2080S with 144hz Gsync stuttering DETAILED Post!

[Martial Biker]

I7-9700k
16gb ram, ssd
2080 super
1440p at 144hz monitor gsync enabled

It seems in all games I get stuttering, even for the slightest frame drops. Examples:
- NASCAR Heat 4, easily can be run with a 2080s on high settings. Frames are 144 90% on the time, but even if it drops to 140, it visably skips.
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider, medium to high settings. Ray shadows, and pure hair off. Literally jumps from the mid 100s to barely 60 at times. Massive stuttering.
- Jurassic World Evolution. In game frame limit to 90. Stays at this 95% of the time. Visable stutter just dropping into the 80s.

I think you get the picture. Demanding games or games that can be completely maxed out like the first Sonic Allstars Racing seems to just not look 100% fluent.

And importantly, cpu and gpu temps don’t go above 70.

Some of my questions are:
- Is gsync actually even doing anything?
- Is there some kind of counteract going on with in vsync on?

Let’s get the obvious out of the way, I’m advanced computer knowledgable and can build a pc in my sleep. So let’s skip the “is such and such checked off in settings” common replies. But I’m not some bios or power shell expert, etc. For a near 2k build this is freakin frustrating. Serious more knowledgeable help would be greatly appreciated.

[nullable]

Postat inițial de Autumn:

Everything I've seen about it shows they work brilliantly, but there is some added latency from Vsync.
I do plan to experement with Gsync + Vsync some more later on next week.
Because the extent of my personal experience is:
- enable Gsync
- cap FPS
- 'mhmm feels smoother' (which it did)
Then leave it at that.
I've never actually used Vsync, except in games that it's 'forced' on.

I've used Vsync for decades at this point. I couldn't abide by screen tearing and before AdativeSync technologies you had two choices really, on or off.. I can't help but think the fuss over "added latency" is technically true, but if we were to look at the actual numbers we're talking inconsequential differences most of the time. Like I ain't getting killed in the Witcher 3 or Sekiro because of input lag.

Or at least you have to decide were your values lay. Whether input latency is the thing you care most about in all possible cases and it always needs to be as optimal as possible. Or whether you have other concerns.

I've been running a 1440p 144hz Gsync screen for about 18 months now (8700k + 1080 ti). In general I default to vsync and gsync, once in a great while if there's a specific issue I might turn vsync off. But that's a few and far between necessity. Mostly it seems fine either way and I'd be hard pressed to tell you if vsync was on or off in a blind test in most cases I think. So I try to only care about things I can actually perceive as opposed to things very loud people shout are important because they feel it is.

[Autumn_]

Postat inițial de Brockenstein:

Postat inițial de Autumn:

Everything I've seen about it shows they work brilliantly, but there is some added latency from Vsync.
I do plan to experement with Gsync + Vsync some more later on next week.
Because the extent of my personal experience is:
- enable Gsync
- cap FPS
- 'mhmm feels smoother' (which it did)
Then leave it at that.
I've never actually used Vsync, except in games that it's 'forced' on.

I've used Vsync for decades at this point. I couldn't abide by screen tearing and before AdativeSync technologies you had two choices really, on or off.. I can't help but think the fuss over "added latency" is technically true, but if we were to look at the actual numbers we're talking inconsequential differences most of the time. Like I ain't getting killed in the Witcher 3 or Sekiro because of input lag.

Or at least you have to decide were your values lay. Whether input latency is the thing you care most about in all possible cases and it always needs to be as optimal as possible. Or whether you have other concerns.

I've been running a 1440p 144hz Gsync screen for about 18 months now (8700k + 1080 ti). In general I default to vsync and gsync, once in a great while if there's a specific issue I might turn vsync off. But that's a few and far between necessity. Mostly it seems fine either way and I'd be hard pressed to tell you if vsync was on or off in a blind test in most cases I think. So I try to only care about things I can actually perceive as opposed to things very loud people shout are important because they feel it is.

The numbers are enough to matter, that's all that really matters, it also depends on the type of Vsync, and how the game limits FPS.

Personally I hate the feeling of latency, and will do anything I can to reduce it.

I've got a 1440p 165hz Gsync monitor too, for almost a year, but I've never once used Vsync on it, because I'm kinda stuck in the ""Vsync BAD never use!!"" Mindset.
Latency, like Refresh rate, and graphics, is subjective.
Personally, it's a night and day difference for me, I don't like it, so I mostly go from my point of view unless people state they want no tearing.

[nullable]

Postat inițial de Autumn:

The numbers are enough to matter, that's all that really matters, it also depends on the type of Vsync, and how the game limits FPS.

Well therein lies the problem. The numbers aren't consistent, so it matters when you notice it, and it doesn't when you don't.

Postat inițial de Autumn:

Personally I hate the feeling of latency, and will do anything I can to reduce it.

That I can relate to, not with latency per se, but screen tearing. And I am pretty silly about performance anomalies too. Ill spend quite a bit of time tweaking graphics settings to try and get the most consistent experience and smooth out issues I perceive. I just try to compartmentalize my insanity from other people.

But a lot of people seem to have negative feelings about vsync. I don't recalling it being a big deal in the year 2000, but lots of things have changed in the last twenty years so me just not noticing or caring doesn't say much.

After all I recall being frustrated when people were apparently unable to see screen tearing. Either they were fine with it, or just didn't perceive it as a negative anomaly. Or not carrying if a CRT was running at 60hz and I could see it immediately and would want to turn it up to 72 or higher.

Vsync might be fine. But it might not be fine for everyone in all possible use cases...

[Autumn_]

Postat inițial de Brockenstein:

Postat inițial de Autumn:

The numbers are enough to matter, that's all that really matters, it also depends on the type of Vsync, and how the game limits FPS.

Well therein lies the problem. The numbers aren't consistent, so it matters when you notice it, and it doesn't when you don't.

Postat inițial de Autumn:

Personally I hate the feeling of latency, and will do anything I can to reduce it.

That I can relate to, not with latency per se, but screen tearing. And I am pretty silly about performance anomalies too. Ill spend quite a bit of time tweaking graphics settings to try and get the most consistent experience and smooth out issues I perceive. I just try to compartmentalize my insanity from other people.

But a lot of people seem to have negative feelings about vsync. I don't recalling it being a big deal in the year 2000, but lots of things have changed in the last twenty years so me just not noticing or caring doesn't say much.

After all I recall being frustrated when people were apparently unable to see screen tearing. Either they were fine with it, or just didn't perceive it as a negative anomaly. Or not carrying if a CRT was running at 60hz and I could see it immediately and would want to turn it up to 72 or higher.

Vsync might be fine. But it might not be fine for everyone in all possible use cases...

Yeah, I getcha, I personally didn't experience tearing, then I got my 1440p144hz display, and used that for a while, then used my old 60hz monitor without Vsync, and jesus ♥♥♥♥, I wonder how I didn't see it before, it's so terrible.

I think it's not that people don't notice these anomolies, more that they 'train' themselves to ignore it.
(Or they have such a high FPS the tear lines have such little difference, it doesn't matter if there is any sync.)

I do try to keep my biases and prefernces from others, using only the most realistic / logical choices for everything, but I do let the 'Vsync = Bad' one slip a lot.

[nullable]

Postat inițial de Autumn:

I think it's not that people don't notice these anomolies, more that they 'train' themselves to ignore it.

Perhaps. But sometimes you have to train yourself to notice things too. Only problem is once you do you can't un-notice, un-see, or un-feel it, for better or worse.

[Martial Biker]

Another week of misery... I really don't understand what is going on!! It seems like not a single damn game will run fluent without random stutters!!
More time playing Grid 2019:
Frame limit to 90.. game stutters, and drops to 88... frame limit to 120.. game stutters and drops to 118... frame limit to 60.. stutters, drops to 59..
Gsync on, gsync off.. no change.. vsync on with gsync, vsync off.. no change...

[Carlsberg]

Try and disable superfetch and look at nvidia audio drivers, both can cause this on some machines. Maybe your too focussed on the gpu and it may not be your issue.

[Martial Biker]

What about drivers? I'm on latest 442.19

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Postat inițial de BIKER TAKER:

What about drivers? I'm on latest 442.19

Wipe that out and try an older one.

Update Windows and also all the rest of your other drivers.

[Martial Biker]

Everything else is up to date. Also, i do not have the superfetch service running.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

The newer nvidia drivers are buggy, no doubt. Wipe with ddu in safe mode.

You can select which version to download on here...
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx

[Martial Biker]

I need a Red Dead 2 compatible driver, so I'm going to try only 2 back

[Carlsberg]

If its of any help i also have an rtx 2080 and am using 441.66 with no issues. Difference is i also have a ryzen cpu with 32gb

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Postat inițial de BIKER TAKER:

I need a Red Dead 2 compatible driver, so I'm going to try only 2 back

Game ready drivers are a gimmick, you can use any driver you want that is designed for Win10 64bit 1909

[Martial Biker]

I'm going to try 441.66 as well once it's downloaded. As for the nvidia audio drivers.. i need that, because i sometimes connect to my 4k tv with hdmi