AMD RX 5700 XT - Soft power play table mod max (safe) voltage?

[DoomSlayer]

I recent got my Asus Strix 5700 XT, I want to overclock it more but theres next to no information out there on the max voltage I can run my card at on air cooling.

I currently have my max voltage set to 1255mV @2200mhz
My SoC voltage is set to 1237mV ...
Powerlimit is set to 225 watts ...

Thing is, theres no information out there that tells me if this is safe to run the card at. I'd run it at 1300mV if I knew the card wouldn't die in a year but once again I have no clue if its safe or not because no one posted any information..

This is the first AMD card I have owned in a long time, and I am not impressed with the fact that there is zero information out there for the card.

Bios modding my old 970 was super easy, because there was information to do it. I broke records with that card on air cooling (running nearly 1600mhz on aircooling below 70c).

Now I'm on AMD, and there is zero information for it.

If anyone has some kind of information about this, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Edit -

After fixing the loose heatsink, temps are way better than before. Averaging around 60-65c with power usage being around 230-250 watts and voltages being around 1200-1220mV.

I'm playing at 4k, completely maxed out, which I am pretty sure isn't giving the card any leg room temperature wise.

[DoomSlayer]

Anyone?

[Spec_Ops_Ape]

You'd probably be better off looking through reddit, either with an owners thread or those like you looking for overclocking info/comparisons. Specially maybe those centered around the powerplay table mods. Quite often someone puts up an editable spreadsheet that users update with their settings for specific cards.

[L37]

I do not know max safe voltage. Probably no one does, apart from AMD, and they will not tell.
One thing i can tell is 5700XT has terrible performance/power scaling when overclocking above ~2Ghz. And if you cap powerlimit at 225w you probably loose significant amount of performance by raising voltage. Just remove power limit (set it to like 200%) and see it eat ~350w with your settings (be careful not to blow up your PSU or card's VRM) while gaining like ~1-2% performance.
If you want to stay within reasonable power (~200+/-50w) you will most likely get better performance from undervolting it by ~0.1V and may be capping max boost frequency at a lower value.
Also when you do changes like this - run benchmarks to veryify performance, on this card it is pretty easy to reduce performance by "overclocking". And be sure to look at frametime consistency, high boost/voltage and low power limit causes issues with that.

Fun fact - for my card i ended up with 1050mV 1950Mhz max boost 230w powerlimit, this gives ~5% practical performance compared to stock 1200mV 2150Mhz 195w and power stays lower in most practical applications, i just set it higher to avoid frequancy dips in situations where power draw does get higher.

[DoomSlayer]

Messaggio originale di L37:

I do not know max safe voltage. Probably no one does, apart from AMD, and they will not tell.
One thing i can tell is 5700XT has terrible performance/power scaling when overclocking above ~2000Ghz. And if you cap powerlimit at 225w you probably loose significant amount of performance by raising voltage. Just remove power limit (set it to like 200%) and see it eat ~350w with your settings (be careful not to blow up your PSU or card's VRM) while gaining like ~1-2% performance.
If you want to stay within reasonable power (~200+/-50w) you will most likely get better performance from undervolting it by ~0.1V and may be capping max boost frequency at a lower value.
Also when you do changes like this - run benchmarks to veryify performance, on this card it is pretty easy to reduce performance by "overclocking". And be sure to look at frametime consistency, high boost/voltage and low power limit causes issues with that.

Fun fact - for my card i ended up with 1050mV 1950Mhz max boost 230w powerlimit, this gives ~5% practical performance compared to stock 1200mV 2150Mhz 195w and p riaower stays lower in most practical applications, i just set it higher to avoid frequancy dips in situations where power draw does get higher.

Raising the powerlimit fixes the stuttering and games run much better at 4k now, I was able to run my card at 2200 at 1260mv instead of 1280+. Only issue now, the 'Strix' cooler seems to not be enough to handle the power difference.

After 15mins of playtime, with the GPU fans maxed out (idc about noise) temps still climb to above 70c, usually flat lines at 74c - hot spot temps around 85-94c. Vrms/memory temps run at about 50 to 60c.

And this is with all 3 fans running at 100% ???? I thought the Strix cooler was good lol. For how heavy it is - you'd expect better temps.

...and because of this, clock speeds are around 2100 - 2150mhz. I also seen power spikes to around 300+ watts, I don't think my 600 watt PSU likes it haha.

I tried undervolting, I was able to get 1190mv at 2130mhz... (temps weren't much different, still 70c with fans maxed out.) I also didn't like the fact the card clocked 50 to 75mhz lower than what I set.

But I like tweaking, I wanted to see what I can get out of a 5700 xt... I was able to push the GTX 970 far past its capabilities - I should be able to push this card further.

[L37]

Thing is, you are trading ~200Mhz (~+10%) for ~100W (+50%) of power. And for this card +10% frequency does not translate into +10% performance, not even close. And obviously cooler is designed with specific TDP in mind, when you increase heat generation by 50% no surprise it does not handle it well.
Pick some benchmark and do actual performance testing at different frequencies in like ~1900-2200 range, look at power consumption, pick something sensible. It makes no sense to gain few % of performance at a cost of +50% power consumption.
Also if your memory temps are low - try memory overclocking, it has more noticable impact on performance than gpu frequency.

[SoldierScar]

Messaggio originale di L37:

I do not know max safe voltage. Probably no one does, apart from AMD, and they will not tell.
One thing i can tell is 5700XT has terrible performance/power scaling when overclocking above ~2000Ghz. And if you cap powerlimit at 225w you probably loose significant amount of performance by raising voltage. Just remove power limit (set it to like 200%) and see it eat ~350w with your settings (be careful not to blow up your PSU or card's VRM) while gaining like ~1-2% performance.
If you want to stay within reasonable power (~200+/-50w) you will most likely get better performance from undervolting it by ~0.1V and may be capping max boost frequency at a lower value.
Also when you do changes like this - run benchmarks to veryify performance, on this card it is pretty easy to reduce performance by "overclocking". And be sure to look at frametime consistency, high boost/voltage and low power limit causes issues with that.

Fun fact - for my card i ended up with 1050mV 1950Mhz max boost 230w powerlimit, this gives ~5% practical performance compared to stock 1200mV 2150Mhz 195w and power stays lower in most practical applications, i just set it higher to avoid frequancy dips in situations where power draw does get higher.

Same here, i was playing with my 5700xt pulse around a month, trying different clocks and stuff, my sweet spot is either 1950/1065 or 2000/1110..anything above that isnt worth it...and i can cool it at 70c at 1550rpm. For 2050 i need around 1165mv, so with default power limit the actual performance is lower than 1950/1065, when i raise the power limit it goes to 80c and power usage 30w more for like 2 fps at max.

[L37]

Messaggio originale di SoldierScar:

Same here, i was playing with my 5700xt pulse around a month, trying different clocks and stuff, the best thing someone can do is to set it at 1950 or 2000 at max, find the lowest stable voltage for it, raise the power limit at max.

Mine is pulse too.
The reasoning behind setting powerlimit to 230 intead of something like +99% is that i did some testing and in my setup the cooling cannot really handle more than 230W reliably. And i do not want to set settings which may lead to overheat/failure if something hangs while i am away from pc or something.

[DoomSlayer]

Messaggio originale di SoldierScar:

Same here, i was playing with my 5700xt pulse around a month, trying different clocks and stuff, my sweet spot is either 1950/1065 or 2000/1110..anything above that isnt worth it...and i can cool it at 70c at 1550rpm. For 2050 i need around 1165mv, so with default power limit the actual performance is lower than 1950/1065, when i raise the power limit it goes to 80c and power usage 30w more for like 2 fps at max.

But at what resolution though? That 2fps could be 5 or 10 in certain areas of the game, just because the avg goes up by a little - the frametimes could be better - your min fps could be better... Or if its at 4k, that extra 2-5fps is like 10 to 15fps at 1440p.

I also notice how the pixel fillrate is at 140GPixel/s and texture fillrate is around 350GTexel/s at 2200mhz vs 2100 or 2150 which is around 132-135GPixel/s and 340/345GTexel/s.

It pretty much matches the 2080 super in pixel fillrate and texture fillrate when you run the card at 2200mhz.

Hell, I get near 50 to 60fps in shadow of the tomb raider at 4k completely maxed out at 2180mhz/2200...

And I don't know if its a bug driver wise or something wrong with my SPPT but the memory is running at 1750mhz at around 890gb/s... I highly doubt its legit, but textures load near instantly even at 4k maxed out. (I updated drivers, tuned my SPPT more, yet nothing changed that memory frequency.)

And about the cooler... my MSI GTX 970 handled 280+ watts just fine, hell even after 5 years it barely broke 70c. Thats double its TDP yet it handled it fine, for 2 years straight. And I also overvolted that card to 1.312mV. For 2 years straight.

I didn't even have to upgrade, the damn card was still working fine, chugging away at 35-45fps at 4k ultra, on some games I even got above 50...On. A. 970. Zero temp issues. Zero voltage issues. Zero power issues. For 2 years. And as I said above, I was pushing double the power the card was rated for and overvolting the card beyond what was 'safe'.

I only upgraded because newer games started to get unplayable at 4k ultra, and I am not one for lowering the graphics down.

But on this brand new 5700xt, with a bigger cooler and one more fan, it can't handle the same power my old 970 had been put through? I don't understand that logic at all.

Sorry for the little rant.

[L37]

Among the other things it might be chip size. Do not know how it compares to 970, but if it is smaller it might explain such difference.
Might try liquid metal if you are into that sort of stuff, have to be extremely carefull not to short things though.

[Snow]

Messaggio originale di L37:

One thing i can tell is 5700XT has terrible performance/power scaling when overclocking above ~2000Ghz.

I'd say anything has terrible performance/power above 2000GHz. Last time I did that I had to use a supernova as a power supply.

[L37]

Messaggio originale di Snow:

I'd say anything has terrible performance/power above 2000GHz. Last time I did that I had to use a supernova as a power supply.

Yeah that's a typo :)
Another version of this would be intending to write voltage in millivolts but missing "m", did that too...
I'll correct the typo to avoid confusing people.

[SoldierScar]

Messaggio originale di Flukey:

But at what resolution though? That 2fps could be 5 or 10 in certain areas of the game, just because the avg goes up by a little - the frametimes could be better - your min fps could be better... Or if its at 4k, that extra 2-5fps is like 10 to 15fps at 1440p.

I play at 1440p, and tested it in multiple games, every 50mhz is like 1 or 1.5 fps at max, so youre really wrong about 10-15 fps..overclocking above 2000mhz is very inefficient unless you won the silicon lottery and can run something like 2050/1100 or 2100/1120. Id rather have 2 fps less than having the gpu eat 50 more watts, having 80c temps and sound like a jet engine.

[DoomSlayer]

Messaggio originale di SoldierScar:

Messaggio originale di Flukey:

But at what resolution though? That 2fps could be 5 or 10 in certain areas of the game, just because the avg goes up by a little - the frametimes could be better - your min fps could be better... Or if its at 4k, that extra 2-5fps is like 10 to 15fps at 1440p.

I play at 1440p, and tested it in multiple games, every 50mhz is like 1 or 1.5 fps at max, so youre really wrong about 10-15 fps..overclocking above 2000mhz is very inefficient unless you won the silicon lottery and can run something like 2050/1100 or 2100/1120. Id rather have 2 fps less than having the gpu eat 50 more watts, having 80c temps and sound like a jet engine.

Okay. No wonder my games weren't stable. My Strix also has that cooler mounting problem. As seen in the following 20 second clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFpGUWSgbA

See that gap between the PCB and the cooler? Yeah. I'm a little pissed off that I didn't notice this before and the fact that Asus STILL didn't fix the problem when their card has been out of months now.

Its just the fact that, I spent over $600 for this card - mainly for the cooler and the overclock potential. You'd expect your $600 card to work properly without any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hidden issues.

Now that I saw a video on this 'fixed' version of my card, temps should be around 60 to 65c, and low 50s with the fans maxed out. That's how it should've ran when I got it.

Secondly, Do not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ overclock and throw tons of voltage at your Strix 5700 XTs without constantly monitoring temps and making sure you don't have the same issue. I did the exact opposite here, I got damn lucky I didn't damage the card by overvolting when the cooler wasn't even properly attached to the PCB.

Asus better hope I didn't cause and damage to it, as I blamed those blackscreens or the CPU or PSU - and now that I am aware of this, have my last two word for Asus, ♥♥♥♥ you.

If anyone has the same card and the same issue, please tell me how you fixed it. Thanks.

Edit -

Fixed. I fixed it by swapping the screws as seen in the photo below, which I found on Asus's forums. I'll report back to this post on how the temps are after trying some games.

https://mobilarena.hu/dl/upc/2019-10/47356_20191021_160845.jpg
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?114668-STRIX-5700-XT-Screw-Heatsink-Mounting-Problem

[DoomSlayer]

After playing Killing Floor 2 for a good 15-20 mins, the game and the GPU ran way better than it used to be. As soon as I would enter the game before I fixed the cooler, the GPU temp would immediately shoot up to 60c and still climb regardless if the GPU fans are maxed out or not.

Now that I swapped the screws, the card was a lot more stable, it didn't have sudden temperature spikes unlike before. But, as you can see in the photo - now that cooler is properly on the card its soaking up more heat and is able to dissipate it decently well considering my case temps and room temps are warm themselves. And my case fans have a lot to be desired. They're pure old pieces of junk, but they work and that's whats important, its better than nothing..

Here's a screenshot of my gpus settings, as well as the temperatures in HWiNFO. The card is being pushed hard at 4k, expect the temps to be higher than what they would normally be.

https://imgur.com/a/bjJlAkl

[L37]

So looking at those screenshot...
102C Tjunction, 350W power draw, 2099Mhz GPU clock, ~3300RPM fan...
I'd say still way too much power, too hot and too loud. Or am i reading this wrong?

As for mounting issues... IMO returning defective card and buying something else is the best option.
It is interesting how many bad non-reference 5700(XT) cards were released, msi with their vram pad issues, xfx with terrible cooler, and now asus... seems almost like customers take things like ths too loghtly and as a result manufacturers simply do not care.