50HZ tv for 60FPS PC gaming

[HarbingerOfDestruction「俺様」]

I'm thinking of finally upgrading into 4K, I found a nice tv module 4K and with HDR, my only concern is that the tv only has 50HZ, which should normally cap the FPS to 50. But I heard that European tv modules are just designed to be 50HZ but should work 60HZ for video games.

Is that true?

Also what do you think of this module:
https://pricebaba.com/television/lg-43um7300pta-43-inch-4k-ultra-hd-smart-led-tv-price-india

Thank you.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

TIGGER eredeti hozzászólása:

The US NTSC is usually 50, 99% of uk tv's are 60

No.

USA power grid is 60 Hz and TV signal is just about 60 Hz.

Most (all?) power grids in Europe are 50 Hz and hence TV signal was just about 50 Hz.

However there's a ton of 60 Hz LCD displays, as for whatever they can typically change between 60 and 50 Hz or not I don't know. If they can't then 50 Hz content would be weird on 60 Hz display and as such 50 Hz display would be better.

Saying 50 Hz may just be marketing in "it's not 100, 200, 600, 1200 Hz" and similar as they have marketed monitors as such before then again as it doesn't say 60 or 50/60 I wouldn't feel fully confident. Then again maybe just about no TVs sold for PAL areas say 60?

Then again it's a modern TV otherwise, not something from the 90s .. It clearly supports 60 Hz 4K signal. But do it support updating the panel at 60 Hz? I don't know!
https://www.sweclockers.com/forum/trad/1422484-kan-inte-fa-4k-60hz A bit older and in Swedish but there they talk about HDMI versions and whatever they were capable of 50 or 60 Hz.

I personally would want to make 100% sure whatever it can update the image at 60 Hz if that's what you want before buying it

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Mom's credit card eredeti hozzászólása:

Never use a tv for gaming they have terrible resolution.

No.

[Mr Blonde]

Mom's credit card eredeti hozzászólása:

Never use a tv for gaming they have terrible resolution.

Terrible resolution? Go on then explain lol

[Mr Blonde]

Haha yes it is. But it’s wrong. How does a 4k tv have terrible resolution compared to a 4k monitor? Hint, pay attention to the 4k part

[The HopelessGamer™]

If you have 50hz and you get for example 100fps, you will only see 50fps out of that 100 because the hz on the screen is 50.

[Komrade]

Mom's credit card eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr Blonde eredeti hozzászólása:

Haha yes it is. But it’s wrong. How does a 4k tv have terrible resolution compared to a 4k monitor? Hint, pay attention to the 4k part

Because tv screen is bigger so it looks like garbage.

And you also sit further away. So it doesn't matter.

[Mr Blonde]

Oh so your talking about size of screen? How big of a tv you talking for 4k to look bad? Lol

[r.linder]

Mom's credit card eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr Blonde eredeti hozzászólása:

Haha yes it is. But it’s wrong. How does a 4k tv have terrible resolution compared to a 4k monitor? Hint, pay attention to the 4k part

Because tv screen is bigger so it looks like garbage.

With 1080p and 1440p, maybe, but having a too large or small display at any resolution is pretty bad, even with standard monitors.

4K TVs are perfectly fine because of the larger pixel resolution, twice that of 2160p and four times that of 1080p, so really it evens out. What would make a 4K TV look bad would be if it were absolutely monolithic and you were standing right in front of it.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Cathulhu eredeti hozzászólása:

*sigh* No. The panel will not magically turn into a 60Hz panel. It is still a 50Hz panel and will only output 50Hz.

What if you change some other input values?

[Komrade]

250RoundMags eredeti hozzászólása:

Cathulhu eredeti hozzászólása:

*sigh* No. The panel will not magically turn into a 60Hz panel. It is still a 50Hz panel and will only output 50Hz.

What if you change some other input values?

If it's rated for 59hz native it will run at 50hz native.

[Obsessive Power]

christmaS eredeti hozzászólása:

250RoundMags eredeti hozzászólása:

What if you change some other input values?

If it's rated for 59hz native it will run at 50hz native.

It won't be 50Hz. I have no idea why they've put that in the tech spec description. No big brand TV's in Europe have been 50Hz only for years, probably going back to 2005.

Late into the life of the original Xbox and PS2, games in PAL regions started to get 60Hz support and this was before LCD HDTV's were becoming a thing. So even the last models of CRT TV's had PAL 60 support.

Ignore what the description says it's either wrong or it just refers to supporting 50Hz signals from Cable or Satellite TV broadcasters in Europe which do indeed display content at this frequency.

[Komrade]

Obsessive Power eredeti hozzászólása:

christmaS eredeti hozzászólása:

If it's rated for 59hz native it will run at 50hz native.

It won't be 50Hz. I have no idea why they've put that in the tech spec description. No big brand TV's in Europe have been 50Hz only for years, probably going back to 2005.

Late into the life of the original Xbox and PS2, games in PAL regions started to get 60Hz support and this was before LCD HDTV's were becoming a thing. So even the last models of CRT TV's had PAL 60 support.

Ignore what the description says it's either wrong or it just refers to supporting 50Hz signals from Cable or Satellite TV broadcasters in Europe which do indeed display content at this frequency.

https://prnt.sc/q9jsct

Even on the official LG Singapore site says it's 50hz.

https://prnt.sc/q9jsp5

So does the UK and India sites

[Obsessive Power]

I think I understand why it says 50Hz now. Like most TV's it has extra post processing modes for optimal viewing. The 50Hz relates only to 'TruMotion'.

TruMotion is LG’s implementation of motion smoothing. Motion smoothing works by increasing the framerate (the speed at which your TV shows a new picture) of the video by inserting extra “fake” frames between each real frame. Most movies and TV shows are shot at 24 frames-per-second (FPS), and by guessing what the in-between frames would look like, your TV can bump the framerate up to 50 fps. This can make certain fast-paced content (like sports) look a lot better, but ruins the cinematic quality of movies and TV shows.

It's 50Hz for TruMotion because that's the standard in PAL regions. I'm not a fan of motion smoothing technology in TV's so I turn it off. Motion smoothing often goes by the term 'The Soap Opera Effect'.

The HEVC decoder information says 4K@60p 10 bit. This information alone proves it's 60Hz. It also says 60Hz in the manual.

[Autumn_]

The HopelessGamer™ eredeti hozzászólása:

If you have 50hz and you get for example 100fps, you will only see 50fps out of that 100 because the hz on the screen is 50.

You can still see the 100 fps, only half of each frame, but you can still see it.

And there are gains to having higher FPS than refreshrate - less input lag, improved smoothness, you see things sooner, and certain game engines like higher FPS.

Mom's credit card eredeti hozzászólása:

Never use a tv for gaming they have terrible resolution.

Lol

[L37]

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

With 1080p and 1440p, maybe, but having a too large or small display at any resolution is pretty bad, even with standard monitors.

4K TVs are perfectly fine because of the larger pixel resolution, twice that of 2160p and four times that of 1080p, so really it evens out. What would make a 4K TV look bad would be if it were absolutely monolithic and you were standing right in front of it.

Wait, is not 4k just a marketing name for 2160p (for 16:9 at least) and similar other resolutions for other aspect ratios like 3840 × 2400 (16:10) and such?