Ryzen 5 2400G w/o GPU Build :: Hardware and Operating Systems

Cyber2B 2019 年 1 月 21 日下午 2:14

引用自 Leonidas：
引用自 Fiora Laurent：
Go for 8Gb of RAM, people say games require 16gb these days and I am still able to play games on my 660 ti with 8gb of ram just fine. PUBG which is garbage in otimization but still runs at 60 fps very low 900p.
I'm planning to get 2x4gb at 2666mhz, does it worth?

引用自 Fiora Laurent：
Also get a r3 2200g instead of the 2400g, you will still be able to play games and buy a GPU while saving a bit of cash.
What's the in-game difference between those 2? If it's just like <10fps, maybe I'll go for 2200g.

引用自 Snow：
Gigabyte B450 Aorus M then.
What about MSI B450 Tomahawk? The price is nearly same.

Also as a note, I think I need a motherboard with longer lifetime since it's kinda lazy to upgrade the motherboard. The ryzen has an oc feature (thats its speciality), so I might wanna try to oc the memory and maybe the cpu itself one day (I'm gonna play with the stock settings for a few months), that's what I mean by I need a motherboard with a longer lifetime.
Some reviews said that MSI B450 Tomahawk is good for ryzen cpus, and also some reviews said that gigabyte b450 motherboards have such bad vrms, I don't even know if that's real, so just to anticipate future problems.

Yeah its worth it at a reasonable price, I tried 2133 and I find that more stable on some games then 2666 and my Ram is rated to 2800Mhz, problem is my motherboard is locked to 2666 which is what I run it at because I find it to be the sweetspot for many multiplat games.

For performance, its only 1500pts more then this https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16718046

If I were to calculate that, it would probably be 10-15fps off on certain games like AC Origins and Odyssey (DRM Heavy), GTA V and any other heavy CPU dependant game. Other then that its very similar, better then FX which is for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvcEfgYaJc - This video will give you an idea of what performance you can expect.

Yeah for sure b450 is great if its like $2 or $5 dollars more then the b350 because you don't have to BIOS update it beforhand and it has that senseMI tech AMD has.

For overclocking? I wouldn't reccomend it because Ryzen isn't stable on some games, espcially when you clock it to 4ghz, system will crash and will not work properly. 4-8fps is not worth system/game stability.

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tacoshy 2019 年 1 月 21 日下午 2:27

引用自 Fiora Laurent：
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Yeah its worth it at a reasonable price, I tried 2133 and I find that more stable on some games then 2666 and my Ram is rated to 2800Mhz, problem is my motherboard is locked to 2666 which is what I run it at because I find it to be the sweetspot for many multiplat games.

For performance, its only 1500pts more then this https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16718046

If I were to calculate that, it would probably be 10-15fps off on certain games like AC Origins and Odyssey (DRM Heavy), GTA V and any other heavy CPU dependant game. Other then that its very similar, better then FX which is for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvcEfgYaJc - This video will give you an idea of what performance you can expect.

Yeah for sure b450 is great if its like $2 or $5 dollars more then the b350 because you don't have to BIOS update it beforhand and it has that senseMI tech AMD has.

For overclocking? I wouldn't reccomend it because Ryzen isn't stable on some games, espcially when you clock it to 4ghz, system will crash and will not work properly. 4-8fps is not worth system/game stability.

Ryzen and espacially APU's profit a lot from RAM frequency. Instabiltiy is not a fault of Ryzen and not recommending it because of instability only shows your lack in experience and knowledge to proberly overclock and stabiltiy test. If you actually know how to oevrclock then neither RAM frequency nor CPU OC is a problem and will be 100% stable.
Also your comment with Ryzen clocked at 4GHz confirms that.

Every B350 and B450 Motherboard is capable in overclocking and laoding RAM AMP (DOCP)/XMP profiles

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Cyber2B 2019 年 1 月 21 日下午 2:43

引用自 tacoshy：
引用自 Fiora Laurent：
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Yeah its worth it at a reasonable price, I tried 2133 and I find that more stable on some games then 2666 and my Ram is rated to 2800Mhz, problem is my motherboard is locked to 2666 which is what I run it at because I find it to be the sweetspot for many multiplat games.

For performance, its only 1500pts more then this https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16718046

If I were to calculate that, it would probably be 10-15fps off on certain games like AC Origins and Odyssey (DRM Heavy), GTA V and any other heavy CPU dependant game. Other then that its very similar, better then FX which is for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvcEfgYaJc - This video will give you an idea of what performance you can expect.

Yeah for sure b450 is great if its like $2 or $5 dollars more then the b350 because you don't have to BIOS update it beforhand and it has that senseMI tech AMD has.

For overclocking? I wouldn't reccomend it because Ryzen isn't stable on some games, espcially when you clock it to 4ghz, system will crash and will not work properly. 4-8fps is not worth system/game stability.

Ryzen and espacially APU's profit a lot from RAM frequency. Instabiltiy is not a fault of Ryzen and not recommending it because of instability only shows your lack in experience and knowledge to proberly overclock and stabiltiy test. If you actually know how to oevrclock then neither RAM frequency nor CPU OC is a problem and will be 100% stable.
Also your comment with Ryzen clocked at 4GHz confirms that.

Every B350 and B450 Motherboard is capable in overclocking and laoding RAM AMP (DOCP)/XMP profiles

Probably, but not worth my time to find perfect voltage for stable overclocks for unoticeable performance.

I simply turn on my XMP profile instead of just manually doing it. Even that I never notice a difference. Not really the type to do this stuff after a busy day at work.

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Leonidas 2019 年 1 月 21 日下午 4:57

引用自 Justifier Bart：
Hello, I have been using Ryzen 2400g since early November.
Very happy with this chip, system.
my specs:
Ryzen 5 2400g
gigabyte ab 350-gaming
16gb corsair vengeance led 3200mhz
intel optane 512 gb m2 (sale priced)
600 watt coolermaster psu

The Ryzen 5 will play any game I have tried.

Most motherboards are now AMD Ryzen 2000 ready.
upgraded to latest bios to support high speed ram.
I would recommend you get the fastest, low latency ram you can find.
The GPU side on chip likes high speed ram.
You can start with 8gb and add more later.
Since GPU will use 2gb of system ram.

my system plays Fortnite on low 1080p around 50-70 fps

I play COD BO4 at 1080p low settings 60% resolution and get 55-85 fps.

Great starter build with lots of upgrade potential!

Thanks for sharing! Think I'll love this chip.

引用自 Snow：
They say it's a pretty good one, so u might want to go with that. I've had lots of bad experience with MSI stuff, thus can't tell u much - I'm trying to avoid MSI.

Well okay, I think both are good. Thanks!

引用自 Fiora Laurent：
Yeah its worth it at a reasonable price, I tried 2133 and I find that more stable on some games then 2666 and my Ram is rated to 2800Mhz, problem is my motherboard is locked to 2666 which is what I run it at because I find it to be the sweetspot for many multiplat games.

For performance, its only 1500pts more then this https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16718046

If I were to calculate that, it would probably be 10-15fps off on certain games like AC Origins and Odyssey (DRM Heavy), GTA V and any other heavy CPU dependant game. Other then that its very similar, better then FX which is for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvcEfgYaJc - This video will give you an idea of what performance you can expect.

Yeah for sure b450 is great if its like $2 or $5 dollars more then the b350 because you don't have to BIOS update it beforhand and it has that senseMI tech AMD has.

For overclocking? I wouldn't reccomend it because Ryzen isn't stable on some games, espcially when you clock it to 4ghz, system will crash and will not work properly. 4-8fps is not worth system/game stability.

引用自 tacoshy：
Every B350 and B450 Motherboard is capable in overclocking and laoding RAM AMP (DOCP)/XMP profiles

I'll get B450 chipset.

How about this [pcpartpicker.com] ?
Does having only SSD without HDD good? Sure I'll get HDD soon.

最后由 rotNdude 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 9:18

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Snow 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 2:22

引用自 Leonidas：
How about this [pcpartpicker.com] ?
Does having only SSD without HDD good? Sure I'll get HDD soon.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tfKbQZ
As for a gaming rig, investing more in GPU than in SSD makes sense to me. https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-860-Evo-500GB-vs-Adata-Ultimate-SU800-512GB/m428560vs3913
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-570-vs-AMD-RX-580/3924vs3923
If u decide to go with a dedicated GPU - u might also want to consider some CPU instead of APU. Think R5 1600 or better. It will last in gaming way longer than 2200G.
And yes, having SSD only is absolutely fine as long as u have enough storage for whatever u want it for.

最后由 Snow 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 2:38

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Leonidas 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 3:54

引用自 Snow：
If u decide to go with a dedicated GPU - u might also want to consider some CPU instead of APU. Think R5 1600 or better. It will last in gaming way longer than 2200G.
And yes, having SSD only is absolutely fine as long as u have enough storage for whatever u want it for.

If I want to get r5 1600, I need to lower the costs of other parts (that's my budget).
So, having r3 2200g with msi b450 tomahawk, or having r5 1600 with asrock b450 pro4, which better? or maybe another motherboard with budget around the asrock b450 pro4, or maybe lower another parts but motherboard?
Damn, I'm really bad at this.

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Snow 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 4:10

引用自 Leonidas：
引用自 Snow：
If u decide to go with a dedicated GPU - u might also want to consider some CPU instead of APU. Think R5 1600 or better. It will last in gaming way longer than 2200G.
And yes, having SSD only is absolutely fine as long as u have enough storage for whatever u want it for.
If I want to get r5 1600, I need to lower the costs of other parts (that's my budget).
So, having r3 2200g with msi b450 tomahawk, or having r5 1600 with asrock b450 pro4, which better? or maybe another motherboard with budget around the asrock b450 pro4, or maybe lower another parts but motherboard?
Damn, I'm really bad at this.

MSI one would handle overclocking and better CPUs better later on when u decide to upgrade, so I'd go with that option then.

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Leonidas 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 4:22

引用自 Snow：
MSI one would handle overclocking and better CPUs better later on when u decide to upgrade, so I'd go with that option then.

Yeah, that's what I think, because sure I'll do an upgrade of the parts but not motherboard. Changing motherboard is like moving to a new house, kinda lazy to do that.
Well, thanks for your input! I really appreciated it!

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Snow 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 4:25

引用自 Leonidas：
引用自 Snow：
MSI one would handle overclocking and better CPUs better later on when u decide to upgrade, so I'd go with that option then.
Yeah, that's what I think, because sure I'll do an upgrade of the parts but not motherboard. Changing motherboard is like moving to a new house, kinda lazy to do that.
Well, thanks for your input! I really appreciated it!

Go build yourself a nice PC and put it to good use mate.

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vadim 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 5:33

引用自 Leonidas：
Yeah, that's what I think, because sure I'll do an upgrade of the parts but not motherboard. Changing motherboard is like moving to a new house, kinda lazy to do that.

Have you read this article?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-300-series-am4-motherboard-3rd-gen-ryzen-backwards-compatible

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Snow 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 5:55

引用自 vadim：
引用自 Leonidas：
Yeah, that's what I think, because sure I'll do an upgrade of the parts but not motherboard. Changing motherboard is like moving to a new house, kinda lazy to do that.
Have you read this article?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-300-series-am4-motherboard-3rd-gen-ryzen-backwards-compatible

Does he need to? He goes with B450 one anyway.

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AbedsBrother 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 6:40

引用自 Leonidas：

Could you suggest me a good B450 motherboard which will fit my current budget? How about ASRock B450 Pro4 or MSI B450M Gaming Plus? Sure I'm planning to do upgrades on the other components.

Well, what boards were you considering for B350? Most of them have an upgraded version available that has the B450 chipset. Asrock B450 Pro4, MSI B450M Gaming Plus, Gigabyte B450 Aorus, Asus TUF B450.

引用自 Leonidas：
引用自 Fiora Laurent：
Go for 8Gb of RAM, people say games require 16gb these days and I am still able to play games on my 660 ti with 8gb of ram just fine. PUBG which is garbage in otimization but still runs at 60 fps very low 900p.
I'm planning to get 2x4gb at 2666mhz, does it worth?

You'll lose some fps by going with a lower-frequency ram. APUs aren't like traditional desktop cpus, where ram speed isn't that important. Your ram is video memory, so faster ram will = faster video memory. 3200mhz is the optimal speed on Ryzen chips. (Newer Ryzen chips can go to 3466mhz.)

引用自 Fiora Laurent：
Go for 8Gb of RAM, people say games require 16gb these days and I am still able to play games on my 660 ti with 8gb of ram just fine. PUBG which is garbage in otimization but still runs at 60 fps very low 900p.

Disagree on this. The APU will be taking away 2GB of ram to use as video memory, so 8GB of total system memory will actually equal 6GB of usuable system memory. Unless the OP isn't planning to run newer games, 16GB is the way to go here.

引用自 vadim：
引用自 AbedsBrother：
Most users won't notice the difference between chipsets. There is a risk that the older board may not have the necessary BIOS update out of the box to run the newer chip, but otherwise it's a minor point.
...in the worst case your motherbord be incompatible with future Zen2 CPUs and you will need to change it to upgrade CPU, but otherwise it's a minor point...

AMD has guaranteed Ryzen compatibility with AM4 through 2020. But I think you know this.

引用自 Snow：
引用自 vadim：
Have you read this article?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-300-series-am4-motherboard-3rd-gen-ryzen-backwards-compatible
Does he need to? He goes with B450 one anyway.

Exactly. Some people sometimes... "Wait to buy this, don't buy that" b/c of some future compatibility that will not be relevant to this particular case.

最后由 AbedsBrother 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 6:57

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vadim 2019 年 1 月 22 日上午 6:54

引用自 AbedsBrother：
AMD has guaranteed Ryzen compatibility with AM4 through 2020. But I think you know this.

Physical compatibility. I.e. mechanicsl and electrical. Nothing more.

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Leonidas 2019 年 1 月 22 日下午 11:00

引用自 Snow：
引用自 vadim：
Have you read this article?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-300-series-am4-motherboard-3rd-gen-ryzen-backwards-compatible
Does he need to? He goes with B450 one anyway.

Yeah, I'll go with b450 motherboard, will there be any incompatibility with the incoming zen2 cpu?

引用自 AbedsBrother：
You'll lose some fps by going with a lower-frequency ram. APUs aren't like traditional desktop cpus, where ram speed isn't that important. Your ram is video memory, so faster ram will = faster video memory. 3200mhz is the optimal speed on Ryzen chips. (Newer Ryzen chips can go to 3466mhz.)

The APU will be taking away 2GB of ram to use as video memory, so 8GB of total system memory will actually equal 6GB of usuable system memory. Unless the OP isn't planning to run newer games, 16GB is the way to go here.

So, if I go with APU I need more memory as it will be used as video memory. And if I'm using GPU, the video memory will be taken from the gpu itself thus it doesnt requires any ram size, is it like that? (Bad english sorry)

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vadim 2019 年 1 月 22 日下午 11:06

引用自 Leonidas：
Yeah, I'll go with b450 motherboard, will there be any incompatibility with the incoming zen2 cpu?

No one can predict yet. AMD garantees that you will be able to plug new CPU into the old mobo. But not that it will work.

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