Budget CPU/GPU help, bottleneck?

[Zarginnia]

MOBO GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0)
Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz
16GB Ram
650W PSU
ATI Radeon HD 7970 Windforce OC3(wich died 5 days ago)

I was thinking on upgrading my CPU to a intel xeon x5680 or intel xeon x5672 or intel xeon w5580 with Supermicro SNK-P0037P 1U heatsink / Supermicro SNK-P0038P 2U+ heatsink. And i have asked before on this forum (not this question tho) but what kind of GPU can i have with these without risking a bottleneck? I want something that is far better than 7970 3gb but nothing that is too expensive. Im not a computer pro. Would like atleast something with 6-8gb. Will only play in 1920x1080. No 2k or 4K or vr.

[Zarginnia]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por Zarginnia:

okok, well i have talked to a few companies and asked if they could offer me a better deal with better components each time i talked to them, and i will post a list of different builds when i have the full list so somone can help me with that and then i actually thought to go through that "winner" and pick parts. maybe bad idea or not but as i have said earlier im not a computer parts pro.

They're never going to give you a good deal because it's a business, they have to make money.
They almost always cheap out on things that people don't think twice about, such as the PSU, storage (interface, type, quality of the drive), and cooling.

PSU is the worst thing cheap out on because if the power supply blows, it can literally send lethal amounts of voltage to your components in that instant, which can potentially damage or completely kill a component.
A lot of vendors will also cheap out on M.2 SSDs, since they seem to think that nobody knows that there's multiple storage interfaces. A lot of the time it's probably only SATA3 or PCIe Gen2x2 or 2x4 bandwidth, when the standard people are after is 3x4.
Vendors almost always use stock cooling on cheaper systems as well, or sometimes garbage proprietary coolers.

This is why people give spec lists here, because it's a better deal to build it yourself, since a lot of the time you can spend the same amount and get better specs. Even if you have to spend a little bit more, it's better than cheaping out on things you shouldn't because you'll be much happier with a 1000$ quality system than an overpriced 900$ pile of ♥♥♥♥ that a vendor would offer.

So, do you know parts for 800$ that is good and will last 5-6 years? With games coming out or is 800$ too little? As i have said before aswell my budget is very tight so im more than above when i say 800$.

Pretty please? :)

[Supafly]

Publicado originalmente por Zarginnia:

So, do you know parts for 800$ that is good and will last 5-6 years? With games coming out or is 800$ too little? As i have said before aswell my budget is very tight so im more than above when i say 800$.

Pretty please? :)

Better option is to ask for a spec for that budget. Any system can last 6+ years. Question is will it play the latest release at max settings and the answer would be no.

Personally I'd recommend a system with a decent CPU now and a reasonable GPU. Reason for that is that it's much easier to switch out the GPU in the future when you need more power. Going for a better GPU now would mean in a few years, 4, 5,6, 7 whatever you're restricted by the CPU and that could mean you need a new CPU, Motherboard and maybe RAM too.

And as Escorve said don't be cheaping out on the PSU. Not all about efficency it's about reliability. Plus a better and safer PSU will also come with a longer warranty.

[r.linder]

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They're never going to give you a good deal because it's a business, they have to make money.
They almost always cheap out on things that people don't think twice about, such as the PSU, storage (interface, type, quality of the drive), and cooling.

PSU is the worst thing cheap out on because if the power supply blows, it can literally send lethal amounts of voltage to your components in that instant, which can potentially damage or completely kill a component.
A lot of vendors will also cheap out on M.2 SSDs, since they seem to think that nobody knows that there's multiple storage interfaces. A lot of the time it's probably only SATA3 or PCIe Gen2x2 or 2x4 bandwidth, when the standard people are after is 3x4.
Vendors almost always use stock cooling on cheaper systems as well, or sometimes garbage proprietary coolers.

This is why people give spec lists here, because it's a better deal to build it yourself, since a lot of the time you can spend the same amount and get better specs. Even if you have to spend a little bit more, it's better than cheaping out on things you shouldn't because you'll be much happier with a 1000$ quality system than an overpriced 900$ pile of ♥♥♥♥ that a vendor would offer.

So, do you know parts for 800$ that is good and will last 5-6 years? With games coming out or is 800$ too little? As i have said before aswell my budget is very tight so im more than above when i say 800$.

Pretty please? :)

If that's USD then it's real easy.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tGjsk

You can change the 2600 for a 1600 AF, which cuts 30$ because it's 85$, but it performs the same as a 2600. You can get cheaper Windows 10 keys from third party sources, or just use it for free without activating and use Wallpaper Engine to customise the desktop screen.

The 1600 AF, for some reason, is a 12nm Zen+ refresh of the 1600. It's literally 1% behind the 2600 but for cheaper.

[Zarginnia]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

If that's USD then it's real easy.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tGjsk

You can change the 2600 for a 1600 AF, which cuts 30$ because it's 85$, but it performs the same as a 2600. You can get cheaper Windows 10 keys from third party sources, or just use it for free without activating and use Wallpaper Engine to customise the desktop screen.

The 1600 AF, for some reason, is a 12nm Zen+ refresh of the 1600. It's literally 1% behind the 2600 but for cheaper.

Well its swedish money so its around 8000kr.
Intel or Ryzen? PSU 500 or 600? DDR4 2666 or higher? What kind of mobo ?
Edit: didnt see the link first.

[r.linder]

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If that's USD then it's real easy.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tGjsk

You can change the 2600 for a 1600 AF, which cuts 30$ because it's 85$, but it performs the same as a 2600. You can get cheaper Windows 10 keys from third party sources, or just use it for free without activating and use Wallpaper Engine to customise the desktop screen.

The 1600 AF, for some reason, is a 12nm Zen+ refresh of the 1600. It's literally 1% behind the 2600 but for cheaper.

Intel or Ryzen? PSU 500 or 600? DDR4 2666 or higher? What kind of mobo ?

Ryzen 5 1600 (AF), DDR4 3000 MHz minimum even for Intel, and AMD B450 chipsets like ASRock B450M Pro 4 or the cheaper one in the part list above
Total price above is well within budget

[Zarginnia]

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Intel or Ryzen? PSU 500 or 600? DDR4 2666 or higher? What kind of mobo ?

Ryzen 5 1600 (AF), DDR4 3000 MHz minimum even for Intel, and AMD B450 chipsets like ASRock B450M Pro 4 or the cheaper one in the part list above
Total price above is well within budget

How good is this computer?

[r.linder]

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Ryzen 5 1600 (AF), DDR4 3000 MHz minimum even for Intel, and AMD B450 chipsets like ASRock B450M Pro 4 or the cheaper one in the part list above
Total price above is well within budget

How good is this computer?

Better than the ♥♥♥♥ pre-builts those companies will offer you. They'd give you a worse motherboard, worse CPU, worse PSU, etc.

You would be able to upgrade the 1600 AF to any Ryzen 3000 CPU down the line. The 1600 AF itself though is a 6-core 12-thread part, it'll last years for gaming and upwards of a decade minimum for general use.
Hypothetically, lets say in 5 years you found a used Ryzen 7 3700X for cheap, that'd be a nice upgrade. (8-core, 16-thread CPU with better gaming performance)

[Zarginnia]

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How good is this computer?

Better than the ♥♥♥♥ pre-builts those companies will offer you. They'd give you a worse motherboard, worse CPU, worse PSU, etc.

You would be able to upgrade the 1600 AF to any Ryzen 3000 CPU down the line. The 1600 AF itself though is a 6-core 12-thread part, it'll last years for gaming and upwards of a decade minimum for general use.

Hypothetically, lets say in 5 years you found a used Ryzen 7 3700X for cheap, that'd be a nice upgrade.

Okok. So this is only good a year or how do you mean?

[r.linder]

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Better than the ♥♥♥♥ pre-builts those companies will offer you. They'd give you a worse motherboard, worse CPU, worse PSU, etc.

You would be able to upgrade the 1600 AF to any Ryzen 3000 CPU down the line. The 1600 AF itself though is a 6-core 12-thread part, it'll last years for gaming and upwards of a decade minimum for general use.

Hypothetically, lets say in 5 years you found a used Ryzen 7 3700X for cheap, that'd be a nice upgrade.

Okok. So this is only good a year or how do you mean?

No, I mean if you find a used Ryzen 7 or 9 CPU down the line, you'd be able to just take out the 1600 AF and put the better CPU in. Ryzen has great backwards compatibility. The 1600 AF by itself would last 6 years before games push it, but for general/light use it'll last closer to 10 years.

[Zarginnia]

The link you gave is a Ryzen 5 2600 not 1600F. 3000 much better than 2600 and 1600F? Is it worth to put the extra money on that? I could stretch to 800 but that would be the absolute maximum.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Zarginnia:

The link you gave is a Ryzen 5 2600 not 1600F. 3000 much better than 2600 and 1600F? Is it worth to put the extra money on that? I could stretch to 800 but that would be the absolute maximum.

1600 AF (aka 1600 12nm) isn't on PCPP. 2600 is the closest thing to it. Ryzen 3000 also would likely require a BIOS update from the vendor. So really if the 1600 AF isn't available, just get the 2600 and get the best GPU your budget will fit instead.

[Sithtiger]

I think there is plenty of evidence already, but I'd get a Ryzen 5 2600 for $120 @Amazon right now!
https://go.shr.lc/3c5g4tW

Newegg is out of stock. It's far far better at gaming than a Xeon X5680 would be. Check at Game Debate https://go.shr.lc/2Xln3KV and Passmark https://go.shr.lc/3e9AK5R

If you want to stick to the same CPU you had then I'd recommend an RTX 2060 for $320 at Newegg. https://go.shr.lc/2XoUdcC
If that's too much, then a Radeon 5600xt for $280 https://go.shr.lc/34nTGcj

I'm not including brand names because it doesn't really matter too much, just look for one that has no less than 4 stars/eggs. For the GeForce RTX 2060, Ray Tracing won't matter too much because 2060 still can't produce great FPS at 60 FPS yet and so far there are almost no games that feature RTX yet. I'm sure that will change, but for now, it's not worth it.

If you do upgrade your CPU, I'd get a Ryzen CPU in a heartbeat now. Even I'm switching back to AMD now. I just upgraded in the 4th qtr. of 2018 to a Core i5 9600k@4.6GHz. I'm getting either a Ryzen 9 3900x or (hopefully) a 4900x with a Zen 3 mobo. I'm not sure yet as little official info has been released yet for the 4th gen Ryzen. I hope Intel releases something better at the end of the year because their new CPU's don't compete and completion breeds superior products and keeps prices down. If AMD dominates as Intel did for so long, then they will raise their prices just like Intel did and why not if there's no one to compete with.

I can tell you though if you want to run current games with at least medium detail, it's gonna cost around $800 to $1000 for something decent if you build it yourself.

[Zarginnia]

Publicado originalmente por Sithtiger:

I think there is plenty of evidence already, but I'd get a Ryzen 5 2600 for $120 @Amazon right now!
https://go.shr.lc/3c5g4tW

Newegg is out of stock. It's far far better at gaming than a Xeon X5680 would be. Check at Game Debate https://go.shr.lc/2Xln3KV and Passmark https://go.shr.lc/3e9AK5R

If you want to stick to the same CPU you had then I'd recommend an RTX 2060 for $320 at Newegg. https://go.shr.lc/2XoUdcC
If that's too much, then a Radeon 5600xt for $280 https://go.shr.lc/34nTGcj

I'm not including brand names because it doesn't really matter too much, just look for one that has no less than 4 stars/eggs. For the GeForce RTX 2060, Ray Tracing won't matter too much because 2060 still can't produce great FPS at 60 FPS yet and so far there are almost no games that feature RTX yet. I'm sure that will change, but for now, it's not worth it.

If you do upgrade your CPU, I'd get a Ryzen CPU in a heartbeat now. Even I'm switching back to AMD now. I just upgraded in the 4th qtr. of 2018 to a Core i5 9600k@4.6GHz. I'm getting either a Ryzen 9 3900x or (hopefully) a 4900x with a Zen 3 mobo. I'm not sure yet as little official info has been released yet for the 4th gen Ryzen. I hope Intel releases something better at the end of the year because their new CPU's don't compete and completion breeds superior products and keeps prices down. If AMD dominates as Intel did for so long, then they will raise their prices just like Intel did and why not if there's no one to compete with.

I can tell you though if you want to run current games with at least medium detail, it's gonna cost around $800 to $1000 for something decent if you build it yourself.

Oh so i cant run anything on max graphics with the one escorves link? Im actually trying out that pcpp website but im running into compattbility issues. Still a new computer is better than what i have now i guess.

[Zarginnia]

This cost 421,27$ thats 4199kr
Upgradepackage

Amd Ryzen 5 2600X
Cooler master hyper tx3 evo cooler
Asus rog strix b450-f gaming, socket am4
Corsair vengance lpx ddr4 16gb 2666mhz (2x8gb)

Good or bad?

Then i have some parts that i have picked myself based on Escorves link from PCPP.

Amd Ryzen 5 2600
Asus rog strix b450-e gaming, socket am4
Corsair vengance lpx ddr4 3200mhz (2x8gb)
Gigabyte geforce gtx 1660 super gaming oc
Corsair tx550m 550w psu

This one is for 8456kr and that is 848,35$

If i order from PCPP the cost will go up since it needs to be shipped to sweden because of our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ customs and if i buy all the parts here it still kinda expensive.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Zarginnia:

This cost 421,27$ thats 4199kr
Upgradepackage

Amd Ryzen 5 2600X
Cooler master hyper tx3 evo cooler
Asus rog strix b450-f gaming, socket am4
Corsair vengance lpx ddr4 16gb 2666mhz (2x8gb)

Good or bad?

Then i have some parts that i have picked myself based on Escorves link from PCPP.

Amd Ryzen 5 2600
Asus rog strix b450-e gaming, socket am4
Corsair vengance lpx ddr4 3200mhz (2x8gb)
Gigabyte geforce gtx 1660 super gaming oc
Corsair tx550m 550w psu

This one is for 8456kr and that is 848,35$

If i order from PCPP the cost will go up since it needs to be shipped to sweden because of our ♥♥♥♥♥♥ customs and if i buy all the parts here it still kinda expensive.

The second build is better because faster RAM. CPUs need 3000 MHz minimum for gaming