Would tweaking network settings in windows help to reduce dpc latency?

[Samwise]

I tested dcp latency and it said my results were high, and i think thats why i get sound lags when shooting in online games. I know i have made like 3 topics about this before, but im fairly sure i know the cause now, finally.

I have read some guides like this one

http://techgenix.com/advanced-network-adapter-driver-settings/

But im still unsure what disable or tweak, because those guides dont mention effects on potato laptop, or if they only matter on wifi or wired.

Basically, when im shooting in l4d 2 in online mode my gun shooting sounds gets delayed randomly. On versus mode, where there are more players, this issue gets worse. On co op campaign mode, against enemy AI its lesser, but still annoying.

So, basically will making any changes on settings mentioned on that article help me with that and if they do help, can anyone tell me what are some safe changes to do?

[Samwise]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Which motherboard do you have so I can review the onboard NIC that it has.

The laptop model is

S-70 A-10

Idk, what its MB is.

Yamantaka님이 먼저 게시:

Well, this is just a guess, but sometimes (too) old drivers have caused similar issues in form of lag/stuttering. Got no clue why it would happen only in MP, unless it's purely network drivers or some odd combination of faulty drivers, but with old hardware & drivers anything is possible. I know this doesn't really help, but it's one possibility. Also, if your CPU usage gets really high during MP gaming, it may cause similar issues.

Just a thought. Personally, I'd just get a new computer...

I was planning on buying new laptop a year ago, but things happened i decided to wait. Now its been over 6 months of no new laptops here (Finland, you're Finnish too, right?) and what they are selling are not good.

[_I_]

ping the router

start -> run/search -> cmd
tracert google.com

open a cmd prompt for the first 3 that respond (router, modem and isp host)

ping -t 192.168.x.1

hit ctrl+c to stop and show min/max/avg and loss
will help find where the lag spikes are coming from

[Bad 💀 Motha]

For a new laptop with gaming in mind I'd wait until you start seeing the new laptops with Ryzen 4xxx series cpus. And it is possible to buy Ryzen cpu based laptop with Nvidia based gpu.

[Yamantaka]

Any modern laptop with decent cooling, 4/6 core CPU, 1660, 2060 or 2070 would be worthwhile upgrade in my opinion, but it truly does come down to your preferences. Certainly options get better if you wait - like always. And of course desktop would offer more options, but if you want a laptop there always will be compromises.

Yes, I'm from Finland. Few of my friends have bought within 3 months Asus Strix laptops (2070, i7-9750H) for around 2000 euros and one got Asus TUF with gtx 1660ti & Ryzen 7-3750H for about 1300 euros. They've been happy with them, but if you need a better one then you have to wait for new models I guess.

[Samwise]

Yamantaka님이 먼저 게시:

Any modern laptop with decent cooling, 4/6 core CPU, 1660, 2060 or 2070 would be worthwhile upgrade in my opinion, but it truly does come down to your preferences. Certainly options get better if you wait - like always. And of course desktop would offer more options, but if you want a laptop there always will be compromises.

Yes, I'm from Finland. Few of my friends have bought within 3 months Asus Strix laptops (2070, i7-9750H) for around 2000 euros and one got Asus TUF with gtx 1660ti & Ryzen 7-3750H for about 1300 euros. They've been happy with them, but if you need a better one then you have to wait for new models I guess.

Basically all laptops with intel 8000 or 9000 series cpu runs around 90c according to reviewers. Its very toasty, and im not paying a lot of money for poorly designed systems.

They're also LOUD.

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

For a new laptop with gaming in mind I'd wait until you start seeing the new laptops with Ryzen 4xxx series cpus. And it is possible to buy Ryzen cpu based laptop with Nvidia based gpu.

Yeah, thats the plan. I just hope AMD really does some effort to fine tune their mobile cpu's. Seeing that many laptops have badly adjusted voltage settings, which leads to unnecessary high temps and possible throttling.

[Yamantaka]

I can't remember those exact Asus strix models, but they ran prime95 around 85C, which I think is nothing to worry about. In daily gaming it's less of course. Still, loud certainly.

I hope you get the best possible laptop in the future then. I doubt it will be quiet tho, if you want better cooling.

[[☥] - CJ -]

And there you have it.

Outside of trying to update the NIC driver and seeing if that helps its likely due to the specs/age of the laptop.

Also, at higher connection speeds the CPU can be a bottleneck, which may or may not have something to do with the results while gaming as it is an older laptop.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Samwise님이 먼저 게시:

Raoul님이 먼저 게시:

Reinstall the driver if you mean to reset the advanced section of the adapter options.

That sounds incredibly half assed by Windows. There really is no other way???

I'm using Toshiba laptop, and Toshiba only has bunch of outdated drivers, because they no longer make laptops i think. Its reall hassle to navigate their website to find the drivers and such.

For example my audio drivers are something called Conexant hd audio, and afaik, there is no official site even download them. I have zero idea where to download correct new drivers for both sound card and my network card...

I guess its better i dont touch my network advanced settings...

If you do not know who manufactures your audio hardware and it's Windows Vista era or newer, 99% of times it's Realtek :) The need for specialized audio hardware died around this time and Realtek just absorbed the entire market.

Realtek makes especially crappy network cards that result in high DPC latency because they cannot do anything without the CPU. Realtek network + Realtek audio is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Samwise]

Yamantaka님이 먼저 게시:

I can't remember those exact Asus strix models, but they ran prime95 around 85C, which I think is nothing to worry about. In daily gaming it's less of course. Still, loud certainly.

I hope you get the best possible laptop in the future then. I doubt it will be quiet tho, if you want better cooling.

I can tolerate fan noise if it means cool components, but if its loud because bad design and has high temps, then i hate it.

☥ - CJ -님이 먼저 게시:

And there you have it.

Outside of trying to update the NIC driver and seeing if that helps its likely due to the specs/age of the laptop.

Also, at higher connection speeds the CPU can be a bottleneck, which may or may not have something to do with the results while gaming as it is an older laptop.

But why people with worse specs are not having the issues?

Also, its a game from 2010 and is not very demanding. Valve hasnt updated it a lot or made it more demanding like TF2.

SK Kaldaien님이 먼저 게시:

Samwise님이 먼저 게시:

That sounds incredibly half assed by Windows. There really is no other way???

I'm using Toshiba laptop, and Toshiba only has bunch of outdated drivers, because they no longer make laptops i think. Its reall hassle to navigate their website to find the drivers and such.

For example my audio drivers are something called Conexant hd audio, and afaik, there is no official site even download them. I have zero idea where to download correct new drivers for both sound card and my network card...

I guess its better i dont touch my network advanced settings...

If you do not know who manufactures your audio hardware and it's Windows Vista era or newer, 99% of times it's Realtek :) The need for specialized audio hardware died around this time and Realtek just absorbed the entire market.

Realtek makes especially crappy network cards that result in high DPC latency because they cannot do anything without the CPU. Realtek network + Realtek audio is a disaster waiting to happen.

Its conexant, supposedly thats the manufacturer. For sound i mean.

I think my wifi is by realtek, but i can also see Qualcom there. Can it be that one does ethernet and one does wifi???

[[☥] - CJ -]

You can easily see who the manuf is
right click the network icon on the task bar and click open network and internet settings
Then click Change network adapter settings

The name of the hardware is under the Network name

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Yes, WiFi and wired Ethernet are usually separate. If you see any options in your network card's drivers that discusses "interrupts," you should enable that. It may be referred to as Interrupt Moderation or Interrupt Coalescing, it's there to prevent high network activity from requiring the CPU.

[Samwise]

SK Kaldaien님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, WiFi and wired Ethernet are usually separate. If you see any options in your network card's drivers that discusses "interrupts," you should enable that. It may be referred to as Interrupt Moderation or Interrupt Coalescing, it's there to prevent high network activity from requiring the CPU.

I thought you should disable that setting, at least every single optimization guide recommends doing so. I mean as long as you got good cpu, because apparently your cpu usage goes up.

I havent disabled it, because my cpu is bad.

[Samwise]

I wonder if this gives any indication for anything but i list few things that helped me, to at least being able to play without making me feel like i want to pull my hair out, lol.

1. I reboot the modem. I feel this helps me the most. I let cool down or whatever for 5 min, and then put power back on.

2. I let the computer idle on desktop, and it starts windows modules installer or something like that to start doing something. Idk what it does, but it frees little bit ram. If i let it do its thing for 15 mind my ram usage goes down from 23% to 17%. I think lowest i have seen it go is 14%.

3. I start the game, play sp mode, quit the game completely, and restart it in few seconds. I have zero idea why, but this also helps.

I dont know which of these 3 helps the most for sure, but it reduces that sound lag happening like 30% or so.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Samwise님이 먼저 게시:

Yamantaka님이 먼저 게시:

Any modern laptop with decent cooling, 4/6 core CPU, 1660, 2060 or 2070 would be worthwhile upgrade in my opinion, but it truly does come down to your preferences. Certainly options get better if you wait - like always. And of course desktop would offer more options, but if you want a laptop there always will be compromises.

Yes, I'm from Finland. Few of my friends have bought within 3 months Asus Strix laptops (2070, i7-9750H) for around 2000 euros and one got Asus TUF with gtx 1660ti & Ryzen 7-3750H for about 1300 euros. They've been happy with them, but if you need a better one then you have to wait for new models I guess.

Basically all laptops with intel 8000 or 9000 series cpu runs around 90c according to reviewers. Its very toasty, and im not paying a lot of money for poorly designed systems.

They're also LOUD.

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

For a new laptop with gaming in mind I'd wait until you start seeing the new laptops with Ryzen 4xxx series cpus. And it is possible to buy Ryzen cpu based laptop with Nvidia based gpu.

Yeah, thats the plan. I just hope AMD really does some effort to fine tune their mobile cpu's. Seeing that many laptops have badly adjusted voltage settings, which leads to unnecessary high temps and possible throttling.

It's not that. Basically any laptop where you run stressfull app on, especially ones that use cpu and gpu at same time would approach 85*C+ for the most part. Even my 2011 Alienware M11x was like that. It didn't throttle until around 92*C the first time it happened where it was an issue was about 12-14 months after purchase. Dell sent a tech out to my home and replaced the fan cooling unit and thermal paste. It ran fine for approx another year afterwards. They again replaced what was needed to address the issues. I then learned how to undervolt cpu in order to better help maintain performance but with lower max temps.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

By the way, DPC latency wouldn't cause audio lag.

If you are having DPC issues, you would straight up be dealing with popping, hissing or crackling audio. The amount of sound data ready to go out to your speakers is _very_ small (only a few milliseconds) and any time the CPU snags on something you will hear audio glitches, not delays.