regional mob 29 ENE 2020 a las 2:30 a. m.
Intel 9900k vs 9900kf
What's the difference? Is it worth it?
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_I_ 29 ENE 2020 a las 6:29 a. m. 
cm does have a few good psus, but most are trash

700w if it can output anything close to that will be more than enough for the build
look for a 110/220v volt select switch, if it has one replace the psu
Última edición por _I_; 29 ENE 2020 a las 6:29 a. m.
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:08 a. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por _I_:
depends more on the brand/model of the psu over labeled wattage

what gpu do you plan on pairing with it?
It's a coolermaster but I'm not sure of the model, all I know is the brand and the wattage output (700w).

I plan to save up for an MSI GeForce RTX2070 Super Gaming X Trio 8GB GDDR6



700W is moore than enough if your psu is decent. Generally, if it says 80+ or 80+ bronze or above and has 5+ years warranty, it should be good enough.


As an extra piece of advice, you should never pair two ram modules with different frequency, for example one at 2100 and one at 3000, because you will just waste the 3000mhz module, it won't work at that frequency, but at 2100.

Your ram frequency in your current rig is around 2100, so you could get some 3000+ modules if you have extra cash, that's what most modern rigs have.
Also, no, having 32gb of ram will not give you an fps advantage, it's not how that works. Right now 16gb is enough. Hope it helps :)

(Having 32gb will give an increase, but it is so small that it's insignificant and definetly not worth it).
Última edición por I AM the European Union!; 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:15 a. m.
Julien, cut it out. 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:25 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Golden Chair:
Yeah, but I'm worried that this year or next year something 10x better will be released and that my hardware will become outdated. So getting best of the best parts will keep me that headstart when something new comes out

Moore's Law has never worked this way. Hardware will become outdated at some point. Getting the best available components is most of the time not the smartest (cheapest) way, not even in the long term.

If you just want to play games, the Ryzen 5 3600 is the best option for now.
It's cheap but powerful,
it has 6 cores with SMT which is enough to play games for the moment and the near future,
a necessary good B450 motherboard is cheap but offers at the same time all features one needs.

The advantage of a Ryzen build is that you'll be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 4000 Series CPU at a later point, without changing the motherboard.
The step to a more expensive 8 Core CPU is at the moment not necessary. With the Ryzen 4000 Series you'll have better performance than with today's Ryzen 3000 Series.
The step towards 8C (with SMT) will be much smarter when the Ryzen 4000 Series CPU is available.

If you just game, there is no need for a i9-9900k.
You can get a Ryzen 5 3600, a decent B450 motherboard and 16 GB 3200 MHz CL16 for less money than the i7-9700k.
Última edición por Julien, cut it out.; 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:27 a. m.
regional mob 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:27 a. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por Golden Chair:
It's a coolermaster but I'm not sure of the model, all I know is the brand and the wattage output (700w).

I plan to save up for an MSI GeForce RTX2070 Super Gaming X Trio 8GB GDDR6



700W is moore than enough if your psu is decent. Generally, if it says 80+ or 80+ bronze or above and has 5+ years warranty, it should be good enough.


As an extra piece of advice, you should never pair two ram modules with different frequency, for example one at 2100 and one at 3000, because you will just waste the 3000mhz module, it won't work at that frequency, but at 2100.

Your ram frequency in your current rig is around 2100, so you could get some 3000+ modules if you have extra cash, that's what most modern rigs have.
Also, no, having 32gb of ram will not give you an fps advantage, it's not how that works. Right now 16gb is enough. Hope it helps :)

(Having 32gb will give an increase, but it is so small that it's insignificant and definetly not worth it).
What if I replaced my current 16gb ram sticks with a new pair of faster 16gb ram sticks, will that give a good boost?
Snow 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:28 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bananarama:
Moore's Law has never worked this way.
Moore's law has never worked in any way. Observation can't work or not work, it's just what someone witnessed.
Julien, cut it out. 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:33 a. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por Bananarama:
Moore's Law has never worked this way.
Moore's law has never worked in any way. Observation can't work or not work, it's just what someone witnessed.
Congratulations.
I could also be nit-picky and tell you that all our assumptions about the behaviour of "things" (laws) are based on observation.
No hypothesis can be proven right, only wrong.
Última edición por Julien, cut it out.; 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:59 a. m.
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:46 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bananarama:
Publicado originalmente por Golden Chair:
Yeah, but I'm worried that this year or next year something 10x better will be released and that my hardware will become outdated. So getting best of the best parts will keep me that headstart when something new comes out

Moore's Law has never worked this way. Hardware will become outdated at some point. Getting the best available components is most of the time not the smartest (cheapest) way, not even in the long term.

You are correct, getting the best components is not the best way of doing it, especially if you are buying them every year something new comes out.

However, getting a high end build if you don't plan to upgrade in some time can allow you to play most games that will come out until you get a new build.

Also, Moore's Law is not the ammount of performance a piece of hardware has, it does not translate to how much a processor is better over another.
There are a ton of things that impact the performance of a gpu or cpu, not just the number of transistors or frequency, just keep that in mind.

(Sorry, it just seems like you are somewhat implying that, by answering with talk about Moore's Law to the OP's comment).
Última edición por I AM the European Union!; 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:52 a. m.
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 7:48 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Snow:
Publicado originalmente por Bananarama:
Moore's Law has never worked this way.
Moore's law has never worked in any way. Observation can't work or not work, it's just what someone witnessed.


Indeed. And may I add, it's just an observation that happened until a certain point. Times change.
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 8:00 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Golden Chair:
Publicado originalmente por Pumpkin:



700W is moore than enough if your psu is decent. Generally, if it says 80+ or 80+ bronze or above and has 5+ years warranty, it should be good enough.


As an extra piece of advice, you should never pair two ram modules with different frequency, for example one at 2100 and one at 3000, because you will just waste the 3000mhz module, it won't work at that frequency, but at 2100.

Your ram frequency in your current rig is around 2100, so you could get some 3000+ modules if you have extra cash, that's what most modern rigs have.
Also, no, having 32gb of ram will not give you an fps advantage, it's not how that works. Right now 16gb is enough. Hope it helps :)

(Having 32gb will give an increase, but it is so small that it's insignificant and definetly not worth it).
What if I replaced my current 16gb ram sticks with a new pair of faster 16gb ram sticks, will that give a good boost?


It will definetly be better than what you currently have, and if you can, I would do it, however don't expect any crazy or even good fps advantages.
When gaming, it will be a small ammount. (Ram frequency is moore important with amd processors).


If you can return the ones you have, or re-sell them, you'll get some of your money back obviously.
The choice is up to you, but most modern rigs have 3000+ mhz sticks.


Regardless, what I really recommend you do anyway, is swap the 2100 or 2400mhz stick you have, to either 2100 both, 2400 or 3000+ both, because right now you are not using the 2400 one to it's max speed.
Última edición por I AM the European Union!; 29 ENE 2020 a las 8:03 a. m.
_I_ 29 ENE 2020 a las 11:15 a. m. 
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#m=337,11,14,71&e=6,5,4,2&A=600000000000,2000000000000&sort=price&page=1

the evga br 600w is often around $40-45
or seasonic 650w s12iii is often under $50
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 11:53 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ralf:
Publicado originalmente por Golden Chair:
Oh, I have a 700w psu is that good enough?
Publicado originalmente por _I_:
a quality 600w psu is enough for any single cpu and gpu system
Can someone list me like ten 600W or 700W quality psu's?(Not 650 or 750W)

Publicado originalmente por Pumpkin:
700W is moore than enough if your psu is decent. Generally, if it says 80+ or 80+ bronze or above and has 5+ years warranty, it should be good enough.
Show me 80+ white with 5year warranty.


Open a thread if you need help choosing one :)
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 12:03 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bananarama:
Publicado originalmente por Snow:
Moore's law has never worked in any way. Observation can't work or not work, it's just what someone witnessed.
Congratulations.
I could also be nit-picky and tell you that all our assumptions about the behaviour of "things" (laws) are based on observation.
No hypothesis can be proven right, only wrong.


Hmm, okay, I suppose you mean all scientific laws, if so, laws from physics, engineering...etc, are not solely based on observations.
You see, they are proven true by experimentation and mathematical analysis, and will remain so until proven false....which is unlikely.
You could say they are based on observation, (as are most of the things in our life even part of our behaviour) and then they are checked and proven.
(Don´t even know how it has anything to do with being nit-picky).

And actually, a hypothesis can in fact be proven right, not only wrong...A lot of physical laws come from observation and hypothesis...it´s something called the scientific method. (Maybe you should check what hypothesis means, since it can clearly be proven right aswell).

Please do not take this piece of criticism as an insult or go on the defensive, I´m just saying some things as they are with no intention to make you or anyone else look bad nor not to start any discussion.
Have a nice day :)
Última edición por I AM the European Union!; 29 ENE 2020 a las 12:08 p. m.
Ralf 29 ENE 2020 a las 1:06 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Pumpkin:
Open a thread if you need help choosing one :)
I don't need advice, I just dont know why people mention quality, 600W or 700W in the same sentence. I mean most people with 600/700w have crap psu's because there are only a handful good units out there and they often cost $100+.
I AM the European Union! 29 ENE 2020 a las 1:21 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ralf:
Publicado originalmente por Pumpkin:
Open a thread if you need help choosing one :)
I don't need advice, I just dont know why people mention quality, 600W or 700W in the same sentence. I mean most people with 600/700w have crap psu's because there are only a handful good units out there and they often cost $100+.


Umm, what?
Sorry if you got triggered by mentioning 600W and then 700W in the same sentence...but that just doesn´t make sense to me.

I personally never said anything about price....I mean I just don´t get what your problem is.
You just asked to show you 10 600 or 700W psu´s...
And by the way, there are decent units for less than 100$ but as with a lot of things...the best will often cost moore.
Why did yu erase your comment anyway? It´s still visible, because I repplied...
Última edición por I AM the European Union!; 29 ENE 2020 a las 1:23 p. m.
Snow 29 ENE 2020 a las 4:19 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mom's credit card:
From what I understand the 9900kf is supposed to be faster speed?
That's pretty much your PC knowledge level. "F gotta mean fast".
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