or 8. But if you're using a 1080p 60Hz monitor without framesync tech, there's no reason to go higher than the 5600XT hands down, because it's just wasting a good card when you have to limit your FPS or suffer screen tearing.

In raw performance, the 5700XT is only around 20~25% better than the 5600XT, and the 5700 is in the middle of that. (5700XT BIOS can be flashed onto a standard 5700 but I don't recommend that novices do that if there's no dual or tri BIOS switch on the card as there is a risk involved. A flashed 5700 would perform more like a 5700XT.)
最後修改者:r.linder; 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:03
Zarginnia 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:05 
I was looking on rx 5700 xt 8gb gddr6 gigabyte gaming oc. Its around 4700kr that is 460$ or something. While the 5600 card is 3599kr thats around 350$.
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:30 
引用自 Zarginnia
I was looking on rx 5700 xt 8gb gddr6 gigabyte gaming oc. Its around 4700kr that is 460$ or something. While the 5600 card is 3599kr thats around 350$.

Well at least the price difference is also around 20%.
Zarginnia 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:38 
引用自 Escorve
引用自 Zarginnia
I was looking on rx 5700 xt 8gb gddr6 gigabyte gaming oc. Its around 4700kr that is 460$ or something. While the 5600 card is 3599kr thats around 350$.

Well at least the price difference is also around 20%.
Yea. Thats Why i was looking on 5600 xt since its cheaper but not that much worse exept for 6gb wanted 8 but theres no 5600 with that. Almost that i want to try find a new build that is better for same price but then i need to remove my order. Waiting on the PSU before they can send it to me but i can still change stuff before that.
最後修改者:Zarginnia; 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:39
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:40 
引用自 Zarginnia
引用自 Escorve

Well at least the price difference is also around 20%.
Yea. Thats Why i was looking on 5600 xt since its cheaper but not that much worse exept for 6gb wanted 8 but theres no 5600 with that. Almost that i want to try find a new build that is better for same price but then i need to remove my order. Waiting on the PSU before they can send it to me but i can still change stuff before that.

Could always just do the 5700 non XT. It's also 8GB.
CS.MONEYAngelKing_12 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 8:32 
引用自 Zarginnia
MOBO GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0)
Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz
16GB Ram
650W PSU
ATI Radeon HD 7970 Windforce OC3(wich died 5 days ago)

I was thinking on upgrading my CPU to a intel xeon x5680 or intel xeon x5672 or intel xeon w5580 with Supermicro SNK-P0037P 1U heatsink / Supermicro SNK-P0038P 2U+ heatsink. And i have asked before on this forum (not this question tho) but what kind of GPU can i have with these without risking a bottleneck? I want something that is far better than 7970 3gb but nothing that is too expensive. Im not a computer pro. Would like atleast something with 6-8gb. Will only play in 1920x1080. No 2k or 4K or vr.
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 11:45 
I'd look at 3700X and 2080 Super for doing 1440p, 144+ hz so that you can have something that will actually last. Amd cards are good bang for buck when new, for generally ok performance in many games, but they also don't hold on to whatever strong points it has, for very long.

If planning to do 120-240 hz on a 1080p panel, then a decent amd gpu offering might be more suitable.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 11:47
r.linder 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 11:49 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
I'd look at 3700X and 2080 Super for doing 1440p, 144+ hz so that you can have something that will actually last. Amd cards are good bang for buck when new, for generally ok performance in many games, but they also don't hold on to whatever strong points it has, for very long.

If planning to do 120-240 hz on a 1080p panel, then a decent amd gpu offering might be more suitable.

Regarding AMD "not holding on," that literally describes how NVIDIA GPUs are. Older AMD cards are still kicking and running better than they were compared to NVIDIA's counterparts from the time.

Navi performance has also increased since launch. AMD cards don't get worse with age, they get better.
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 11:52 
Right, that's why even 980 Ti still does very good and was a steal when they got cheap after gtx 1080 came out.

Most amd gpus only good for around 1080p stuff, or entry level 1440p, not much else.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2020 年 4 月 25 日 上午 11:53
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