Are these timings fine for 3200mhz?

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I overclocked my 2133MHz kit to 3200Mhz. Before I was running them on 2666mhz 16-18-18 because I heard these sticks can't go higher...well they can. Can some RAM specialist tell me if these timings are fine and if not what should I change.
here are my actual timings: https://imgur.com/a/OZz2Rz5

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It's the 3000Mhz version, the 3600Mhz version cost 100$ more and it's non RGB, I don't know if it's worth spending that much because I only play games on this PC

It depends on the games. Open-world games and MMORPG's benefit heavily from high clocked ram. But most other games, not so much.

the difference in games between 3600 and 3000 MHz is minor alone because the 3600 come on heavy cost of higher timings...

HyperX Fury is one of the best RAM to OC btw.
If you want pretty mcuh the best RAM, the sweetspot is Samsung-B Die DDR4-3200 CL14.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gaming-benchmarks-ddr4-2133-mhz-vs-ddr4-3000-mhz-core-i7-6700k.231776/

If you look at other benchmarks aswell you see that the higher you go with the clock the less advantage you get. beyond 3200 MHz for gaming the advantage is about 0. Even in this benchmark you see that with 1-2 exeptions it makes no real difference between 3000MHz and 2133MHz. 1 or 2 games even perform worse.

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tacoshy původně napsal:

the difference in games between 3600 and 3000 MHz is minor alone because the 3600 come on heavy cost of higher timings...

HyperX Fury is one of the best RAM to OC btw.
If you want pretty mcuh the best RAM, the sweetspot is Samsung-B Die DDR4-3200 CL14.

Actually if you go look at the ram I posted on a previous page and actually read the previous posts in this thread, that's not true. It's just that "traditionally", most ram sold @ 3600 Mhz is CL-17, CL-18, or CL-19 for 3600 mhz. I actually found ram (and posted it here in this thread) that runs 3600 mhz @ CL-15-15-15-35. So using this ram, you can get the benefits of high speeds without the usual high timings associated with it.

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the difference in games between 3600 and 3000 MHz is minor alone because the 3600 come on heavy cost of higher timings...

HyperX Fury is one of the best RAM to OC btw.
If you want pretty mcuh the best RAM, the sweetspot is Samsung-B Die DDR4-3200 CL14.

Actually if you go look at the ram I posted on a previous page and actually read the previous posts in this thread, that's not true. It's just that "traditionally", most ram sold @ 3600 Mhz is CL-17, CL-18, or CL-19 for 3600 mhz. I actually found ram (and posted it here in this thread) that runs 3600 mhz @ CL-15-15-15-35. So using this ram, you can get the benefits of high speeds without the usual high timings associated with it.

that always OCing and running outside of garunteed specification which is soley depending on Silicion lottery. the chances that you can lwoer timing on a 3600MHz kit are about the same of the chances to oc a lower Kit with lwoer timings to the same frequencies...

However the fact that in most cases he wont get less of 1-2 fps difference is ahrdly the extra price of 100$ worth.

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However the fact that in most cases he wont get less of 1-2 fps difference is ahrdly the extra price of 100$ worth.

I'm assuming you're referring to benchmark/testing websites that try to claim memory speed doesn't matter. It does matter in some games, but not all of them. I've also already said that in this thread.

@Patent: If you plan to play a lot of MMORPG games (World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, etc) or open-world games (GTA-V, Fallout 4, etc) then faster ram would be useful to you. If these types of games are of no interest to you then I would suggest sticking to 2800-3000 mhz ram.

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I'll just get Ripjaws V or Trident Z RGB 3000/3200MHz, I went back to default settings because my RAM went crazy and I coudn't even boot PC. It was restarting every 5 seconds... I took out one stick and I finally managed to get into bios... I won't OC RAM anymore

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However the fact that in most cases he wont get less of 1-2 fps difference is ahrdly the extra price of 100$ worth.

I'm assuming you're referring to benchmark/testing websites that try to claim memory speed doesn't matter. It does matter in some games, but not all of them. I've also already said that in this thread.

@Patent: If you plan to play a lot of MMORPG games (World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, etc) or open-world games (GTA-V, Fallout 4, etc) then faster ram would be useful to you. If these types of games don't interest you then I would suggest sticking to 2800-3000 mhz ram.

Fallout 4 disgrees with your statement:
http://i.imgur.com/gUE3VEk.png

unfortunatly I didnt found same charts for GTA V. differenc between DDR4-2133 to DDR4-3600 is about 10 fps, so difference between 3200MHz and 3600MHz going to be 1-2 fps.... same for pretty much every game. Plenty youtube vids and benchmarks showing all the same.

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tacoshy původně napsal:

Fallout 4 disgrees with your statement:
http://i.imgur.com/gUE3VEk.png

unfortunatly I didnt found same charts for GTA V. differenc between DDR4-2133 to DDR4-3600 is about 10 fps, so difference between 3200MHz and 3600MHz going to be 1-2 fps.... same for pretty much every game. Plenty youtube vids and benchmarks showing all the same.

All of these "Benchmark and review" outfits on youtube and websites are just testing vanilla fallout 4. Try it with tons of mods in it. Me and a friend of mine both have i7-5820K x99 systems, we bought em at the same time. And we both have the same video card, GTX 1080 Ti now. Only difference is I have 2400 mhz ram in mine, and he has his ram clocked at 3400 mhz, most it will do, something like 3455. And we both play fallout 4 a lot, not all the same mods.. but we do at least both use the console commands to expand settlements to build beyond the stupid "build restrictions" imposed by bethesda and doing this with huge settlements, his system gets at least +15 to sometimes +20 FPS more than mine does. Also as well, his system gets about +15 to +17 more minimum FPS in guild wars 2 in the middle of town with hundreds of people around on epic settings. We both have high refresh rate 1080p screens, mine's 100hz, his is 144hz. In GW2 his system runs around 70-75 FPS in the middle of towns in GW2, mine runs around 50-58 FPS in the same towns. I've been to his house and seen it with my eyes in real life.

Ram speed does matter, under certain situations in certain games. You can't just go by these stupid "benchmark review" websites.

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unfortunatly you still dont see the big difference I tellign you and the benchmark is telling you:

the fps difference between 2400MHz to 3000Mhz is high. The difference between 3200 and 3600Mhz is very low... not even more then 1-2 fps most times. It not a linear imporvment its a curve where the efefct the higher you go becomes more and more less. Beyond 3200MHz you payign 50% more but the difference at that point becomes nearly 0. But yeah every benchmark on the internet and etst of course is wrong about that.

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tacoshy původně napsal:

unfortunatly you still dont see the big difference I tellign you and the benchmark is telling you:

the fps difference between 2400MHz to 3000Mhz is high. The difference between 3200 and 3600Mhz is very low... not even more then 1-2 fps most times. It not a linear imporvment its a curve where the efefct the higher you go becomes more and more less. Beyond 3200MHz you payign 50% more but the difference at that point becomes nearly 0. But yeah every benchmark on the internet and etst of course is wrong about that.

Well if you want the best possible performance out of your computer... and you have the money.. why not get the best performance possible. Even if it is slightly less, why settle for something less than the best?

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Well if you want the best possible performance out of your computer... and you have the money.. why not get the best performance possible. Even if it is slightly less, why settle for something less than the best?

So you recommend to pay in a bad case 50% more on RAM to get avg instead of 62 fps then 63 fps?

PS: DO simple math: The cheapest DDR4-3600 is CL19, DDR4-3200 CL14 cost even less. And now do the math:

DDR4-3600 CL19
-> (1 sec / 3,600,000,000) x 19

DDR4-3200 CL14
-> (1 sec / 3,200,000,000) x14

That are the times to do operations. which one is faster?

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tacoshy původně napsal:

So you recommend to pay in a bad case 50% more on RAM to get avg instead of 62 fps then 63 fps?

PS: DO simple math: The cheapest DDR4-3600 is CL19, DDR4-3200 CL14 cost even less. And now do the math:

DDR4-3600 CL19
-> (1 sec / 3,600,000,000) x 19

DDR4-3200 CL14
-> (1 sec / 3,200,000,000) x14

That are the times to do operations. which one is faster?

You can't do simple / straight math equations to figure out how ram performance effects games and programs. Different latencies and speeds effect every program differently. Using tons of mods in certain games benefits more than without, etc. There's too many variables. In the end it boils down to money, how much to spend and what you want. Personally I'll be soon going for a broadwell chip and 3600 mhz ram and clock the ram as high as I possibly can. I don't care if it's "just 2 fps faster", I want the absolute possible performance out of my computer, every single last 1 or 0.5 FPS possible, including overclocking the video card and cpu and ram as far as all of it will possibly go and remain stable. It's my computer and I expect to exact every possible % of performance out of it, no matter how small.

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You can't do simple / straight math equations to figure out how ram performance effects games and programs. Different latencies and speeds effect every program differently. Using tons of mods in certain games benefits more than without, etc. There's too many variables. In the end it boils down to money, how much to spend and what you want. Personally I'll be soon going for a broadwell chip and 3600 mhz ram and clock the ram as high as I possibly can. I don't care if it's "just 2 fps faster", I want the absolute possible performance out of my computer, every single last 1 or 0.5 FPS possible, including overclocking the video card and cpu and ram as far as all of it will possibly go and remain stable. It's my computer and I expect to exact every possible % of performance out of it, no matter how small.

actually it is exactly simple math. the frequency doesnt give the ram its speed alone. It just saying how many clocks you have per seconds. but the clocks doesnt do a single thing. RAM needs to read and write data to work and those times that are needed are stated in the cas timings. So a high frequncy doesnt help you a single bit if your timing are then that high that they in the end need longer to read and write.

An I'm definetly an enthusiast I have been through that squeekign every single bit performance out espacially as a pretty good OC'ler in this forum.
You can do what youw ant with you pc by no means. but you actually want to read into how a PC actually work and not look at high numbers. Because often high numbers are not better.

Sidenote: Sicne you want to take DDR4-3600 you might want to understand basics about PC. Nice that you want to go for an old Broadwell Chip, you'll soon find out then that it does not support DDR4 because it is DDR3 and therefor you not getting any compatible 3600MHz RAM...

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tacoshy původně napsal:

An I'm definetly an enthusiast

tacoshy původně napsal:

Sidenote: Sicne you want to take DDR4-3600 you might want to understand basics about PC. Nice that you want to go for an old Broadwell Chip, you'll soon find out then that it does not support DDR4 because it is DDR3 and therefor you not getting any compatible 3600MHz RAM...

If you actually did know as much about computers as you claim, you would of read what I posted above where I stated I'm using a 5820K CPU currently. Which is Intel x99, which uses DDR4. And by stating I want a broadwell chip, I will also be going for another x99 chip. Which will also use DDR4. And clocked the exact same frequency, there is literally no IPC difference in broadwell vs coffee lake, or kaby lake. They're exactly the same IPC wise, despite the age.

Try actually reading before you make comments like that.

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ok so not Broadwell but Broadwell-E