Is my pc low mid or high end ? :: Hardware and Operating Systems

Monk 2018년 8월 12일 오후 12시 09분

Well, it's not us being pools, were looking at it from a pure where in the !ineup does it stand, the 1070 is literally middle of the pack with regards to what's above and below it, the 1700, while a very good CPU for any kind of professional tasks, cannot keep up with Intel in gaming, and now has a bunch of faster newer chips ahead of it.

High end can only really consist of the top couple of components and then only until something new comes along, none of this diminishes how good a system is.

Hell even my i9 7900x is technically a mid tier chip, but it's all down to what you compare it next to.

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MancSoulja 2018년 8월 12일 오후 1시 01분

f_dog80님이 먼저 게시:
Damn I thought my PC was pretty decent. You guys calling this one low end.
I'd call it a higher end unit myself.

I have a i5 6600k, 6gb gtx 1060, 16gb ddr4, 500gb ssd, 2tb hdd. And thought I was mid range.

They're being a little over the top. Both the 1060 and 1070 are solid mid-range hardware. A 1070 is towards the higher end of mid-range.

OP has made some dodgy choices that bring down the overall quality of his build though. His mobo is about as low end as they come and the motherboard is the heart of any machine.

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Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism 2018년 8월 12일 오후 2시 09분

Migo님이 먼저 게시:
CPU: Ryzen r7 1700
GPU: EVGA Geforce GTX1070 8gb-p4-5170-kr,g ddr5
MOBO: GIGABYT GA-AB350
SSD: G.SKILL Ripjaw16gb(2x8gb) DDR4 320 mhz

High I'd say. Or high of mid.

X70 mat be mid to high in last generation but far fram all have that and they were expensive this time around so many have gone with x60 and x50.

Kᴀʏʜᴀɴ님이 먼저 게시:
MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:
I'm not sure why it matters but your PC is mid range.

Low Midrange*

I definitely don't agree.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Can't see who have what CPU but for GPUs:
GTX 1060: 7.69%
GTX 1050 Ti: 5.13%
GTX 1050: 3.34%
GTX 1070: 3.25%

So the three most popular Nvidia graphics cards used on Steam is slower than his.
0.50% with 1070 Tis, 2.3% with GTX 1080, 1.23% with 1080 Ti, 0.05% with Vega and 0.00% with Vega Frontier edition

If we just go with the DX12 systems. Meaning of those who run Windows 10 with a DX 12 graphics card only 4.08% have a better graphics card than he do. And if we step down to Windows 7 and DX11 cards and older then that will just decrease.

Very few people on Steam have a better graphics card than he do. The most popular cards are slower than his.

Now the CPU may not be the best for games and maybe that ends up being more mid-range in game performance and it will have a hard time performing about the worst part. Then again there's other things the processor is superior in. And his RAM is also way better than what the majority will have. I assume he's not running it at 3200 MHz though.

Migo님이 먼저 게시:
Kᴀʏʜᴀɴ님이 먼저 게시:

Low Midrange*
what should I change to make it better? Im just curious because ive been playing PUBG and the fps is not that good sometimes, specially playing Monster Hunter World.
Pls advise.

Ryzen have lower clock and higher memory latency than Intel do in general.

You happen to have the less power consuming 1700 model which will clock lower and that doesn't help with performance. If you check game benchmarks even with low resolution and high end graphics cards the i5 8600K (6 cores 6 threads) doesn't perform much worse than the i7 8700K (6 cores 12 threads.) By now a quad-core processor start to drag down performance a bit and there is a difference between these two processors but it's not large and you kinda have to run the game in an extreme situation to notice it.

As such your additional cores and threads may not help all that much and in games where the CPU limits the speed it will either be straight up from one core hitting 100% load or from that core sitting waiting for data from RAM instead.

What you can do with what you have is to begin with to overclock your memory controller and RAM and run at a higher speed there. I don't know what RAM you have got and what you can run it at. Also I don't know what reasonable voltages is for the first Ryzen platform. I assume 1.35 volt may still be seen as the top for the cpu cores to use and if the board use LLC maybe it can go over that. I don't know what a pretty safe overclock would be and I don't know what your motherboard support or what cooler you have but you could try to find out. As for RAM there exist a Ryzen RAM calculator which can help give some timings for RAM but it's not necessarily stable at those settings. You could update your BIOS and see if you could run your ram at say 2933 MHz. I wouldn't necessarily do so using XMP/DCOP, but I guess you could pick that profile and then set the SOC voltage yourself to something lower safer. Maybe it could work at 1.05 volt or so if that's somewhat decent for those Ryzen chips I don't know. Overclocking voids your warranty (theoretically at-least / by terms, as for whatever AMD can see that you've done it I don't know. I don't know if Ryzen master report anything back to AMD.) Higher temperatures and voltage do damage your processor over time because tiny amounts of material within it will move from one place to another changing the electrical properties of things. It happen more at high heat and high voltage than at low heat and low voltage.

Increasing memory frequency will improve the bus speed connecting your cores and connecting those and RAM as well as lowering memory and L3 cache latency from other cores. Lowering memory latency will lower memory .. latency. That mean that your processor cores will spend less time waiting for data. Increasing the clock rate when using all your cores will allow the processor to do things faster also helping performance.

That's what I would do now.

And then in spring / early summer / summer 2019 if Zen2 is out then you could sell the current processor and buy a Zen2 Ryzen 3000-series one which will perform better.

f_dog80님이 먼저 게시:
Damn I thought my PC was pretty decent. You guys calling this one low end.
I'd call it a higher end unit myself.

I have a i5 6600k, 6gb gtx 1060, 16gb ddr4, 500gb ssd, 2tb hdd. And thought I was mid range.

Interesting that it actually DO outperform your CPU here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0yfX8161M
I wouldn't thought so. Then again I don't think he do great benchmark runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xf5y02BJjs
Bump up the memory speed there and it won't do too bad.

6600K will eventually becoming "high-mid end" too, I guess it may already be there thanks to all the new processors whatever Ryzen 2000 series or Intel 8000 and 9000 ones.
But overclocked and with ultra settings at higher resolution it will matter less what CPU you have.
Even more so with a GTX 1060 6 GB.

GTX 1060 6 GB I would put at mid range but that doesn't mean that most games do have something similar. They don't. They are behind you.

But with Nvidia cards before x10-x30 has been desktop and video stuff.
x40-x45 light gaming.
x50 and x60 you start to be able to "game" on them but on a budget.
x60 and x70 likely where most people spent their money, 970 was definitely the most popular card before, 1060 is the most popular one but that's because prices has been so high.
x80 and x80 Ti for those who can afford it.

I guess it depend on whatever we talk about those who buy now, what are most popular now or what the median performance actually is like.

People have been buying 1060s but so many people are still stuck on older stuff that the average person doesn't reach up to that level.

And then maybe Nvidia originally saw the 1070 as mid range but at $500+ a piece ...

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Set-115689 2018년 8월 12일 오후 5시 20분

Maybe mid range. Your pc is pretty good. High end stuff costs ridiculous amounts of money and is overkill unless you want to do high end graphics stuff or other more buisness/educational type stuff. There's no real need to run a high end pc for regular people.

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Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism 2018년 8월 12일 오후 5시 51분

Set-115689님이 먼저 게시:
Maybe mid range. Your pc is pretty good. High end stuff costs ridiculous amounts of money and is overkill unless you want to do high end graphics stuff or other more buisness/educational type stuff. There's no real need to run a high end pc for regular people.

Well if we are separating like that then I guess the server gear AMD Epyc and Intel Xeon is higher end, the high-end entusiast stuff like AMD ThreadRipper and some Intel i7 and i9s are "high end consumer" or whatever and AMD Ryzen and Intel i3-i9 on the mainstream chipset are mainstream.

But I could see how people would had viewed the i7 and high-end, i5 as mig and i3 as low-end or such, and similarly with graphics cards. Depends on how you define it and here on Steam and relative other users whatever it's for gaming or not. Guess many may answer from a game perspective.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9227795
My Geekbench score with Ryzen 7 2700X stock with Noctua NH-U12 cooler and Corsair 3466 MHz CL16 RAM.

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Double Deez Nuts 2018년 8월 12일 오후 5시 53분

just because it doesnt have a 1080 ti doesnt mean its lower end

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Nabster 2018년 8월 12일 오후 5시 58분

We just like to put people down and show our superiority

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Monk 2018년 8월 12일 오후 7시 10분

🌋↪ToƦcH↩🌋님이 먼저 게시:
just because it doesnt have a 1080 ti doesnt mean its lower end

Actually, from a technical perspective, it kind of does.

1 Titan V
2 Titan Xp. High End
3 1080ti
4 1080
-----------------
5 1070ti
6 1070 Mid Tier
7 1060 6GB
------------------
8 1060 3GB
9 1050ti. Low End
10 1050
11 1050 3GB

The 1070 IS mid range, this is far from a bad thing.

As for a 1700, that's actually higher up the scale than the 1070, though when viewed from a performance perspective (ignoring TR and i9) for gaming there are 6 or 7 faster chips, which, kind of pushes it down a bit, again, technically, not that it changes anything or matters, however, no matter how many people may have weaker systems, that doesn't magically improve its performance.

A high end system, really does need to be running a 8700k / z370 / 1080 / 1080ti or an AMD vega64 / 2700 on a x370 platform.

Mid tier would be 1070ti / 1070 / 1060 6GB / vega56 / RX580 on an i5 / R5 platform running off a Bit series motherboard

With low including anything 1060 3GB / RX570 and i3 / R3 and down on an H series board really.

Only thing that matters is that a system does what you want it to do, not what tier / range of system it is, but, if people want to know, might as well be honest from an objective standpoint.

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HypersleepyNaputunia 2018년 8월 12일 오후 8시 53분

1.25 volt overclock at 3.7 ghz was stable for me
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1407260724

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hawkeye 2018년 8월 12일 오후 11시 29분

From a performance perspective OP's system is mid-range.

1) it has significantly lower performance than a high-end pc.
2) it has significantly better performance than a low-end pc.

The cpu leans towards high-end, especially if overclocked, but it doesn't have the high single-thread speed of the top intel cpu's. The single-thread speed is actually lower than second gen i7's from 2010.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2827-amd-r7-1700-review-amd-competes-with-its-1800x

The gpu is definitely mid-range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGJ7nTvw-KA

As with any system, if it meets the needs of the user there is no need to upgrade.

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Bad 💀 Motha 2018년 8월 13일 오전 12시 52분

Migo님이 먼저 게시:
Kᴀʏʜᴀɴ님이 먼저 게시:

Low Midrange*
what should I change to make it better? Im just curious because ive been playing PUBG and the fps is not that good sometimes, specially playing Monster Hunter World.
Pls advise.

Cause those games aren't optimized for one; you need an i7, no question about it.

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Sapph 2018년 8월 13일 오전 3시 13분

Monk님이 먼저 게시:
🌋↪ToƦcH↩🌋님이 먼저 게시:
just because it doesnt have a 1080 ti doesnt mean its lower end

Actually, from a technical perspective, it kind of does.

1 Titan V
2 Titan Xp. High End
3 1080ti
4 1080
-----------------
5 1070ti
6 1070 Mid Tier
7 1060 6GB
------------------
8 1060 3GB
9 1050ti. Low End
10 1050
11 1050 3GB

Titan V and Titan Xp/XP are on completely different market points though and shouldn't be bundled up with the Geforce cards.

Out of the Geforce cards it goes:

1080TI Enthusiast
---------
1080
1070Ti
1070 High End
---------
1060 6gb
1060 3gb Mid
---------
1050 TI
1050 3gb (newest BS addition to the line up)
1050 2gb Low End
---------
GT 1030 Entry-level

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InfinityJosh 2018년 8월 13일 오전 3시 46분

High end, is a monster PC for 1920x1080p, everything would run high settings 60+ fps, some games ultra.
Mid range is GTX 1060+i3 8100 (i5 7400) nowadays.

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Prof. Heck 2018년 8월 13일 오전 6시 40분

Its high mid. Whoever says that your pc is low or bad probably has the latest, greatest of em all.

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rotNdude 2018년 8월 13일 오전 8시 50분

We have a sticky thread where you can post your computer specs. If you are interested in upgrading your PC, post the amount of money you're willing to spend. Rate my computer threads are typically useless and subjective.

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