Intel Core I7 9700k or I9?

[Tendeza]

Im building a new pc and I'm not sure for which one I wanna go. Is the extra money worth for the I9, or should I go for the I7.

The specs of my pc:
RTX 2080
16gb RAM
Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard

[Shroud's ♥♥♥♥]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Escorve:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jadon:

Thats a Ryzen 5 3600 not a Ryzen 9 3900x
Lmao!

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7go4Jehac_I&

The first video was Ryzen 5 3600 vs i7

The second was Ryzen 5 3600x Vs Ryzen 9 3900x

How are those comparable? Other than that the R9 3900x is using less CPU cause the extra cores?

For the same money your getting more cores.
It's still a good value.

Though I guess if this guy wanted to, he could get the R5 and shill a little more on a gpu.
Sure...
If that's the point your trying to make.

Me? Im all about those cores...

[Autumn_]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

problem with AMD is that if you're primarily a gamer, then Intel cards give far better performance.

Not true.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

i9-10 series is what i'd recomment. but it needs X299 architecture

That's a chipset.

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jadon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Escorve:

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7go4Jehac_I&

The first video was Ryzen 5 3600 vs i7

The second was Ryzen 5 3600x Vs Ryzen 9 3900x

How are those comparable? Other than that the R9 3900x is using less CPU cause the extra cores?

For the same money your getting more cores.
It's still a good value.

The R5 3600 and i7-9700K are the most common CPUs bought for gaming rigs in their price range. There's no real competition when you're thinking logically, which is that there's little reason to buy Intel for such a small difference that you'll only see at 1080p with a 2080 Ti.

The 3600 vs 3900X was to show the difference in gaming performance between a cheap Ryzen 5 CPU and an expensive Ryzen 9. (3900X often matches the 9700K)

EDIT: My point is to disprove every Intel fanboy that makes ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ claims that Intel is "far better" than AMD, when that's far from the truth, as they often trade blows nowadays, but AMD is usually cheaper where it really matters.
Also AMD is winning hard right now on the mobile platform.

[Shroud's ♥♥♥♥]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Escorve:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jadon:

The first video was Ryzen 5 3600 vs i7

The second was Ryzen 5 3600x Vs Ryzen 9 3900x

How are those comparable? Other than that the R9 3900x is using less CPU cause the extra cores?

For the same money your getting more cores.
It's still a good value.

The R5 3600 and i7-9700K are the most common CPUs bought for gaming rigs in their price range. There's no real competition when you're thinking logically, which is that there's little reason to buy Intel for such a small difference that you'll only see at 1080p with a 2080 Ti.

The 3600 vs 3900X was to show the difference in gaming performance between a cheap Ryzen 5 CPU and an expensive Ryzen 9. (3900X often matches the 9700K)

EDIT: My point is to disprove every Intel fanboy that makes ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ claims that Intel is "far better" than AMD, when that's far from the truth, as they often trade blows nowadays, but AMD is usually cheaper where it really matters.
Also AMD is winning hard right now on the mobile platform.

Agreed.

[Lord Flashheart]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

problem with AMD is that if you're primarily a gamer, then Intel cards give far better performance.

More true to say slightly better in gaming performance.
Then there are upgrade path issues.
Also price/performance although intel has been desperately cutting the prices.
With ryzen more money can then be diverted to a better GPU.
Oh and the ever ongoing issues with newly discovered hardware bugs.
Also trust with intel products/announcements is very broken.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

or you just go x299 and get comet lake. i9-10900x-10980XE, all for future proof.

I sold a buddy an x299-A Prime to help pay for my x570 AMD build. We both run 12c/24t CPU's, me an R9, him an i9. Im on stock air, he is overclocked, delidded, liquid metaled and liquid cooled. He has a better GPU and takes me in games due to that, but in *every single* CPU bound test we have run, I match or beat him. Havent lost to him yet. Hes working on his OC, but if he manages to best me I will just work on my memory timings and likely pull back, or get an AiO or better air cooler for better boost speeds stock.

And if you think x299 is "future proof" you better believe its only b/c AMD has pushed Intel into the corner and forced that out of them. Intel would just as soon have you buy a new motherboard on a new chipset, and will go back to that as soon as they can.

AM4 on the other hand... You have at aleast one more generation gaunteed (Ryzen 4000 desktop) but AMD has also openly stated they have little intention if any to change the socket till DDR5 or another major jump in PCIe. So oyu might luck into another generation too, might...

[mimizukari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh xSOSxHawkens:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

or you just go x299 and get comet lake. i9-10900x-10980XE, all for future proof.

I sold a buddy an x299-A Prime to help pay for my x570 AMD build. We both run 12c/24t CPU's, me an R9, him an i9. Im on stock air, he is overclocked, delidded, liquid metaled and liquid cooled. He has a better GPU and takes me in games due to that, but in *every single* CPU bound test we have run, I match or beat him. Havent lost to him yet. Hes working on his OC, but if he manages to best me I will just work on my memory timings and likely pull back, or get an AiO or better air cooler for better boost speeds stock.

And if you think x299 is "future proof" you better believe its only b/c AMD has pushed Intel into the corner and forced that out of them. Intel would just as soon have you buy a new motherboard on a new chipset, and will go back to that as soon as they can.

AM4 on the other hand... You have at aleast one more generation gaunteed (Ryzen 4000 desktop) but AMD has also openly stated they have little intention if any to change the socket till DDR5 or another major jump in PCIe. So oyu might luck into another generation too, might...

CPU bound tests are for things like encrypting/decrypting/rendering/ETC, no real performance gauge to actual games where you'll find you will always get 10%+ better performance on an Intel Processor for GAMING, not for other stuff, but for GAMING.

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

Diposting pertama kali oleh xSOSxHawkens:

I sold a buddy an x299-A Prime to help pay for my x570 AMD build. We both run 12c/24t CPU's, me an R9, him an i9. Im on stock air, he is overclocked, delidded, liquid metaled and liquid cooled. He has a better GPU and takes me in games due to that, but in *every single* CPU bound test we have run, I match or beat him. Havent lost to him yet. Hes working on his OC, but if he manages to best me I will just work on my memory timings and likely pull back, or get an AiO or better air cooler for better boost speeds stock.

And if you think x299 is "future proof" you better believe its only b/c AMD has pushed Intel into the corner and forced that out of them. Intel would just as soon have you buy a new motherboard on a new chipset, and will go back to that as soon as they can.

AM4 on the other hand... You have at aleast one more generation gaunteed (Ryzen 4000 desktop) but AMD has also openly stated they have little intention if any to change the socket till DDR5 or another major jump in PCIe. So oyu might luck into another generation too, might...

CPU bound tests are for things like encrypting/decrypting/rendering/ETC, no real performance gauge to actual games where you'll find you will always get 10%+ better performance on an Intel Processor for GAMING, not for other stuff, but for GAMING.

What you don't realise is 10% really only amounts to 10~30 FPS at 1080p with a 2080 Ti. Realistically, the difference is smaller because most people aren't actually using a 2080 Ti.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Escorve:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

CPU bound tests are for things like encrypting/decrypting/rendering/ETC, no real performance gauge to actual games where you'll find you will always get 10%+ better performance on an Intel Processor for GAMING, not for other stuff, but for GAMING.

What you don't realise is 10% really only amounts to 10~30 FPS at 1080p with a 2080 Ti. Realistically, the difference is smaller because most people aren't actually using a 2080 Ti.

exactly, assuming 60FPS 10% is a 6fps difference. If I have to choose between getting 65-75FPS in a game but rendering/working at 1.0x speed *or* I can get 55-65fps but 1.3- 2.0x the render speed, I will gladly take the speed.

Even if I dont get raw speed I get raw multitasking. I can game in 4K, stream at 1080P, record at 4K high bit rate, have a back ground CPU transcode in handbrake (or two) running on raw dump footage *and* have 100 tabs open in a browser. And have no issues. Period.

I will gladly drop 10% in games to gain 30-100% or more in other abilities.

[hawkeye]

Short answer - i9 if you have the funds. Maybe not worth it now, but will be over time.

But this is what you should consider -

10th gen intels are strongly rumoured to be released 30 April.
faster than 9th gen
i7-10 will be faster than i9-9 at gaming
new mobo but no news as to whether z390 will be compatible
maybe 40 pcie lanes as in 10th gen laptops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHGvcS5h_o

tomshardware recommends buying the next level cpu rather than overclocking and the cpu with the highest frequency and current generation.

But do not pair a strong cpu with a weak gpu.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-buying-guide,5643.html

a 2080 is going to bottleneck both the i7 and i9 at all resolutions;
so more or less you should be buying a cpu for nvidia's 3000 series;
large speed improvements are expected with the 3000's, plus DisplayPort 2 higher bandwidth;
nviidia are supposedly waiting for amd to release navi, so who knows when 3000's will arrive

as the 2080ti and 2080 bottleneck cpus, the fps performance difference bwtween amd cpus and intel cpus isn't large at the moment
but there is a significant gap in maximum performance, whether it will be ever realisable is the question
amd is also due to release new cpus, when who knows
these could be a lot better due to technical design improvements e.g. if infinity fabric and chiplets are phased out

In summary, it's a tricky situation.
Long term, a "better than 2080ti" gpu and i9-10900k with ddr4-3600 or better would be one setup.
Or 2080 and i7-9 or i7-10.

[mimizukari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh hawkeye:

Short answer - i9 if you have the funds. Maybe not worth it now, but will be over time.

But this is what you should consider -

10th gen intels are strongly rumoured to be released 30 April.
faster than 9th gen
i7-10 will be faster than i9-9 at gaming
new mobo but no news as to whether z390 will be compatible
maybe 40 pcie lanes as in 10th gen laptops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHGvcS5h_o

tomshardware recommends buying the next level cpu rather than overclocking and the cpu with the highest frequency and current generation.

But do not pair a strong cpu with a weak gpu.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-buying-guide,5643.html

a 2080 is going to bottleneck both the i7 and i9 at all resolutions;
so more or less you should be buying a cpu for nvidia's 3000 series;
large speed improvements are expected with the 3000's, plus DisplayPort 2 higher bandwidth;
nviidia are supposedly waiting for amd to release navi, so who knows when 3000's will arrive

as the 2080ti and 2080 bottleneck cpus, the fps performance difference bwtween amd cpus and intel cpus isn't large at the moment
but there is a significant gap in maximum performance, whether it will be ever realisable is the question
amd is also due to release new cpus, when who knows
these could be a lot better due to technical design improvements e.g. if infinity fabric and chiplets are phased out

In summary, it's a tricky situation.
Long term, a "better than 2080ti" gpu and i9-10900k with ddr4-3600 or better would be one setup.
Or 2080 and i7-9 or i7-10.

sorry? but 2080 ti doesn't bottleneck CPUs... neither does TITAN RTX... TITAN RTX is the bottleneck in my system with a HEDT processor still.

[hawkeye]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

sorry? but 2080 ti doesn't bottleneck CPUs... neither does TITAN RTX... TITAN RTX is the bottleneck in my system with a HEDT processor still.

Well then tell gamers nexus and digital foundry that they are FOS.

[Napoleonic S]

If you have the budget it's time to let go 6 cores cpu, also skip 8 thread CPU too.

8c/16t should be the minimum gaming pc build in 2020 for anyone that can afford it.

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kurumi Tokisaki:

Diposting pertama kali oleh hawkeye:

Short answer - i9 if you have the funds. Maybe not worth it now, but will be over time.

But this is what you should consider -

10th gen intels are strongly rumoured to be released 30 April.
faster than 9th gen
i7-10 will be faster than i9-9 at gaming
new mobo but no news as to whether z390 will be compatible
maybe 40 pcie lanes as in 10th gen laptops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHGvcS5h_o

tomshardware recommends buying the next level cpu rather than overclocking and the cpu with the highest frequency and current generation.

But do not pair a strong cpu with a weak gpu.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-buying-guide,5643.html

a 2080 is going to bottleneck both the i7 and i9 at all resolutions;
so more or less you should be buying a cpu for nvidia's 3000 series;
large speed improvements are expected with the 3000's, plus DisplayPort 2 higher bandwidth;
nviidia are supposedly waiting for amd to release navi, so who knows when 3000's will arrive

as the 2080ti and 2080 bottleneck cpus, the fps performance difference bwtween amd cpus and intel cpus isn't large at the moment
but there is a significant gap in maximum performance, whether it will be ever realisable is the question
amd is also due to release new cpus, when who knows
these could be a lot better due to technical design improvements e.g. if infinity fabric and chiplets are phased out

In summary, it's a tricky situation.
Long term, a "better than 2080ti" gpu and i9-10900k with ddr4-3600 or better would be one setup.
Or 2080 and i7-9 or i7-10.

sorry? but 2080 ti doesn't bottleneck CPUs... neither does TITAN RTX... TITAN RTX is the bottleneck in my system with a HEDT processor still.

Yes it does... Tell that to major tech sources with years more experience.

[mimizukari]

my own tests tell me plenty, GPUs aren't ready for 10+ core processors yet with high clock speeds/overclocked.