Can Someone help me pick a processor :)

[Cat]

I'm just a little clueless.

I've a GTX 1070 (8gb, not the fancy ti)
running that with a very old processor i5-3470, and 8gb ddr3 ram. Yeah, I know.
I want to upgrade the motherboard, ram and cpu - probably the new ryzens so thinking this:

GTX 1070
ASRock B450 Steel Legend
16gb (2x8) ddr4 Corsair ram 3000mhz
Ryzen 3800x
1tb SSD

But I do rock a large screen, ultrawide 3440 x 1440. So I wonder, while the current cpu is definitely a bottleneck, is splashing on the new processor a waste of money? the new ryzens are pretty cheap with decent 3600 at under 200 euro so I'm thinking that's great, I only thought of getting 3700x for the prism cooler which I'd have to buy one too anyway. I play pretty much every genre but primarily strategies (Anno 1800, TW Warhammer 2) sometimes FPS (Overwatch, Far Cry) and sure RPGs etc. I obviously want those to run great, but I won't cry over new releases going at 30-45fps. Playable is good.

Core question being, given my GPU and large screen, which CPU is the sweetspot? Would it be a waste to go with 3700x/3800x?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Do you really want to use a stock cooler? They are all loud and barely do the job. Just grab a Hyper212 EVO V2

[Lord Flashheart]

It seems an 8 core CPU is a good idea according to this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESi2IGboM_c

[Bad 💀 Motha]

3600 is still stronger in gaming then a 2700X

[upcoast]

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

3600 is still stronger in gaming then a 2700X

It's not all about IPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLtkowdtks

https://www.techspot.com/review/1754-battlefield-5-cpu-multiplayer-bench/

Nothing wrong with the 2700x and most cpus now including the 3600 are just a stop gap waiting around for cheap Ryzen 7 4xxx after ddr5 platforms diminish ryzen 4000 value.

ps, and the 2700x has a good usable cooler on it.

pss, with a gtx1070 the gpu runs out of gas long before the 2700x.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

3600 is still stronger in gaming then a 2700X

It's not all about IPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLtkowdtks

https://www.techspot.com/review/1754-battlefield-5-cpu-multiplayer-bench/

Nothing wrong with the 2700x and most cpus now including the 3600 are just a stop gap waiting around for cheap Ryzen 7 4xxx after ddr5 platforms diminish ryzen 4000 value.

ps, and the 2700x has a good usable cooler on it.

pss, with a gtx1070 the gpu runs out of gas long before the 2700x.

IPC is huge. The 3600 outperforms the 2700X in most instances, even in multithreaded workloads, because of improvements to IPC and architecture with similar clocks.

The Wraith Prism is just behind a 212 EVO, but you need to flip the speed switch to high, which makes it loud.

[upcoast]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

It's not all about IPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLtkowdtks

https://www.techspot.com/review/1754-battlefield-5-cpu-multiplayer-bench/

Nothing wrong with the 2700x and most cpus now including the 3600 are just a stop gap waiting around for cheap Ryzen 7 4xxx after ddr5 platforms diminish ryzen 4000 value.

ps, and the 2700x has a good usable cooler on it.

pss, with a gtx1070 the gpu runs out of gas long before the 2700x.

IPC is huge. The 3600 outperforms the 2700X in most instances, even in multithreaded workloads, because of improvements to IPC and architecture with similar clocks.

The Wraith Prism is just behind a 212 EVO, but you need to flip the speed switch to high, which makes it loud.

Huge is subjective and like I said with the 1070 there's no concern.

The wraith prism on my 2700x is easily drowned out by the gtx1070 MSI armor.

You seam to argue about everything but short of opinion, canned responces or misinformation that's all you got.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1968-ryzen-3600-vs-2600-gaming-scaling/

At 1440p it's like splitting hairs ^ when it comes to min FPS.

https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/

https://www.techspot.com/review/1897-ryzen-5-ryzen-9-core-i9-gaming-scaling/

Then you can argue you're wasting time with the 3600 when the 3900x is clearly better, see it's an endless perspective.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

IPC is huge. The 3600 outperforms the 2700X in most instances, even in multithreaded workloads, because of improvements to IPC and architecture with similar clocks.

The Wraith Prism is just behind a 212 EVO, but you need to flip the speed switch to high, which makes it loud.

Huge is subjective and like I said with the 1070 there's no concern.

The wraith prism on my 2700x is easily drowned out by the gtx1070 MSI armor.

You seam to argue about everything but short of opinion, canned responces or misinformation that's all you got.

The 3600 is the same price, usually less, but performs better across the board. There is literally no logical reason to buy a 2700X.

The 1070 cooler isn't going to "drown out" the Prism's noise. It's going to be a louder system regardless unless he sets the fan curve to be docile until 70~80s.

You seem to be upset that I have a penchant for pointing out bad ideas. Choosing the 2700X over the 3600? Yeah, that's one of them. That is literally like choosing the 8700K over the 9700K.

[upcoast]

Nightcat seems to hold onto hardware for a while so for him/her 6 core is not a good idea so choosing a 3600 is a short sighted future vs the 2700x/3700x.

I'm more tired of the canned responses of ooooh get the 3600 it may as well be stickied but there are other options.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por upcoast:

Nightcat seems to hold onto hardware for a while so for him/her 6 core is not a good idea so choosing a 3600 is a short sighted future vs the 2700x/3700x.

I'm more tired of the canned responses of ooooh get the 3600 it may as well be stickied but there are other options.

You say "canned responses" yet it's widely accepted as fact that the 3600 is the best way to go right now, other than the 9700K. Literally everyone mentions it because it's accepted by everyone.

The extra cores don't mean much if the individual cores are too weak compared to what a particular program demands. Hence why older six core Xeons aren't nearly as good as they were before Ryzen.

4C/8T is also still very much alive, and by time 6/12 isn't enough for some reason, all of the CPUs out right now would be pretty outdated because AMD's creation of real competition for Intel is going to push CPU innovation forward much faster than we've seen since Sandy Bridge.

[Cat]

Thank you all for help, really appreciate it!

No worries in the end it's a lot about what prices I get but wanted to have an idea of what is around, get some ideas and get pushed to finally buy something. And really good pointers there.

Order placed and sorted. Went for the 3600x, 450b Tomahawk max and 16gb Corsair vengeance 3200mhz ram.
I was edging for the 3700-3800x but the prices were poor on amazon no discounts.... The selection on a 14C ram was very poor and expensive but a bit of googling suggests the corsairs will do great with the tomahawk.
And I'll definitely get the 212 Evo cooler if the stock doesn't perform. I'll try it out the box first though, it might be alright.

Really appreciate the help all :) Thank you!

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por NightCat:

Thank you all for help, really appreciate it!

No worries in the end it's a lot about what prices I get but wanted to have an idea of what is around, get some ideas and get pushed to finally buy something. And really good pointers there.

Order placed and sorted. Went for the 3600x, 450b Tomahawk max and 16gb Corsair vengeance 3200mhz ram.
I was edging for the 3700-3800x but the prices were poor on amazon no discounts.... The selection on a 14C ram was very poor and expensive but a bit of googling suggests the corsairs will do great with the tomahawk.
And I'll definitely get the 212 Evo cooler if the stock doesn't perform. I'll try it out the box first though, it might be alright.

Really appreciate the help all :) Thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OXbhgnHvXQ

3700X and 3800X really aren't any better for games. Longevity is a moot point.