i7 9700k or wait for 10700k??

[CereaL KillA]

Building new PC would really mean alot of you guys can suggest me a few things. This is the build I'm going for, do you guys think i should wait or change anything?

- i7 9700k
- MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151
- MSI RTX 2070 SUPER
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
- Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler
- Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W Power Supply
- Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

Any suggestions, would really appreciate it?

[hawkeye]

引用自 SHREDDER：

引用自 vadim：

You mixed up the words "smart" and "poor". If this were the case as you say, no one would buy a Ferrari. Volkswagen Golf would be enough for everyone.

What can 9900k or 10900k can do in games that 3900x or 3700x cant do? NOTHING. All 4 cpus runs evrything at max settings with more than 100 fps but the intel cpus are much more expensive with more expensive motherboards comapred to ryzen 3000 and motherboards. Buying any intel cpu and motherboard now makes no sense when amd give us such high end cpus and perfomance at a much lower cost.

All cpus are cheap, they aren't expensive. They cost less than $1 a week over the life of the cpu. Who can't afford that? I spend more on coffee a week than all my pc's put together.

[ㄒㄖ尺几ㄩ卩ㄒㄖ]

引用自 SHREDDER：

引用自 Zen：

Ignore Shredder, he has no idea what he's talking about.

I know exactly what iam talking about.I am pc user since 1996 and i have done countless ugprades and i read daily all the news about pcs!

That only makes me even more disappointed, because I expected more from you than false baloney.

引用自 SHREDDER：

引用自 vadim：

You mixed up the words "smart" and "poor". If this were the case as you say, no one would buy a Ferrari. Volkswagen Golf would be enough for everyone.

What can 9900k or 10900k can do in games that 3900x or 3700x cant do? NOTHING. All 4 cpus runs evrything at max settings with more than 100 fps but the intel cpus are much more expensive with more expensive motherboards comapred to ryzen 3000 and motherboards. Buying any intel cpu and motherboard now makes no sense when amd give us such high end cpus and perfomance at a much lower cost.

10th gen isn't even out yet for desktops...

3900X and 3700X are barely an improvement over 3600X, and all of them are beaten in games by the 9700K.

3900X gets less gaming performance than the 9700K and costs more than it, because it's more for productivity than gaming.

X570 and Z390 have the same price ranges... You have no idea what you're talking about. They're the same now in the high end chipsets.

[Zireth]

引用自 SHREDDER：

I know exactly what iam talking about.

No you don't.

[Shalix]

引用自 SHREDDER：

what can 9900k or 10900k can do in games that 3900x or 3700x cant do? NOTHING.

So for this comment, this is just not true. What they can do is give higher frame rates then the 3900x and the 3700x. - Which is what Intel does. Intel has amazing CPU's for gaming. The stock version of i5-9600K does comparable frame rates to the 3700x,3800x and 3900x (within a 10FPS+- margin)

It really would be great if you looked at the benchmark provided here:

YouTube™ 视频: Intel i7-4790K & i5-4690K in 2020: Benchmarks vs. Ryzen 3600, 9700K 

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The Intel i7-4790K and i5-4690K CPUs were leaders of their era, but it's been long enough that owners might be looking to upgrade to modern Intel i7/i9 CPUs or AMD R5/R7 CPUs.

^ Honestly, it's really valuable to look at the benchmarks here. Highly recommend actually looking at how the extra core from the AMD CPU's perform in comparison to the "lack" of cores as everyone points out with the Intel CPU's.

So for what the 9700K/9900K can do is to run games at 144FPS, for a 1080/1440p 144Hz monitor, more often then not, at ultra-high settings. If you are targeting 144FPS, then having the extra frames from the Intel CPU's is very valuable, which makes up for the cost for those willing to pay to get to the golden standard of 1440p/144Hz.
Often there is a 20+ FPS gap between the 3900x and 9700K (stock speeds), and that is the value.

Same if you would try to go for 4K 60FPS, having additional frames is crucial. - Well worth the money if that is the standard you want to go for.

[Zireth]

引用自 SHREDDER：

引用自 vadim：

You mixed up the words "smart" and "poor". If this were the case as you say, no one would buy a Ferrari. Volkswagen Golf would be enough for everyone.

What can 9900k or 10900k can do in games that 3900x or 3700x cant do? NOTHING. All 4 cpus runs evrything at max settings with more than 100 fps but the intel cpus are much more expensive with more expensive motherboards comapred to ryzen 3000 and motherboards. Buying any intel cpu and motherboard now makes no sense when amd give us such high end cpus and perfomance at a much lower cost.

and I thought intel diehards were bad.

[Shalix]

引用自 Ren：

and I thought intel diehards were bad.

Haha, right? I mean. You choose the correct tool for what you do. If you wanna dig out a foundation with a spoon instead of a shovel then so be it. The shovel will still outperform the spoon xD

Intel = Single threaded/Games
AMD = Multi threaded/Rendering (But not *bad* for games whatsoever)

[vadim]

引用自 SHREDDER：

Buying any intel cpu and motherboard now makes no sense when amd give us such high end cpus and perfomance at a much lower cost.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

[SHREDDER]

引用自 vadim：

引用自 SHREDDER：

Buying any intel cpu and motherboard now makes no sense when amd give us such high end cpus and perfomance at a much lower cost.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

As i sad i have bought 3 intel and 3 amd cpus until now(486 pentium 4 athlon xp athlon x2 core i5 2500k ryzen 7 1700). But after realizing how intel has been stealing our money for so long while making little progress and selling their cpus very expensive because they had not competition from amd i decided to never buy intel again.

[SHREDDER]

引用自 Shalix：

引用自 SHREDDER：

what can 9900k or 10900k can do in games that 3900x or 3700x cant do? NOTHING.

So for this comment, this is just not true. What they can do is give higher frame rates then the 3900x and the 3700x. - Which is what Intel does. Intel has amazing CPU's for gaming. The stock version of i5-9600K does comparable frame rates to the 3700x,3800x and 3900x (within a 10FPS+- margin)

It really would be great if you looked at the benchmark provided here:

YouTube™ 视频: Intel i7-4790K & i5-4690K in 2020: Benchmarks vs. Ryzen 3600, 9700K 

观看：438,601 次

The Intel i7-4790K and i5-4690K CPUs were leaders of their era, but it's been long enough that owners might be looking to upgrade to modern Intel i7/i9 CPUs or AMD R5/R7 CPUs.

^ Honestly, it's really valuable to look at the benchmarks here. Highly recommend actually looking at how the extra core from the AMD CPU's perform in comparison to the "lack" of cores as everyone points out with the Intel CPU's.

So for what the 9700K/9900K can do is to run games at 144FPS, for a 1080/1440p 144Hz monitor, more often then not, at ultra-high settings. If you are targeting 144FPS, then having the extra frames from the Intel CPU's is very valuable, which makes up for the cost for those willing to pay to get to the golden standard of 1440p/144Hz.
Often there is a 20+ FPS gap between the 3900x and 9700K (stock speeds), and that is the value.

Same if you would try to go for 4K 60FPS, having additional frames is crucial. - Well worth the money if that is the standard you want to go for.

For today games all 8 core cpus can run them with more than 100 fps on max settings. If 9900k can run some specific games a little faster it dont matter bcause 3900x and 3700x will run them very fast too. Which is why as i said , in 2017 when i had to choose between 7700k and 1700 i chosoed 1700. Do you think that i should had coosed 7700k? Since you say now that it is better to chosoe a 1+ year old cpu(9900k) than newer more powerful 3900x or 3700x.

[Zireth]

引用自 SHREDDER：

引用自 vadim：

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

As i sad i have bought 3 intel and 3 amd cpus until now(486 pentium 4 athlon xp athlon x2 core i5 2500k ryzen 7 1700). But after realizing how intel has been stealing our money for so long while making little progress and selling their cpus very expensive because they had not competition from amd i decided to never buy intel again.

Still you shouldn't have biases in your information. I will acknowledge error, but never inflict my personal biases in something meant to help.

[Shalix]

引用自 SHREDDER：

For today games all 8 core cpus can run them with more than 100 fps on max settings. If 9900k can run some specific games a little faster it dont matter bcause 3900x and 3700x will run them very fast too.

I see you have yet again ignored the benchmarks. Good job, there is not "some specific games" The only games the 3900x beats the 9700K is.... None, not a single one of the benchmarked games, and the games chosen are very varied.

Also on a side note, just because something is older, does not mean it's worse.
The 7700K still trades blows with the 3900x even if the 7700K has 8 cores less and 16 threads less. Not bad for a "old" CPU" huh? ;)

[Zireth]

引用自 Shalix：

引用自 SHREDDER：

For today games all 8 core cpus can run them with more than 100 fps on max settings. If 9900k can run some specific games a little faster it dont matter bcause 3900x and 3700x will run them very fast too.

I see you have yet again ignored the benchmarks. Good job, there is not "some specific games" The only games the 3900x beats the 9700K is.... None, not a single one of the benchmarked games, and the games chosen are very varied.

Also on a side note, just because something is older, does not mean it's worse.
The 7700K still trades blows with the 3900x even if the 7700K has 8 cores less and 16 threads less. Not bad for a "old" CPU" huh? ;)

I can verify this as true. I also looked at 6700k vs 3900x, the preformance loss was almost 10fps which is almost meaningless when you factor in a 4.6ghz overclock on the 6700k and a 2080 planning for 1440p 144fps.

I would only go for a 3900x if you do professional work. 9900k would be my gaming choice from an overclockers and a gamers standpoint.

[SHREDDER]

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores. That why i bought ryzen 7 1700 instead of core i7 7700k and if wanted to upgrade again at this time i would had got 3900x instead of core i9 9990k. When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

[Zireth]

引用自 SHREDDER：

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores. That why i bought ryzen 7 1700 instead of core i7 7700k and if wanted to upgrade again at this time i would had got 3900x instead of core i9 9990k. When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

For the last time, more cores do not mean better performance in gaming. We've gone over this like 3 times. I would prefer higher speed to core count in gaming.

If you have nothing factual to say, it's best not to post.

[Shalix]

引用自 SHREDDER：

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores.

When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

Fun thing is that, 8 core CPU's have been popular since 2013, when the current console generation launched (Yes, it's that old.) Playstation 4 and Xbox One are both from 2013, and used a 8-core CPU. The games ARE optimized for 4+/8 cores.

You keep saying "did the right choice", it might be YOUR right choice, but don't impose that and keep lying that it's the only choice for everyone.