Xbox Series X vs equivalent PC

[Chrispy]

I got bored and decided to go on PC part picker and come up with this:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PRgsjp

The parts might not be fully compatible as it was all thrown together in about 5 minutes. I just built this out of curiosity. I tried to pick the cheapest options available for the parts included although maybe a few costs could be cut here and there. I didn't include a controller as I understand some people wouldn't consider that a necessity. That being said, the overall cost right now comes to almost £1600!

Can somebody please explain to my why someone would build this for gaming when a console just as powerful will be available for about 1/3rd the price by the end of year? I can't see the price of PC components dropping that much within 9 months. I am well aware of the advantages PC gaming offers (I play primarily on PC) but does that really justify all the extra money? It might also be worth mentioning that 5 years from now the PC would probably struggle to run games to the same standard as the Xbox.

Rather than upgrade my PC it might just be cheaper to by a console lol. This has been bugging me for a while now so I'd be interested to hear what you guys think.

[Snow]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย emoticorpse:

Assuming you're referring to the hardware aspect of consoles, what is the difference between "an actual decent experience" and whatever other kind of experience there is?

No framerate drops, for starters.

[emoticorpse]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snow:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย emoticorpse:

Assuming you're referring to the hardware aspect of consoles, what is the difference between "an actual decent experience" and whatever other kind of experience there is?

No framerate drops, for starters.

Oh ok. Is that common in consoles?

[Snow]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย emoticorpse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snow:

No framerate drops, for starters.

Oh ok. Is that common in consoles?

Extremely common on PS4 and XO. Not that much on Nintendo consoles tho.

[nullable]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Napoleonic S:

The cpu would be a lower clocked ryzen 3700x and the GPU is stronger than 2080 super on paper... That's all confirmed.

Yes, well I did address this. On paper it sounds amazing. "Oh, man this console is going to destroy gaming PC's at a fraction of the price", amazing. But that's always been the claim every generation, and fantastic claims require fantastic evidence and for me that evidence is going to be real world results from objective reviewers.

Because you say it's confirmed... what's confirmed exactly? The marketing BS from MS and Sony? Or do you have units, and games and hard data on performance results? The Series X is playing a RDR2 at 4K 60FPS is it? Methinks not.

This literally happens with every new console. And whether people don't remember the last batch of marketing and claims that didn't quite meet expectations, or just really really believe it's different this time around because reasons, or both. I'm just not seeing what's special this time where any claims shouldn't be taken with a few grains of salt and some skepticism.

The only thing I believe will be likely is the new Sony and MS consoles will finally make 1080p/60FPS possible on consoles like the marketing from 2012 and 2013 for the PS4 and Xbox One sold people on.

[Wampum Biskit]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

The new Xbox specs look really good on paper, but time will tell if that translates into actual performance or not. Assuming it does perform as well as it seems on paper, I wonder what pricing is going to be. $1000 for a console is going to be a shock to a lot of people. Even if they can get that price down to $800 that's still a giant price tag.

it won't be 800 they wouldn't sell many of them , 500 maybe 600 i'd say , that's pretty much it , alot of parents are not going to spend 800 on a console for the kids.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brockenstein:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Napoleonic S:

The cpu would be a lower clocked ryzen 3700x and the GPU is stronger than 2080 super on paper... That's all confirmed.

Yes, well I did address this. On paper it sounds amazing. "Oh, man this console is going to destroy gaming PC's at a fraction of the price", amazing. But that's always been the claim every generation, and fantastic claims require fantastic evidence and for me that evidence is going to be real world results from objective reviewers.

well you know the 360 was the first 3-core CPU , before even intel came out with the duo core , it's just that the CPU market tech has accelerated to the point where neither MS or Sony can put a high core count CPU in their respective systems without causing the prices to be too much for a console.

[Snow]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wampum Biskit:

well you know the 360 was the first 3-core CPU , before even intel came out with the duo core

They didn't exactly "come out" with dual core, it's not their idea. And what comes to IBM - they been releasing multi-core CPUs even before original XBOX came not, not even X360.
I'm not saying Xenon wasn't good, it was amazing and indeed way ahead of mid-range desktop PCs of the time.

[Chrispy]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brockenstein:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carlsberg:

Not so sure, released stats for new xbox are pretty impressive. 8 core 3.8ghz and a gpu that supports R/T, and supposedly 60fps in 4k. An fx 8320 will not do that.

This always happens, console makers publish very good PR numbers to highlight strengths and don't talk about weaknesses. It's only once the hardware us in hand is it clear that a $500 console not a $1500 gaming PC.

So we're not talking high end Ryzen for the CPU. Just more power then the previous consoles, but still as cheap as they can manage.

And we're not talking 2080 Super level graphics performance. A 2060 supports RTX too. And there's not a technical barrier to producing even slower hardware with some ray tracing support. You just wouldn't use full scene ray tracing.

And we're not talking $200 NVMe, much cheaper NVMe's with more modest performance are available. We'd be looking at something along the lines of an intel 600p or crucual p1 and even that might be a bit much. The ciuld get a custom NVMe hobbled even more, still more performance than SATA but cheaper to produce.

That's what I meant, cutting corners. Either console will be great for the price point, but not exactly 1:1 with a decent highend machine no matter how glowing the marketing makes it sound.

Some games will run 60fps in 4k. The caveat with that bit of marketing is they didn't promise all games would run 60fps at 4k, or that all games would run at 4k, or even most would. But that's marketing 101, say something open ended and let consumers imaginations run wild.

After all I bet we could look at original ps4/xbox one marketing and how much you bet 1080p/60fps was a bullet point somewhere...

For starters, the CPU is pretty much a ryzen 7 3700x, same number of cores, same architecture and the xbox has a slightly higher clock speed.

Just because the 2060 supports ray tracing, that doesn't mean it is comparable to the xbox. Ray tracing performance on the 2000 series cards isn't very good anyway. I hope RDNA 2 will be better.

The ssd in the consoles will be much faster than a crucual p1 which offers 2gb read speed max while the ps5 offers 8-9 with compression and 5.5 for the xbox. The xbox also has quick resume which I don't think we'll see on PC.

As far as I know, many next gen console games will allow you to tweak the graphics settings, just like on PC. If you want to game at 4K 120fps, you probably can.

Ignoring all the speculation though, on paper, the consoles look great. I based the PC build on what we know on paper. As for how good the consoles will be in practice, we will just have to wait and see.

[Ad Hominem]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wampum Biskit:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

The new Xbox specs look really good on paper, but time will tell if that translates into actual performance or not. Assuming it does perform as well as it seems on paper, I wonder what pricing is going to be. $1000 for a console is going to be a shock to a lot of people. Even if they can get that price down to $800 that's still a giant price tag.

it won't be 800 they wouldn't sell many of them , 500 maybe 600 i'd say , that's pretty much it , alot of parents are not going to spend 800 on a console for the kids.

That's what I'm saying though, assuming the specs on paper translate into good real life performance that's an incredible amount of computational horsepower for a very very low price. That would basically be competing with 1000+ dollar PCs. Again, assuming the specs on paper actually translate into real life as they appear.

[Autumn_]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย emoticorpse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Autumn:

I do hope they're as good as they seem, on paper, not marketing hype.
Not only would it improve the markets for everyone, but it would provide console users an actual decent experience.

Assuming you're referring to the hardware aspect of consoles, what is the difference between "an actual decent experience" and whatever other kind of experience there is?

Sorry for the late reply, I opened it to reply, but forgot.

So, well, consoles used to run sub-60 FPS in a lot of games, others would have nasty graphics settings, or just run like ♥♥♥♥ in general.
Now they're getting better hardware playing at (actual) 1080p 60 / 120 FPS is going to be nice.
Also, you'd have much more stable framerates/frametimes because the hardware (at least on Xbox) is going to be locked to the same clockspeeds. It's also going to be pretty beefy.

So the experience would improve pretty significantly, and I'm happy for console users, and a little bit jealous if I'm honest.
I wouldn't want anyones experience to be gimped because of the platform they use, so I enjoy seeing the performance of the consoles, even if they perform x2+ times better than my PC.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย emoticorpse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snow:

No framerate drops, for starters.

Oh ok. Is that common in consoles?

Quite common, all over the place in some titles.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brockenstein:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Napoleonic S:

The cpu would be a lower clocked ryzen 3700x and the GPU is stronger than 2080 super on paper... That's all confirmed.

Yes, well I did address this. On paper it sounds amazing. "Oh, man this console is going to destroy gaming PC's at a fraction of the price", amazing. But that's always been the claim every generation, and fantastic claims require fantastic evidence and for me that evidence is going to be real world results from objective reviewers.

Because you say it's confirmed... what's confirmed exactly? The marketing BS from MS and Sony? Or do you have units, and games and hard data on performance results? The Series X is playing a RDR2 at 4K 60FPS is it? Methinks not.

This literally happens with every new console. And whether people don't remember the last batch of marketing and claims that didn't quite meet expectations, or just really really believe it's different this time around because reasons, or both. I'm just not seeing what's special this time where any claims shouldn't be taken with a few grains of salt and some skepticism.

The only thing I believe will be likely is the new Sony and MS consoles will finally make 1080p/60FPS possible on consoles like the marketing from 2012 and 2013 for the PS4 and Xbox One sold people on.

Can't speak for the other guy, but I've tried to cut a lot of the marketing out of my comments, leaving only the CONFIRMED, non theoretical performance in it.
From there you can make an educated guess on the performance.
Notice how I haven't said anything about how it SHOULD perform, just the hardware that it is.

[Wampum Biskit]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wampum Biskit:

it won't be 800 they wouldn't sell many of them , 500 maybe 600 i'd say , that's pretty much it , alot of parents are not going to spend 800 on a console for the kids.

That's what I'm saying though, assuming the specs on paper translate into good real life performance that's an incredible amount of computational horsepower for a very very low price. That would basically be competing with 1000+ dollar PCs. Again, assuming the specs on paper actually translate into real life as they appear.

it's not uncommon for them to sell it at a price where they either lose money or break even , their sales come from the video games and the peripherals.

but yeah , the thing i like about consoles is though is that your game will always run ,unlike the PC market where there's such a huge array of different hardware and combinations that it's always possible for a certain config not being able to run a game.

sure games have been crashing on xbox's too , but i've never had a game that wouldn't run at all , i can't say the same for my PC's over the years.

[Ad Hominem]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wampum Biskit:

but yeah , the thing i like about consoles is though is that your game will always run ,unlike the PC market where there's such a huge array of different hardware and combinations that it's always possible for a certain config not being able to run a game.

sure games have been crashing on xbox's too , but i've never had a game that wouldn't run at all , i can't say the same for my PC's over the years.

Not only will the games always run when they're released for that console but they've been optimized (presumably) because there is only really one hardware configuration, vs PC where there is a multitude of different hardware combinations that any given user could have.

I like to ♥♥♥♥ on consoles just as much as the next PC enthusiast but they do have their benefits. It depends on what you value I guess. I think a lot of PC players either want to have the superior performance or they enjoy the process of building, tinkering, testing and tweaking their hardware.

I still have a hard time understanding how they plan on selling a $1000+ PC for something in the $500-600 range. I imagine the lowball price would be somewhere around the $800 mark. That's my prediction anyway. Also I think I remember hearing that there were 2 different models of the new generation and that the specs going around are for the high end one and there will be a lower end, cheaper version. Which would make sense if they have an offering for 500-600 and then a high end one for 800-1000.

That would also mean that developers will need to have the flexibility in game to adapt to different hardware configs automatically or let the user decide what kind of performance and quality they want.

[Snow]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

Not only will the games always run when they're released for that console but they've been optimized (presumably) because there is only really one hardware configuration, vs PC where there is a multitude of different hardware combinations that any given user could have.

Every optimisation applied to a console game works exactly the same way if the game is ported to PC. What comes to different hardware - that's why PC games have settings, and console games have almost everything pre-defined by developers.

[Ad Hominem]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snow:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

Not only will the games always run when they're released for that console but they've been optimized (presumably) because there is only really one hardware configuration, vs PC where there is a multitude of different hardware combinations that any given user could have.

Every optimisation applied to a console game works exactly the same way if the game is ported to PC. What comes to different hardware - that's why PC games have settings, and console games have almost everything pre-defined by developers.

You still see the splash screens and stuff on PC games that are like "runs best on Radeon" or whatever, that has a bit of a performance boost on that brand because the hardware company has worked with the developer to make sure it is optimized for a particular architecture.

[Snow]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ad Hominem:

You still see the splash screens and stuff on PC games that are like "runs best on Radeon" or whatever, that has a bit of a performance boost on that brand because the hardware company has worked with the developer to make sure it is optimized for a particular architecture.

Doesn't prevent you from turning off options some cards do better. Also, all the "Way it's meant to be played" games are running on AMD consoles with acceptable performance.
Generally, AMD are not knowing for sabotaging competitor's performance, unlike NVidia. Hence Radeon Settings have tessellation mode settings to fight NVidia's crap.

[Ad Hominem]

Yea the games still run acceptably fine as long as team green hasn't kneecapped the game on team red hardware, and the PC user can tweak settings to make up for most things. But my point was just that consoles don't have that kind of competition between hardware manufacturers - that spill into the actual development and optimization of games the way PC has. Even though the difference can be overcome that disparity is still there on PC.