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2700 + A320 is bad. Skip this idea.
Would skip the pre-builds too..
I have no time to build one is no excuse, u have options over options.
let the local pc store build your pc, a friend, your dad etc.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6tPnV6
Here ~ 1300€ and current gen.
Faster GPU, CPU is better for streaming and productivity if you're into that.
So the prices are in € indeed.
Primarily I'd like to use it for gaming yes.
But not for hardcore 1440p fps stuff but more like grandstrategy games and alike.
My heaviest games are Subnautica (which I am especially keen on finally trying out as my current notebook is not able to handle it) and Deus Ex Mankind Divided. Maybe also Battlestar Galactica Deadlock? Don't know yet as I did not start playing yet.
Only FPS I'd like to maybe try one day would be
https://store.steampowered.com/app/686810/Hell_Let_Loose/
Also StarEngine needs to run totally smooth! :)
Streaming is absolutely not necessary.
Obviously for writing bills etc. I need office stuff but that's really no issue.
And sometimes movies. But mostly for surfing and gaming.
So I hope you get the idea, it's way more casual gaming than it might have sounded.
Anyway, main reason I ask is because I have no idea about stuff like this. In no way it is clear to me why 2700 + A320 is a bad idea (thanks for the heads-up!) and thus I thought - apart from the time aspect - that building a computer myself would not result in a satisfying pc.
Also on a review (from spring 2018) it said that the parts build in the 3) Zotac would be eve n a little more expensive if you were to rebuild it (mainly because of the unique case which you cannot buy like this, so you'd have to make everything bigger than the Zotac).
Thus I thought buying a prebuild pc would not be such a waste of money like maybe 10 years ago.
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Also gpu wise I wonder:
On here e.g.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/3603vs4029
you can see that the rtx models are only little better than the latest gtx...and it says that there
are until now very few games that make use of this new technology (which I have no idea about what they mean btw :D ).
So I thought a RTX might not be necessary?
An A320 is the cheapest, non-overclockable motherboard you can get for any Ryzen system.
It doesnt make sense to pair up a Ryzen 7 with literally the worse motherboard possible.
Prebuilts do this as well as pick cheap powersupplies and harddrives to make sure its the cheapest system they can build while marketing it as a Ryzen 7 + GTX 1080 build to maximuse profit. They skimp out on other just as important parts.
So but you agree that even though I apparently could get a system with a RTX 2070 for the same prize like those pre-builds, that the RTX is mainly unnecessary for most current games and my requirements?
But on the other hand for sure a 1080 instead of a 1070? There's also the 1080Ti isn't it? :)
EDIT: Just checked it and crazy enough, the 1080Ti has better results than the 2070!
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/3918vs4029
Btw: thank you very much guys for the pcpartpicker links! I really appreciate the effort in compiling a system of about roughly the same price as those above-mentioned pre-builts!
newer gen cpu on older gen mainboard.
For the 2nd gen ryzen u "need" a b450 mainboard.
Anything older needs an bios update, besides that, the a320 is a cheap mobo u can use for office, but not for a gaming pc.
The 1080 is still okay, but since u can spend over 1k € i would go with current gen.
And with the pre-builts, you pay mostly a premium price for cheap/cheaper hardware.
For example the mifcom, cheap old b360 mobo with an 8th gen i7, a low end cpu cooler.
cheap 2400 mhz ram, cheap 40€ psu
For ~1350€
Compared to a current gen pc with higher quality parts.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6tPnV6
~ 1300€ + maybe 50€ for the local pc store service to build this rig.
*you can also go with the 2070 if u have the budget.
rtx is not rly needed or needs to stay in focus, its more like hairworks 2.0.
But rtx in general, well its newer tech, more efficient and faster.
And since its only for gaming, go with intel i5 current gen(like in the link) coz of the better single core performance.
Its up to you now, your money.
Of course the 1080 ti is better.. more vram, bandwidth etc.
Suprising sidenote, my 1080 ti is better than my old 1080.
All gpu's are more or less designed for a different level of use. (resolution, settings yada yada)
Ah and it's nice to know that an I5 is good also....I thought that it's just plain and simple like the higher number the better....
but so you say for gaming in any case i5 is better than let's say i7?
EDIT:
And here https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-9600K/3958vs4031
there is the comparison of those two processors that you two did recommend.
Here we see that the Intel one is a little better. But it is also cheaper.
So why did you recommend a Ryzen, rezo?
EDIT2:
In both your configurations there is just one cooler system...is that really enough? Don't both GPU and CPU need cooling?
I7 is something u aim for if u do stuff like editing too.
If its only for gaming, i5 will do fine for a long time.
Cant say i had problems, I just made the move to i7 coz I started editing at home.
But if u have the money, nothing wrong to go with the 9th gen i7.
I mean, hey, extra juice, so why not.
Short version..
Intel is better, coz of the better single core performance.
Why amd now? Amd made finally a good cpu after the bulldozer joke.
A beat cheaper, good performance, every cpu comes with a good cooler(so u dont need to buy one)
*Intel k cpu's coming without a cooler, only the non-k.
And what I think I know is that the K-versions respectively X-versions are the ones that you can overclock right? If I have a good system that can handle all current games nicely, isn't overclocking more or less useless?
I am thinking that overclocking is mostly for games that are actually newer than your pc and in order to still be able to play it like on an up-to-date machine you need to overclock your old one. Is that more or less correct?
EDIT:
Oh jeez, I tried to exchange the video card in the pcpartpicker config with a 1080TI and 1) there are three different(?) models and 2) without a price...
Intel cpu's with a k, are slightly better and you can do overclocking. Yes.
And yes you need a cooler for the k's.
The one in my config is just a cooler I would pick, but an cryorig or noctua would be good to, just skip the 20-25€ budget line.
The gpu coolers are completly different :D
Just skip the cheaper line, go with a gaming x, strix or so.
OC is not rly needed for gaming/newer games.
DO oc if u think you need a bit more power/cpu lacks a bit.
just means its not listed, dont worry.
But you can add custom links from Amazon or so if hardware xyz is not listed on ppp.
Apart from the VRAM the different models probably only differ in size/form? What is for sure is that the Gaming X and Strix ones are those really expensive ones, wow
(Btw, see, all these questions I need to have answered are one reason why I thought just buying a pre-built one might have been the better (or easier) choice ;)
Price wont drop on pascal (gtx 10xx series) just skip it, u can buy a current gen one for this price.
2070 ventus or so, will do fine a long time.
Difference, cooling/cooling design, size yada yada.
Stuff like backplate, zero fan mode on desktop, simple fans spinning all the time, list is long.
Would check the specific model on brand homepage x and compare the features.
Maybe, but keep in mind what I've said about the pre-builts.
One more question for now, then I am surfing the net for a nice config which I will later post here for a last check:)
Both of your configs have mainly the same components (which makes it a lot easier for me:) )
But apart from the GPU and CPU also the MB is different.
Can you tell me why I should stick with yours (exactly 100,- cheaper!)? Can i use your MB also when I eventually might upgrade my CPU?
Is the more expensive one really worth its price?
Looking also into the future like you guys taught me already ;)
That's the spirit
Feel free to ask here if u need help or so.
Mobo depends on your goals, if wanna do oc, ofc u will skip the cheaper ones, if not you can go with a simple asus prime or so.
Keep also in mind what u need too, maybe wifi? If so, pick one with wifi like the asus z390-e.
Coz of the z390 socket you can go later with 9th gen i7 or i9.
Why mine?
Since u only wanna play games, go with intel for the best bang for the buck.
Only thing I would change, to a 2070 ventus or so. (just had the focus on 1300€)