i7 9700k or wait for 10700k??

[CereaL KillA]

Building new PC would really mean alot of you guys can suggest me a few things. This is the build I'm going for, do you guys think i should wait or change anything?

- i7 9700k
- MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151
- MSI RTX 2070 SUPER
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
- Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler
- Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W Power Supply
- Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

Any suggestions, would really appreciate it?

[SHREDDER]

When next generation of graphics cards release they will run better on ryzen 3700x and 3900x than 10700k especialy those that will be more powerful than 2080 ti.

[SHREDDER]

Publicado originalmente por Shalix:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores.

When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

Fun thing is that, 8 core CPU's have been popular since 2013, when the current console generation launched (Yes, it's that old.) Playstation 4 and Xbox One are both from 2013, and used a 8-core CPU. The games ARE optimized for 4+/8 cores.

You keep saying "did the right choice", it might be YOUR right choice, but don't impose that and keep lying that it's the only choice for everyone.

Publicado originalmente por Shalix:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores.

When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

Fun thing is that, 8 core CPU's have been popular since 2013, when the current console generation launched (Yes, it's that old.) Playstation 4 and Xbox One are both from 2013, and used a 8-core CPU. The games ARE optimized for 4+/8 cores.

You keep saying "did the right choice", it might be YOUR right choice, but don't impose that and keep lying that it's the only choice for everyone.

they were very expensive at that time because amd didnt have cpus as good as intel. it in 2017 they became popular with the first ryzen 7. My next upgrade will be graphics card only(rtx 3080ti or better) and i dont care if wont get 144 fps at max settings in all game. i will not change cpu again just to get 144 fps in all games i will change only the graphics card.

[Shalix]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

When next generation of graphics cards release they will run better on ryzen 3700x and 3900x than 10700k especialy those that will be more powerful than 2080 ti.

As so what you say, yet again is "I have no facts to base any of my comments on so I will just keep doing guesswork and lies"

Thanks for the fun though. Gave me some laughs! :)

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores. That why i bought ryzen 7 1700 instead of core i7 7700k and if wanted to upgrade again at this time i would had got 3900x instead of core i9 9990k. When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

Ryzen 9 is worse for you than Ryzen 5 or 7 because Ryzen 9 has two separate chiplets instead of just a single one like with the line-ups below 9.

To put it in simple terms, when a game is allowed to use all cores across both chiplets in Ryzen 9, performance drops because there's a delay where the chiplets have to work together. AMD increased cache with Ryzen 9 to try and solve that issue, but it didn't really work because it's still too slow.

I have a 3900X and I have to either disable SMT/use Game Mode in Ryzen Master, or use programs like Prio Process Priority Saver to set and save core affinity on a specific process to use a specific amount of threads that are on only one of two chiplets. The result is massively better performance than allowing all cores to be used as normal, because the other chiplet just isn't being used. Personally, I use programs like PPPS because I need SMT to make full use of what Ryzen 9 is actually designed for; productivity.
For gaming, one does not need to go higher than the 3600X, but one can still opt for a 3700X or 3800X and get more or less the same gaming performance as the 3900X for less.

[SHREDDER]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

I dont do professional work but i go with the more cores because more and more games are optimized to use 8 or 12 cores. That why i bought ryzen 7 1700 instead of core i7 7700k and if wanted to upgrade again at this time i would had got 3900x instead of core i9 9990k. When all games will be using many cores and threads those who bought intel cpu with less cores will be gettting much less perfomance than those of us who did the right choice and got ryzen with more cores than intel with less cores.

Ryzen 9 is worse for you than Ryzen 5 or 7 because Ryzen 9 has two separate chiplets instead of just a single one like with the line-ups below 9.

To put it in simple terms, when a game is allowed to use all cores across both chiplets in Ryzen 9, performance drops because there's a delay where the chiplets have to work together. AMD increased cache with Ryzen 9 to try and solve that issue, but it didn't really work because it's still too slow.

I have a 3900X and I have to either disable SMT/use Game Mode in Ryzen Master, or use programs like Prio Process Priority Saver to set and save core affinity on a specific process to use a specific amount of threads that are on only one of two chiplets. The result is massively better performance than allowing all cores to be used as normal, because the other chiplet just isn't being used. Personally, I use programs like PPPS because I need SMT to make full use of what Ryzen 9 is actually designed for; productivity.
For gaming, one does not need to go higher than the 3600X, but one can still opt for a 3700X or 3800X and get more or less the same gaming performance as the 3900X for less.

But when better cards release wouldnt they need ryzen 9 3900x to work at 100% of their power? if the rumors abour rtx 3000 being 50% better than 2080ti are true, then it will need a 3900x for better perfomance than 3600x or 3700x, right? Or will such a graphics card have the same perfomance on 3900x and 3700x?

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Ryzen 9 is worse for you than Ryzen 5 or 7 because Ryzen 9 has two separate chiplets instead of just a single one like with the line-ups below 9.

To put it in simple terms, when a game is allowed to use all cores across both chiplets in Ryzen 9, performance drops because there's a delay where the chiplets have to work together. AMD increased cache with Ryzen 9 to try and solve that issue, but it didn't really work because it's still too slow.

I have a 3900X and I have to either disable SMT/use Game Mode in Ryzen Master, or use programs like Prio Process Priority Saver to set and save core affinity on a specific process to use a specific amount of threads that are on only one of two chiplets. The result is massively better performance than allowing all cores to be used as normal, because the other chiplet just isn't being used. Personally, I use programs like PPPS because I need SMT to make full use of what Ryzen 9 is actually designed for; productivity.
For gaming, one does not need to go higher than the 3600X, but one can still opt for a 3700X or 3800X and get more or less the same gaming performance as the 3900X for less.

But when better cards release wouldnt they need ryzen 9 3900x to work at 100% of their power? if the rumors abour rtx 3000 being 50% better than 2080ti are true, then it will need a 3900x for better perfomance than 3600x or 3700x, right? Or will such a graphics card have the same perfomance on 3900x and 3700x?

You're not understanding. Using both chiplets is the problem, because there's too much latency between the two chiplets. You HAVE to limit games to using only one chiplet by using Ryzen Master's Game Mode or some other program that allows you to control what threads are used in a specific process.

As long as that latency is present, Ryzen 5 and 7 can actually BEAT the 3900X because they only have a single chiplet, thus no latency in those CPUs.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

@SHREDDER Jesus Christ we went over this **** like years now, more cores does not means higher FPS, never have been like that. You're thinking about it all wrong... Cool more cores, means can do more things, not better performance in single task, that I kept on telling you for years now. As long Intel holds the better IPC, it will holds the better performance, hence higher FPS. I clearly told you this back in 2017...

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

But when better cards release wouldnt they need ryzen 9 3900x to work at 100% of their power? if the rumors abour rtx 3000 being 50% better than 2080ti are true, then it will need a 3900x for better perfomance than 3600x or 3700x, right? Or will such a graphics card have the same perfomance on 3900x and 3700x?

On what planet? That's not how it works... If GPU not being used correctly it means either A) The game not fully using the GPU, either due to being FPS capped, or was not made to make use of the GPU in the following matter such as old games, poorly optimize games, or etc, or B) Something holding it back either due to using a processor that's not able to handle the task, or something else.

Rumors are rumors atm, Nvidia wants to dip their toes into something new, problem is we have no idea if the claim will be true, plus how this will work for the new tech which I assume they're doing a stacking layer for the GPU die, which if they're going to do what rumors saying, then I assume at least upwards to what being claim, but question would this means more power draw, and other questions that be asked.

Also more cores is not the answer you're looking at, and you keep thinking about it all wrong...

[vadim]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

When next generation of graphics cards release they will run better on ryzen 3700x and 3900x than 10700k especialy those that will be more powerful than 2080 ti.

It seems to me, he's just trolling us.

[Zireth]

Publicado originalmente por vadim:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

When next generation of graphics cards release they will run better on ryzen 3700x and 3900x than 10700k especialy those that will be more powerful than 2080 ti.

It seems to me, he's just trolling us.

That's his cruel existence. He'll never know anything else other than what he was manipulated to believe.

[SHREDDER]

Publicado originalmente por vadim:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

When next generation of graphics cards release they will run better on ryzen 3700x and 3900x than 10700k especialy those that will be more powerful than 2080 ti.

It seems to me, he's just trolling us.

No iam not trolling iam very serious. Anyway when the nect cards release since now i have

CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB
HDD2: 1 TB
PSU: CORSAIR 750M 750 WATT

Will it be better to get RTX 3080TI RTX 3080 or 2 RTX 3080 TI? What will it be best? Rest of the system will remain as it is as i ugpraded evtything else in 2017.

[vadim]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

Will it be better to get RTX 3080TI RTX 3080 or 2 RTX 3080 TI? What will it be best? Rest of the system will remain as it is as i ugpraded evtything else in 2017.

Neither. You will get heavy CPU bottleneck with your current monitor.

[SHREDDER]

Publicado originalmente por vadim:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

Will it be better to get RTX 3080TI RTX 3080 or 2 RTX 3080 TI? What will it be best? Rest of the system will remain as it is as i ugpraded evtything else in 2017.

Neither. You will get heavy CPU bottleneck with your current monitor.

But at least evryrhing will be running with ray tracing at max settings 1440p 60 fps and that will be huge improvement comapred to 30-40 or 50 fps max settings 1440p that iam currently playing with gtx 970.

[Zane]

OP asked for advice on two specific CPU's and this is what they got.. what a nightmare xD

[SHREDDER]

https://www.smalltechnews.com/archives/52200 See amd is murdering intel/ OP dont do the mistake to get 10700k or 9700k get 3700x or 3900x or even 3600x if you dont want to spent lot of money.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

https://www.smalltechnews.com/archives/52200 See amd is murdering intel/ OP dont do the mistake to get 10700k or 9700k get 3700x or 3900x or even 3600x if you dont want to spent lot of money.

Really SHREDDER, really, did your brain turn off, and forgot what the subject was even about?
https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM