Is it bad if I put 3200 Mhz RAM in a CPU that supports 2667 Mhz?

[Zairker]

Hello,
first, sorry for the potential bad english,
I'm planning on building a PC soon enough and I started to pick the components.

I chose the Ryzen 5 1600 CPU, and looking at AMD's website I noticed that the system memory specification was at 2667 Mhz. Is it bad if I put 3200Mhz RAM? It seems to be cheaper and I wondered if it was OK, y'know, I don't want to screw up my first PC build.

Thanks in advance!

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引用自 Escorve：

99% of the time, any module will work. Don't listen to the one person who says they know best because they built 10 Ryzen systems, and listen to the mass amounts of people who tell you that QVL doesn't account for thousands of modules that will still work. The vast majority of motherboards will not have issues with the vast majority of modules; it's the really cheap stuff that one would need to worry about compatibility.

So I assume you're going to support them then. If they buy something and it doesn't work then you will be there on their friends list and help them figure out why. Because you're telling them "HEY IT WORKS JUST DO IT". So if it doesn't work and doesn't turn on for them then it's all on you and you had better be prepared to help them resolve it. If you aren't able to physically be there and help them in person resolve their problems with their build then it's much better to have them get something that is guaranteed 100% to actually work the first time. It just takes a few minutes to cross-reference the list and pick something on it that's guaranteed compatible. The price is about the same for most ddr4 kits for 3200 Mhz.

EDIT: Typos.

[r.linder]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Escorve：

99% of the time, any module will work. Don't listen to the one person who says they know best because they built 10 Ryzen systems, and listen to the mass amounts of people who tell you that QVL doesn't account for thousands of modules that will still work. The vast majority of motherboards will not have issues with the vast majority of modules; it's the really cheap stuff that one would need to worry about compatibility.

So I assume you're going to support them then. If they buy something and it doesn't work then you will be there on their friends list and help them figure out why. Because you're telling them "HEY IT WORKS JUST DO IT". So if it doesn't work and doesn't turn on for them then it's all on you and you had better be prepared to help them resolve it.

You're going off a really low margin because your experience is not much higher than anyone else's. You can't say that a great amount of boards will have issues with RAM outside of QVL lists when you built less than a dozen systems. Literally every mainstream board like MSI's B450 Tomahawk should work fine with any module from G.Skill, Corsair, Crucial, etc.

You can really only claim what you're claiming once that number is closer to 50 systems, not 10.

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引用自 Escorve：

You're going off a really low margin because your experience is not much higher than anyone else's. You can't say that a great amount of boards will have issues with RAM outside of QVL lists when you built less than a dozen systems. Literally every mainstream board like MSI's B450 Tomahawk should work fine with any module from G.Skill, Corsair, Crucial, etc.

I'm a consultant and I custom build systems for people locally in the DFW Texas region. I've hand built about 200 ryzen systems last year and so far 10 this year. I have a large sample size. After dealing with ryzen's ram problems and compatibility issues, even with 400 series chipsets, I've learned to just buy something on the QVL list and have no headaches. It saves time and saves hassle for everyone involved and it's super easy. There's no reason to not do it. The list is there. Everything on the list will work 100% with zero issues. Just use it and be happy and enjoy a stress free computer build. Having to delay a build several days to wait for ram to be returned and waiting for working ram to ship out is just stupid and annoying and makes everyone mad. If you can remove that possibility from happening by just spending a couple minutes reading then it's better to do so.

[r.linder]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Escorve：

You're going off a really low margin because your experience is not much higher than anyone else's. You can't say that a great amount of boards will have issues with RAM outside of QVL lists when you built less than a dozen systems. Literally every mainstream board like MSI's B450 Tomahawk should work fine with any module from G.Skill, Corsair, Crucial, etc.

I'm a consultant and I custom build systems for people locally in the DFW Texas region. I've hand built about 200 ryzen systems last year and so far 10 this year. I have a large sample size. After dealing with ryzen's ram problems and compatibility issues, even with 400 series chipsets, I've learned to just buy something on the QVL list and have no headaches. It saves time and saves hassle for everyone involved and it's super easy. There's no reason to not do it. The list is there. Everything on the list will work 100% with zero issues. Just use it and be happy and enjoy a stress free computer build. Having to delay a build several days to wait for ram to be returned and waiting for working ram to ship out is just stupid and annoying and makes everyone mad. If you can remove that possibility from happening by just spending a couple minutes reading then it's better to do so.

QVL is mostly B-die and doesn't account for a lot of kits that will work regardless, and you can literally search the internet with the serial number and see if anyone had issues with Ryzen with that kit. It's better to do research than to spend more on CL14 and/or B-die because you're costing people more money for RAM that won't actually need, as the only benefit of b-die over other ICs now is overclocking compatibility.

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引用自 Escorve：

QVL is mostly B-die and doesn't account for a lot of kits that will work regardless, and you can literally search the internet with the serial number and see if anyone had issues with Ryzen with that kit. It's better to do research than to spend more on CL14 and/or B-die because you're costing people more money for RAM that won't actually need, as the only benefit of b-die over other ICs now is overclocking compatibility.

In my experience the difference between ram on QVL and "Random kit found on newegg" is only +/- $15 - $25 at most. It's not a deal breaker or anything to worry about. You continue being you and shoot by the hip and stick anything you want in any build you want. It's a different story when you're building a computer for a customer and you have to support them over the next 12 months. It reduces support call-in's and headaches to ensure compatibility from the start. Also people are much happier (and much more likely to recommend you to someone else or their friends) if you build a computer for them that never crashes from the start. Or in this case, dealing with someone over the internet you may never hear from again.

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引用自 Mightvolf：

Hello,
noticed that the system memory specification was at 2667 Mhz. Is it bad if I put 3200Mhz RAM?

I think its a minimum spec? Just put any speed in. your 3200 might run at 2667 by default. if it does just change to 3200 in the bios without an issue

[Zairker]

引用自 Torch：

引用自 Mightvolf：

Hello,
noticed that the system memory specification was at 2667 Mhz. Is it bad if I put 3200Mhz RAM?

I think its a minimum spec? Just put any speed in. your 3200 might run at 2667 by default. if it does just change to 3200 in the bios without an issue

I think it's a minimum spec, on the processor's page they say "System Memory Specification : 2667 MHz".

And btw you two, chill, I just wanted an opinion and then decide, I don't want people to be like:
"I have experience, do what I say, just follow my instructions"
or
"No, I have experience too, do what I say and don't listen to him"

Escorve built a Ryzen PC without checking the RAM compatibility list and it still works, so things could work anyways, but to be sure I checked the compatibility list, and I'm not going to OC anything.

I started this thread because I just wanted to know if a 3200 MHz RAM would work on a 2667 MHz processor because I'm a noob in PC building because it's my first build.

[r.linder]

引用自 Mightvolf：

引用自 Torch：

I think its a minimum spec? Just put any speed in. your 3200 might run at 2667 by default. if it does just change to 3200 in the bios without an issue

I think it's a minimum spec, on the processor's page they say "System Memory Specification : 2667 MHz".

And btw you two, chill, I just wanted an opinion and then decide, I don't want people to be like:
"I have experience, do what I say, just follow my instructions"
or
"No, I have experience too, do what I say and don't listen to him"

Escorve built a Ryzen PC without checking the RAM compatibility list and it still works, so things could work anyways, but to be sure I checked the compatibility list, and I'm not going to OC anything.

I started this thread because I just wanted to know if a 3200 MHz RAM would work on a 2667 MHz processor because I'm a noob in PC building because it's my first build.

Nobody checks the QVL because it's a marketing ploy. At least 90% of the kits on QVL lists for Ryzen are Samsung B-die and/or CL14, which are way more expensive in general than their non-B-die and slower CL15 or 16 variants. QVL does not guarantee that anything outside of it won't work, and they typically do it because they know that some people are too chicken to think about cost, as the cost between Hynix RAM and Samsung RAM can mean the difference between being able to afford a better component elsewhere when you're on a budget.

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引用自 Escorve：

Nobody checks the QVL because it's a marketing ploy. At least 90% of the kits on QVL lists for Ryzen are Samsung B-die and/or CL14, which are way more expensive in general than their non-B-die and slower CL15 or 16 variants. QVL does not guarantee that anything outside of it won't work, and they typically do it because they know that some people are too chicken to think about cost, as the cost between Hynix RAM and Samsung RAM can mean the difference between being able to afford a better component elsewhere when you're on a budget.

Right... A manufacturer of a device providing us with a list of things that are known and guranteed to be 100% compatibile and work 100% with zero issues out of the box is a marketing ploy. Where as buying anything -NOT- on the QVL is literally "shooting from the hip" and you take a chance that the ram you buy may not work at all and may not even let the computer turn on at XXXX speed if you buy off the QVL list. If you're okay with that risk and chance then that's up to you. But if it's someone else on the internet thousands of miles away that you can't go see and help when their computer doesn't turn on... then that's a different story.

And the reason for the QVL list is Ryzen actually won't run at above-3200-Mhz with anything other than Samsung B-Die ram.

[r.linder]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Escorve：

Nobody checks the QVL because it's a marketing ploy. At least 90% of the kits on QVL lists for Ryzen are Samsung B-die and/or CL14, which are way more expensive in general than their non-B-die and slower CL15 or 16 variants. QVL does not guarantee that anything outside of it won't work, and they typically do it because they know that some people are too chicken to think about cost, as the cost between Hynix RAM and Samsung RAM can mean the difference between being able to afford a better component elsewhere when you're on a budget.

Right... A manufacturer of a device providing us with a list of things that are known and guranteed to be 100% compatibile and work 100% with zero issues out of the box is a marketing ploy. Where as buying anything -NOT- on the QVL is literally "shooting from the hip" and you take a chance that the ram you buy may not work at all and may not even let the computer turn on at XXXX speed if you buy off the QVL list. If you're okay with that risk and chance then that's up to you. But if it's someone else on the internet thousands of miles away that you can't go see and help when their computer doesn't turn on... then that's a different story.

And the reason for the QVL list is Ryzen actually won't run at above-3200-Mhz with anything other than Samsung B-Die ram.

Not true, because AGESA 1.0.0.6 supports DDR4-3600 and most 2nd gen boards have that version when you update the BIOS. For example, Gigabyte's F8 BIOS for my board enables support up to 3600, and I can run 3466 completely stable on XMP voltage and timings with my Hynix-M RAM. You'll get ♥♥♥♥ RAM support on a ♥♥♥♥ AM4 board with a ♥♥♥♥ BIOS version.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6445830 Look at my RAM speed.

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引用自 Escorve：

Not true, because AGESA 1.0.0.6 supports DDR4-3600 and most 2nd gen boards have that version when you update the BIOS. For example, Gigabyte's F8 BIOS for my board enables support up to 3600, and I can run 3466 completely stable on XMP voltage and timings with my Hynix-M RAM. You'll get ♥♥♥♥ RAM support on a ♥♥♥♥ AM4 board with a ♥♥♥♥ BIOS version.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6445830 Look at my RAM speed.

We've already been over this in the other thread. Either you really can't read or you enjoy listening to me repeat myself, one of the two.

Just because you have been lucky with your one AMD system does -NOT- mean that -ALL- AMD systems can or will all do that. Some will not even turn on at all if you are buying and using ram outside of the QVL list and if you try to set the ram to 3400 Mhz or 3600 Mhz, or anything above 3200 Mhz. Even some won't turn on at all if it's Non-QVL ram @ 3200 Mhz. AMD has taken great strides and improved their memory compatibility a lot but it is -NOT- a 100% guaranteed thing to work with all ram kits in existence easily (at or above 3200 Mhz), not yet. It is completely careless and irresponsible to ever suggest anyone on the internet build a new AMD system and use non-QVL-Listed ram for 3200 Mhz or higher when we know for a fact that there is a risk it may not even turn on and start up for them.

[Zairker]

Come on guys... this thread is closed, if you want to discuss go somewhere else...

[Talby]

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Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7z2tfH/by_merchant/

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[r.linder]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Escorve：

Not true, because AGESA 1.0.0.6 supports DDR4-3600 and most 2nd gen boards have that version when you update the BIOS. For example, Gigabyte's F8 BIOS for my board enables support up to 3600, and I can run 3466 completely stable on XMP voltage and timings with my Hynix-M RAM. You'll get ♥♥♥♥ RAM support on a ♥♥♥♥ AM4 board with a ♥♥♥♥ BIOS version.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6445830 Look at my RAM speed.

We've already been over this in the other thread. Either you really can't read or you enjoy listening to me repeat myself, one of the two.

Just because you have been lucky with your one AMD system does -NOT- mean that -ALL- AMD systems can or will all do that. Some will not even turn on at all if you are buying and using ram outside of the QVL list and if you try to set the ram to 3400 Mhz or 3600 Mhz, or anything above 3200 Mhz. Even some won't turn on at all if it's Non-QVL ram @ 3200 Mhz. AMD has taken great strides and improved their memory compatibility a lot but it is -NOT- a 100% guaranteed thing to work with all ram kits in existence easily (at or above 3200 Mhz), not yet. It is completely careless and irresponsible to ever suggest anyone on the internet build a new AMD system and use non-QVL-Listed ram for 3200 Mhz or higher when we know for a fact that there is a risk it may not even turn on and start up for them.

Literally ♥♥♥♥ tons of people who have used popular boards like MSI B450 Tomahawk have very rarely reported issues with RAM outside of QVL, and everyone BUT you says not to worry because it's not a problem anymore unless you buy a cheap board or from last generation.

Do what you will, but more people will agree with me than you because QVL literally doesn't mean jack. They can't test every single kit available so there's going to be tons they didn't cover that will work fine, and the only kits on QVL for Ryzen are B-die and/or faster CAS latency, and the extra 25$+ can be the difference between affording a better GPU or CPU.

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引用自 Escorve：

Literally ♥♥♥♥ tons of people who have used popular boards like MSI B450 Tomahawk have very rarely reported issues with RAM outside of QVL, and everyone BUT you says not to worry because it's not a problem anymore unless you buy a cheap board or from last generation.

Do what you will, but more people will agree with me than you because QVL literally doesn't mean jack. They can't test every single kit available so there's going to be tons they didn't cover that will work fine, and the only kits on QVL for Ryzen are B-die and/or faster CAS latency, and the extra 25$+ can be the difference between affording a better GPU or CPU.

Some how you don't seem to understand, I'll try one more time. Yes, there is a "some ram kits that will work fine" and "Probably will work" and "most boards will run well with high ram clocks" are all great and well and good if you're an experienced computer builder and you know how to key in timings manually and you're familiar with overclocking.

But we can not be 100% guaranteed for sure that every ram kit rated for 3400~3600 mhz will always work in every possible ryzen motherboard every time. When you're dealing with people either new to computer hardware, or haven't built a computer since 2006 and are upgrading from AMD FX platforms and have no idea what the new systems are like.. or people in general that just aren't that advanced with computers, ryzen, and memory.. it's not a good idea to just go all gung-ho and tell them "Yeah! Buy that! It'll work fine!".

What if they happen to be unlucky and didn't get a kit that worked with their board? What if they put it in and load XMP and it won't POST and their shiny new system they just spent $1500 on won't run at the maximum ram speed they paid their hard-earned money for. They don't know why it won't work. They don't know how to fix it either. They're just sad and depressed that they spent all that money and it doesn't work. And then they have to go waste time on the internet forums trying to get help to figure out how to make their shiny new system work correctly. But they didn't get compatible ram and it's only after days of back and forth on internet forums that they finally figure out what the problem is. Then they have to waste more days on sending it back for a return and waiting days for returns to process and then waiting more days buying other ram and waiting on it to ship back.

Why would you ever want anyone to possibly be in that situation if it is completely avoidable? Why not just pick something that we know 100% for sure will work the first time without a doubt and just load it and go and everyone has happy happy joy time.

I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why you seem to think it's okay to tell strangers on the internet to buy something when you know it could potentially go badly. The only possible thing I can think of is you literally just don't care about anyone else. Maybe you actually get joy out of other people's misfortune.