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Errr.. I'm not sure I'd trust a blog website like that, with no information who the author is. Not to mention it's one that I've never heard of, and I feel like I'm pretty well versed when it comes to reliable information when it comes to PC parts. Also, just so you know. It's just information on how many CPU's are sold, nothing about the performance on them.
Now, would be great if you'd have more reliable information about the PERFORMANCE, and not sales.
Yeah, very unreliable information on that site. You should start reading up on sites like:
Tomsguide.com
Techspot.com
Gamersnexus.net
They all have very reliable information and have all great benchmarks.
Games are not even close to being optimised for 12 cores yet. Just because the 3900X and 3950X is out, doesn't mean games are optimised for all of those threads, and Ryzen 9 CPUs in particular are not good CPUs for raw gaming when both chiplets are active. You often have to restrict games to using only one chiplet, or disable CCD 2 entirely with Game Mode from Ryzen Master. Ryzen 9 CPUs are no better gaming chips than the Ryzen 5 3600X because they are PRODUCTIVITY CPUs, the focus was on multi-threaded results, not single-threaded. The gap between 5 and 9 is absolutely tiny for gamers and not at all worth it beyond the 3600X for users who only wish to play games on their PC.
7700K holds up far better in games than the 1700, which is matched the the 4C/4T 6600K rather easily, as it doesn't have the IPC and clocks to hold its own against it unless the 6600K is being limited by its lower thread count -- but that issue is not common by any means as the majority of games use 4 threads at most and even games optimised well for 6 threads can still run very capably on 4 thread CPUs like the 6600K.
By time all 4 core CPUs from Intel are getting "way less performance," it'll be because those CPUs will be too old and outdated to keep up. That will take several years to take place, because the 7700K matches the 3600 consistently, despite the lower core count, because it has the IPC and frequencies as well as overclock potential to hold its own for years to come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSe31NVntzc Look at the averages. There is literally ZERO REASON to buy a Ryzen 9 CPU if you don't need the productivity performance increase over the 3700X.
The 1700 is a far weaker than the 2700X and 3600, which both hold back the 2080 Ti, so I guarantee that even a single 3080 Ti will be too much for the 1700 to handle.
Buying it for 1440p 60Hz would be the absolute stupidest waste of money, because you can get 60 FPS at 1440p with a 2060-Super.
I know you're going to bring up raytracing, but it's NOT WORTH IT. If you can't accept that, that's why people say you're a troll.
More like 10~20 FPS at 1440p.
2080 Ti itself can do 120+ at 1440p, 60 Hz with a 3080 Ti would be a massive waste of money. Wait for the 3060, it'll likely be 2070S performance for the cost of a 2060.
This thread is not yours. Open your own thread about that specific question and I will gladly answer that.
Now please leave this thread and all the other ones you keep copy pasting your PC specs in.
He's done this to like 3 other threads lol
There is always a bottleneck.
A true bottleneck would be pairing a 2080 Ti with a weak dual-core CPU.
If you don't care that the 3080 Ti would be a massive waste of money at 1440p 60Hz, then you shouldn't be allowed to handle money and should be paying a financial adviser to tell you how stupid your upgrade choices are for your wallet.
Nor can you even afford a top tier GPU like the 2080 Ti (prices will NOT CHANGE with 3000 series) with your salary, you make less than people making minimum wage in my country do when you convert your currency to mine.
People making minimum wage in my country can't even afford to live on their own right now, so there's absolutely no way in hell you'd be able to afford a 3080 Ti, let alone 2. Which is a good thing, because you won't be able to waste an expensive card when you could spend less money on a 3080 and 1440p 144Hz.
Best thing to do is ignore him, and he'll fade into obscurity.
Many have tried and failed. It's futile.
He never stops, and letting him spread misinformation can be harmful to users who know very little about hardware/software.
In this case, this discussion has been answered and given correct information from a select few, which have been highlighted.
Unless the OP has more questions, let's leave this as this has been going on for long enough now :)
TLDR; Wait for the 10700K if you can, longer life then the 9700K
People report him all of the time, but I've only seen him get banned once.
He's not actually doing anything innately wrong on the forum beyond hijacking threads (effectively going off-topic half of the time) because despite the misinformation, he's very civil about it and never blows up on anyone, which makes it exceedingly difficult to give moderators a reason to punish him for continuously ranting by incorrect or blatantly stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
He:
1. Asked more than a few times if he should get 1 or 2 2080 Ti's, and now 1 or 2 3080 Ti's
2. Stated what he makes per year (which is less than minimum wage workers make in my country, and THOSE people can barely afford to live.)
3. Preached (falsely) about how "good" his "monster high end PC" is despite dozens of people telling him that his PC is mid-range at best.
4. Preached (falsely) about how AMD octa-core CPUs are better than Intel's quad-cores for games, even though the 4C/4T 6600K slams his 8C/16T 1700 in a lot of games due to higher IPC in favor of the 6600K in single-thread, which is the real important factor in gaming, not core count.
5. Talked about how he killed his 2500K with an OC because he has no idea how to run a safe overclock, and that's why he upgraded to his 1700.
6. Continuously rants about how he's going to buy a top end card for 1440p 60Hz, which is the most ridiculous and stupid idea I've ever heard, even worse than intentionally trying to start a third world war.
7. Ignores all tech advice from anyone other than some dude he pays to work on his PC for him, which he admitted many times to the forum in the past, even though he says he's done work himself since 1996.
8. Recently makes absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ statements about the 3900X being a good gaming CPU, when it is a PRODUCTIVITY CPU. You have to run game mode on Ryzen 9 to effectively play games without heavy stuttering in situations that push the CPU, because there's too much latency between Ryzen 9's two chiplets, which severely holds it back in tasks like games. It's also within a few percent of the 3600X in games, often only within 10 FPS, but the 3600X costs literally less than half as much.
He's done much more than what I've listed though. He's easily one of the most annoyingly persistent users on the forum, and definitely one of the most effective trolls.