CentR 2019 年 4 月 6 日 下午 11:06
Buying ram with different Mhz
Buying ram with different Mhz
Is it ok? Will it affect my performance

My current : 8Gb Kingston HyperX 2666 Mhz
I'm adding another 4 GB of same brand but with 2400 Mhz
Is it safe?
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Jinn-Gon Qui 2019 年 4 月 6 日 下午 11:09 
If I'm right, combining two different RAM speeds will revert and use the lowest speed (in your case being the 2400 MHz, it will not be at 2666 MHz). And combining 4 GB RAM with 8 GB RAM I think will also cause some issues.
r.linder 2019 年 4 月 6 日 下午 11:25 
If I'm right, combining two different RAM speeds will revert and use the lowest speed (in your case being the 2400 MHz, it will not be at 2666 MHz). And combining 4 GB RAM with 8 GB RAM I think will also cause some issues.

The way it works is this:

1. DRAM frequency will run at the speed of the slowest module. If you have 1 module running at 3000, and another running at 2400, all RAM modules will run at 2400.

2. Timings will be set to the highest latencies of all installed modules. For instance, if that 3000 MHz module is CL16 while the 2400 MHz module is CL14, all RAM will run at CL16.

3. There are very few issues that can arise by running non-kitted RAM of varying capacities, speeds, and timings. The only case where it really does matter is with Ryzen as there is a much higher dependency on RAM, and AM4 has been more prone to memory issues.
Jinn-Gon Qui 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 12:44 
引用自 Escorve
If I'm right, combining two different RAM speeds will revert and use the lowest speed (in your case being the 2400 MHz, it will not be at 2666 MHz). And combining 4 GB RAM with 8 GB RAM I think will also cause some issues.

The way it works is this:

1. DRAM frequency will run at the speed of the slowest module. If you have 1 module running at 3000, and another running at 2400, all RAM modules will run at 2400.

2. Timings will be set to the highest latencies of all installed modules. For instance, if that 3000 MHz module is CL16 while the 2400 MHz module is CL14, all RAM will run at CL16.

3. There are very few issues that can arise by running non-kitted RAM of varying capacities, speeds, and timings. The only case where it really does matter is with Ryzen as there is a much higher dependency on RAM, and AM4 has been more prone to memory issues.

Thanks for the elaboration!

So, for the most part I was right?
Rumpelcrutchskin 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 1:16 
If you can it`s best to use the same what you already have to avoid possible conflicts. It can work and often will but sometimes it just doesnt, there is no 100% quarantee.
Randox 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 4:01 
Escorve has you covered on timing.

You also want to consult your motherboard manual to see which slot to add ram to. There will almost certainly be 4 slots, and they'll be color coded (two in one color, two in another). The ram will work regardless of slots used, but will work best if you use the correct ones.

Most motherboards use a dual channel system. In this system, two slots are assigned to each of two channels that can read and write to memory independently at the same time. When running two ram modules, you want one installed on each channel to take advantage of this.

In practical applications, x GB of RAM in dual channel is about 15-25% faster than the same x GB as single channel (what you have now is 8GB of single channel). This will help offset the performance lost by adding a slower module to the mix as per Escorve.

Because your modules are different capacities, what you'll have is 8GB total mapped as the faster two channel memory, plus the extra 4GB from the bigger module mapped as single channel.

The motherboard manual will specify which slots to use to take advantage of this. The channels might be labeled on the board as well. If you absolutely cannot find this information, I think slots 1 and 3 would be the most common.
tacoshy 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 5:20 
引用自 Randox
In practical applications, x GB of RAM in dual channel is about 15-25% faster than the same x GB as single channel (what you have now is 8GB of single channel). /quote]

dual channel is not about 15-25% faster its more like 90-95%. Dependign on the tasks you doing.

引用自 Randox
This will help offset the performance lost by adding a slower module to the mix as per Escorve..

depending on the tasks and the CPU he is using, there might no performance loss at all by usign slower RAM. Intel for example pretty much doesnt care for higher frequency. Neither does AMD by itself. Just that the Infinity Fabric Bus clocks automatically the same as the DRAM frequency is giving the performance boost in tasks wher emultiple cores need to communicate with each other.



引用自 Randox
Because your modules are different capacities, what you'll have is 8GB total mapped as the faster two channel memory, plus the extra 4GB from the bigger module mapped as single channel.

yes and no. All will work as flex mode. Its not splitted in single or dual channel mode. Its way mroe complicated as that.

引用自 Randox
The motherboard manual will specify which slots to use to take advantage of this. The channels might be labeled on the board as well. If you absolutely cannot find this information, I think slots 1 and 3 would be the most common.

Most of the times you can see it by the color od the DIMM slots. The DIMM sltos with the same color have to be used. Its either 1+2 or 2+4. problematic as the DIMM slot numbering is as such:

4-2-3-1 not 1-2-3-4

引用自 Escorve
3. There are very few issues that can arise by running non-kitted RAM of varying capacities, speeds, and timings. The only case where it really does matter is with Ryzen as there is a much higher dependency on RAM, and AM4 has been more prone to memory issues.

Same problems can arise with kitted RAM aswell. They are not tested to work together as many believe. They just from the evry same charge of production.
But the troubles are really non existing anymore. Even on ryzen the problems have been fixed with bios updates long ago. Besides of that, it wasnt a problem with the RAM tiself but with XMP incompatible with AMP and the translators like Asus DOCP not translating it correctly.
r.linder 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 8:40 
引用自 Escorve

The way it works is this:

1. DRAM frequency will run at the speed of the slowest module. If you have 1 module running at 3000, and another running at 2400, all RAM modules will run at 2400.

2. Timings will be set to the highest latencies of all installed modules. For instance, if that 3000 MHz module is CL16 while the 2400 MHz module is CL14, all RAM will run at CL16.

3. There are very few issues that can arise by running non-kitted RAM of varying capacities, speeds, and timings. The only case where it really does matter is with Ryzen as there is a much higher dependency on RAM, and AM4 has been more prone to memory issues.

Thanks for the elaboration!

So, for the most part I was right?

Yeah, you were right on the DRAM frequency and potentially right with mixing when it comes to Ryzen.

引用自 tacoshy
引用自 Randox
In practical applications, x GB of RAM in dual channel is about 15-25% faster than the same x GB as single channel (what you have now is 8GB of single channel). /quote]

dual channel is not about 15-25% faster its more like 90-95%. Dependign on the tasks you doing.



depending on the tasks and the CPU he is using, there might no performance loss at all by usign slower RAM. Intel for example pretty much doesnt care for higher frequency. Neither does AMD by itself. Just that the Infinity Fabric Bus clocks automatically the same as the DRAM frequency is giving the performance boost in tasks wher emultiple cores need to communicate with each other.





yes and no. All will work as flex mode. Its not splitted in single or dual channel mode. Its way mroe complicated as that.



Most of the times you can see it by the color od the DIMM slots. The DIMM sltos with the same color have to be used. Its either 1+2 or 2+4. problematic as the DIMM slot numbering is as such:

4-2-3-1 not 1-2-3-4



Same problems can arise with kitted RAM aswell. They are not tested to work together as many believe. They just from the evry same charge of production.
But the troubles are really non existing anymore. Even on ryzen the problems have been fixed with bios updates long ago. Besides of that, it wasnt a problem with the RAM tiself but with XMP incompatible with AMP and the translators like Asus DOCP not translating it correctly.

if you carefully read what I wrote, I said that very few problems arise with kitted RAM. I didn't say that all kitted RAM would run perfectly, I said specifically that problems are much less likely to occur.
Also, tell that to Aquafawks because he seems to think that you have to use QVL RAM unless you want a 90% risk of failing to POST, even now after AGESA has been updated to fix those issues in 99% of AM4 motherboards.
最后由 rotNdude 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 7 日 上午 8:46
_I_ 2019 年 4 月 7 日 下午 2:24 
qvl list is pointless, there are so many boards and ram kits the mfg cannot test them all

ram can always run slower than its rated (lower freq, higher timings)
you can often trade off freq for timings as long as speed/cl is about the same

when mixing ram its safest to use highest common speed with lowest common timings
tacoshy 2019 年 4 月 7 日 下午 5:28 
引用自 _I_
when mixing ram its safest to use highest common speed with lowest common timings

You proberly mean the other way around. Despite the fact that it is automatically done by the IMC
_I_ 2019 年 4 月 7 日 下午 7:36 
highest comon speed, 2400 + 3200 = 2400 (1200mhz)
lowest common timings, cl 14 + cl 18+ = cl 18

after booting, look at cpuz spd tab to see the xmp profiles and find one thats closer to both dimms/sets and use that
最后由 _I_ 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 7 日 下午 7:37
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