Intel CPU Socket Hierarchy Lifespan?

[sawdust3d]

So generally speaking, how long as an Intel socket hierarchy lasted as "new" in the past?

More specifically, if you who pay more attention wouldn't mind speculating, do you think the 9900k will be the likely hierarchial pinacle for the 1151 socket/ or do we get another couple years of CpuS ON THE Z3xx platform?

[Monk]

It's probably down to AMD actually, ryzen forced Intel into waking up, they have pushed their current architecture pretty much to the limit I'd say, all they can do is eat into their HEDT chips and make consumer versions.

If ryzen 2 can really compete with Intel on clocks, as it seems they might get close, on top of looking to overtake them on ipc (ryzen pretty much matches them clock for clock already, they just run slower) while offering far more cores for the same price, I'm unsure how Intel will or can react.

I mean, they have 16 core chips, the 9960x, but, it costs 1500 bucks, and for consumers, looks to be matched by the next ryzen chip, like for 400-500 ish, just without the HEDT features of extra pcie lanes, avx 512 and quad channel memory support etc, which, most consumers have no need for outside of professional applications.

So given that Intel already said they are a good year away from 10nm, let alone 7nm (to their share holders!), I don't know how much further they can push the existing socket.

With that said, 5GHz is closing on theoretical max clocks until we see a big break through (likely with graphene replacing silicon) , atleast under normal cooling methods, so it's not like a 9900k will suddenly be put of date any time soon, unless you insist on being on the cutting edge.

Edit.
So, I don't know if they can squeeze much more onto the existing socket before they need to update if for no other reason than to fit more cores into the available area.

So, yeah, I guess we'll see what Intel can or will try to do come computex in June when amd us likely to announce ryzen 2 proper.

[sawdust3d]

Right on, thanx man.
It really would be sweet to see AMD pull out something Big to level the playing field and force some competitive progress.

[iceman1980]

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

It's probably down to AMD actually, ryzen forced Intel into waking up, they have pushed their current architecture pretty much to the limit I'd say, all they can do is eat into their HEDT chips and make consumer versions.

If ryzen 2 can really compete with Intel on clocks, as it seems they might get close, on top of looking to overtake them on ipc (ryzen pretty much matches them clock for clock already, they just run slower) while offering far more cores for the same price, I'm unsure how Intel will or can react.

I mean, they have 16 core chips, the 9960x, but, it costs 1500 bucks, and for consumers, looks to be matched by the next ryzen chip, like for 400-500 ish, just without the HEDT features of extra pcie lanes, avx 512 and quad channel memory support etc, which, most consumers have no need for outside of professional applications.

So given that Intel already said they are a good year away from 10nm, let alone 7nm (to their share holders!), I don't know how much further they can push the existing socket.

With that said, 5GHz is closing on theoretical max clocks until we see a big break through (likely with graphene replacing silicon) , atleast under normal cooling methods, so it's not like a 9900k will suddenly be put of date any time soon, unless you insist on being on the cutting edge.

Edit.
So, I don't know if they can squeeze much more onto the existing socket before they need to update if for no other reason than to fit more cores into the available area.

So, yeah, I guess we'll see what Intel can or will try to do come computex in June when amd us likely to announce ryzen 2 proper.

Graphene and carbon nanotubes were already tested at a Whooping 100Ghz clock. That was in 2012 https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1172958 IBM will aim for 1Thz.

I'm watching for Zen 2 which will be the Threadripper 3xxx series. It will actually be Ryzen 3 not 2, 2 is already out you mean Zen. Ryzen 2 was built on Zen+ same with Threadripper 2xxx series.

[Monk]

You are correct, I indeed meant zen 2.

Yeah, graphene us the likely future for electronics, just waiting on the viability / yield to be competitive and we'll see some real huge performance gains, until then, we're kind of stuck with bigger silicon, which costs more and more cores, but I wouldn't expect to see any real huge speed gains any time soon unless chillers become standard equipment and are magically power efficient.

[iceman1980]

I wonder what the power delivery system would look like for a 1Thz CPU (1000Ghz) I'm going to guess super-cooled processor cores run at close to absolute zero. (No home consumer will be able to run them)

[Monk]

Huge, but the consumer viable options would still have the potential to be a scale of magnitude faster than what we currently have.

[iceman1980]

But back on topic AMD is actually pro-sumer why? They don't need to change their sockets every single year... Buy a good AM4 motherboard it will run ALL Ryzen CPUs. AMD clearly saw ahead of time their power demand requirements and planned into the design of their CPU to support backward compatability, that itself is very good. You don't need to go from a particular CPU board supporting DDR4 to another motherboard with basically the same specifications while paying more for a new socket.

Long story short:

INTEL is GREEDY