Ryzen 5 2400G w/o GPU Build :: Hardware and Operating Systems

r.linder 2019년 1월 20일 오전 9시 08분

1) Don't buy a past generation motherboard for a current generation CPU. It's like wearing a hat that's too big for your head; B450 chipset is a great improvement over B350 because of the extra feature support which Zen+ chips make use of, and the quality is also a fair bit better.

2) That ADATA SSD is really cheap, slow, and prone to failure. A friend of mine on a budget who bought that exact model said it didn't even function when he unboxed it.

3) If you're going to get a Ryzen 5, don't get an APU, seriously. You're better off saving for a longer period of time until you can afford a 2600 and RTX 2060 or better. There's no point in going with a small budget when it's going to be trash after Zen 2 architecture releases this spring/summer.

4) If you're going to use a HDD for game storage, at least get a FireCuda hybrid drive.

5) That PSU is a little bit on the cheaper side, even if it is SeaSonic and modular; Any PSU can have a good brand name on it and have modularity, what matters is what's inside, and I wouldn't get anything less than a FOCUS Plus Gold.

tl;dr
This entire build you have planned is not a great idea, especially with Zen 2 on the horizon, and those new Ryzen 3 CPUs would destroy the value of the 2400G. If you're that tight on a budget, wait for Zen 2 Ryzen 3 CPUs (not the APU) and get a dedicated GPU to get the most of your spent cash.

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Leonidas 2019년 1월 20일 오전 9시 19분

1) Ok I'll considering the b450 motherboard
2) What would u suggest?
3) I don't even know about the zen 2 price will be in my region, if it fits my budget, then I'll stick to it for sure.
4) Little bit more pricey than the HDD, but again, if it fits my budget, why not.
5) I'll get the focus gold since the price difference is not too big.

So, +-$500 is my budget. That build, on pcpartpicker costs me $501.63, but on my region, it costs me $595.59. So, I won't go too far from around $500.
Thanks for your input!

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Snow 2019년 1월 20일 오전 10시 35분

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
2) What would u suggest?

ADATA SU800 256GB one. It's one of the best price/performance SSDs these days. Have already installed like a dozen of those, I really like them.

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
RTX 2060

Anyone actually paying for that crap? Damn. These days mid-range - always go AMD.

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
1) Ok I'll considering the b450 motherboard

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gMQG3C/gigabyte-b450-aorus-elite-atx-AM4-motherboard-b450-aorus-elite

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Monk 2019년 1월 20일 오전 11시 26분

Amd don't really have anything to compete with the 2060 right now, even less when the non rtx xx60 (1160 / 1660ti?) arrives unless you can find a vega 56 or 64 cheap, I know I've seen some vega 64's around £400 but oddly not seen any discounted 56's, either way that's hugely outside of OPs budget.

Best bet would be try to fit in a 2600 on a b450 with a 1050ti, should be doable just over the 500 budget.

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AbedsBrother 2019년 1월 20일 오후 12시 58분

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
1) Don't buy a past generation motherboard for a current generation CPU. It's like wearing a hat that's too big for your head; B450 chipset is a great improvement over B350 because of the extra feature support which Zen+ chips make use of, and the quality is also a fair bit better.

Most users won't notice the difference between chipsets. There is a risk that the older board may not have the necessary BIOS update out of the box to run the newer chip, but otherwise it's a minor point.

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
3) If you're going to get a Ryzen 5, don't get an APU, seriously. You're better off saving for a longer period of time until you can afford a 2600 and RTX 2060 or better. There's no point in going with a small budget when it's going to be trash after Zen 2 architecture releases this spring/summer.

The OP is on a budget, or did you miss that part? Next thing you know you'll be talking him into spending tons of money on a system they cannot afford.

An APU is fine to start with. The Ryzen 5 2400G has four cpu cores hyperthreaded, so after you get your dedicated gpu a year or so in the future, you'll still have plenty of power for something like an RTX 2060.

Graphically, the 2400G slots between an RX 550 and an RX 560. Not very powerful at all. Especially when you consider that the dedicated graphics in an APU use the DDR4 system ram as video memory; it doesn't have its own dedicated GDDR5 like the RX 560 does. The APU is still incredibly capable for integrated graphics, and can provide some decent frame-rates with reduced settings. Here's a video of the 2400G playing Battlefield V.
https://youtu.be/Srb8ufOfnJ0

There are tons of videos like this on YouTube. Have found Tech Epiphany's to be decent.

One thing APUs do rely on is fast ram. 3200mhz is a good speed, but see if you can find 3200mhz ram with a CAS latency of around 14 or so (the ram in your build is CAS 16, which will be fine if there are no other options, but a lower latency will provide a little bit more performance).

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
4) If you're going to use a HDD for game storage, at least get a FireCuda hybrid drive.

Disagree. Hybrid drives are a waste of money. Just go for a single SSD. A 480GB SSD should do to start with, and you'll have all your speed issues taken care of. Among the cheaper SSD brands, I use Crucial and Kingston.

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
5) That PSU is a little bit on the cheaper side, even if it is SeaSonic and modular; Any PSU can have a good brand name on it and have modularity, what matters is what's inside, and I wouldn't get anything less than a FOCUS Plus Gold.

That psu is fine, I have one powering an APU computer I built for my parents. Has been running strong for 18 months with no issues. "Gold" vs. "Bronze" has nothing to do with build quality; it's a measurement of power efficiency.

I've built a few APU builds in the past. I did a Richland build a few years ago (A10-6800k) and a Godavari build more recently (A10-7870k). Both turned out to be reliable performers, if not exactly powerful. So long as you're aware of the integrated graphics' limitations, you probably won't be disappointed by it.

tl;dr
- You need to make sure the older B350 motherboard's BIOS has been updated to handle the newer APU
- Find 3200mhz ram with lower CAS latency if you can; a "nice to have," not essential.
- I recommend a single 480GB (or larger if you can afford it) SSD. The cost should be about the same as your SSD + HD arrangement that you have here.

Decent parts list, just needs some tweaks.

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Leonidas 2019년 1월 20일 오후 7시 36분

Snow님이 먼저 게시:
ADATA SU800 256GB one. It's one of the best price/performance SSDs these days. Have already installed like a dozen of those, I really like them.

so the 256GB better that 128GB?

Snow님이 먼저 게시:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gMQG3C/gigabyte-b450-aorus-elite-atx-AM4-motherboard-b450-aorus-elite

I couldn't find that motherboard on the online shop in my region. (Here's the link [www.enterkomputer.com]

AbedsBrother님이 먼저 게시:
- You need to make sure the older B350 motherboard's BIOS has been updated to handle the newer APU
- Find 3200mhz ram with lower CAS latency if you can; a "nice to have," not essential.
- I recommend a single 480GB (or larger if you can afford it) SSD. The cost should be about the same as your SSD + HD arrangement that you have here.

Decent parts list, just needs some tweaks.

I couldnt find 3200mhz ram with lower than 16 latency.

Could you suggest me a good B450 motherboard which will fit my current budget? How about ASRock B450 Pro4 or MSI B450M Gaming Plus? Sure I'm planning to do upgrades on the other components.

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r.linder 2019년 1월 20일 오후 7시 42분

AbedsBrother님이 먼저 게시:
Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
3) If you're going to get a Ryzen 5, don't get an APU, seriously. You're better off saving for a longer period of time until you can afford a 2600 and RTX 2060 or better. There's no point in going with a small budget when it's going to be trash after Zen 2 architecture releases this spring/summer.
The OP is on a budget, or did you miss that part? Next thing you know you'll be talking him into spending tons of money on a system they cannot afford.

...That's literally why I suggested he save up for longer rather than settle for something that can actually get more than acceptable results. You can pay 500 for a system that runs, or you could pay 1000 for one that can do so much more with the money you spent.

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Leonidas 2019년 1월 20일 오후 7시 45분

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
AbedsBrother님이 먼저 게시:

The OP is on a budget, or did you miss that part? Next thing you know you'll be talking him into spending tons of money on a system they cannot afford.

...That's literally why I suggested he save up for longer rather than settle for something that can actually get more than acceptable results. You can pay 500 for a system that runs, or you could pay 1000 for one that can do so much more with the money you spent.

Let's assume I won't get any additional budget even until the ryzen gen 3 released, how about that?

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r.linder 2019년 1월 20일 오후 7시 53분

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

...That's literally why I suggested he save up for longer rather than settle for something that can actually get more than acceptable results. You can pay 500 for a system that runs, or you could pay 1000 for one that can do so much more with the money you spent.
Let's assume I won't get any additional budget even until the ryzen gen 3 released, how about that?

My honest opinion is if you can't afford a decent mid-range system in any configuration, you're better off buying a console instead because any entry-level system you build will need to be upgraded much sooner, especially with advancements in CPU and GPU architecture being more frequent, with DXR, DLSS on Nvidia's side, AMD hinting at their own RTRT tech, as well as 7nm process CPUs and GPUs coming this year. A console will give better performance results if you resort to Vega graphics on the chip, and about the same with a 1050 Ti for less money. Entry level is pretty redundant unless the game is only on PC, which is becoming less common anyway with very popular games like Fortnite.

MAYBE if the rumors about Ryzen 3 3rd gen are true, there will be a Ryzen 3 CPU that compares to current gen Ryzen 5, which is quite a huge deal considering the price brackets aren't really going up at all. It's a big fat maybe, but if true, there's no point in getting a 2200G.

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vadim 2019년 1월 20일 오후 7시 57분

AbedsBrother님이 먼저 게시:
Most users won't notice the difference between chipsets. There is a risk that the older board may not have the necessary BIOS update out of the box to run the newer chip, but otherwise it's a minor point.

...in the worst case your motherbord be incompatible with future Zen2 CPUs and you will need to change it to upgrade CPU, but otherwise it's a minor point...

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Cyber2B 2019년 1월 20일 오후 8시 08분

Go for 8Gb of RAM, people say games require 16gb these days and I am still able to play games on my 660 ti with 8gb of ram just fine. PUBG which is garbage in otimization but still runs at 60 fps very low 900p.

Even AC Origins which is said to be DRM infested still ran great on my PC other then some loading frame hitches which is Ubisofts fault for even adding VMProtect to protect Denuvo which is probably causing these issues considering it has to encrypt/decrypt game files.

Also get a r3 2200g instead of the 2400g, you will still be able to play games and buy a GPU while saving a bit of cash.

The rest is fine, also b350 is stil good, whatever these people are saying is complete nonsense, most are probably in the PC Gaming money trap mindset, if you don't know what that is I suggest you search it up.

The only Problem with b350 is that you will need to BIOS update the board first because the micro code isn't updated for raven ridge on that chipset.

Other then that your good to go.

Here is an example pairing if you decide to get a midrange GPU with a R3 2200g (This guy has a b350 and supposedly people are suggesting a b450 which is more expensive, nerve on some people when PC gaming is supposed to be cheap)

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16718046

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Snow 2019년 1월 20일 오후 11시 25분

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
Snow님이 먼저 게시:
ADATA SU800 256GB one. It's one of the best price/performance SSDs these days. Have already installed like a dozen of those, I really like them.

so the 256GB better that 128GB?

Yep. It's twice as much space for just a few bucks more. Its performance is slightly worse then Samsung 860 Pro 256GB while being twice as cheap. And paying the 860 Pro 256GB price u can get a 512GB one from ADATA. ADATA SSDs are not the fastest ones out there, yet those are best price/performance.

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:

I couldn't find that motherboard on the online shop in my region. (Here's the link [www.enterkomputer.com]

Gigabyte B450 Aorus M then.

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
ASRock B450 Pro4 or MSI B450M Gaming Plus

Screw those, they put more money in marketing than in actual hardware.

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Leonidas 2019년 1월 21일 오전 6시 18분

Fiora Laurent님이 먼저 게시:
Go for 8Gb of RAM, people say games require 16gb these days and I am still able to play games on my 660 ti with 8gb of ram just fine. PUBG which is garbage in otimization but still runs at 60 fps very low 900p.

I'm planning to get 2x4gb at 2666mhz, does it worth?

Fiora Laurent님이 먼저 게시:
Also get a r3 2200g instead of the 2400g, you will still be able to play games and buy a GPU while saving a bit of cash.

What's the in-game difference between those 2? If it's just like <10fps, maybe I'll go for 2200g.

Snow님이 먼저 게시:
Gigabyte B450 Aorus M then.

What about MSI B450 Tomahawk? The price is nearly same.

Also as a note, I think I need a motherboard with longer lifetime since it's kinda lazy to upgrade the motherboard. The ryzen has an oc feature (thats its speciality), so I might wanna try to oc the memory and maybe the cpu itself one day (I'm gonna play with the stock settings for a few months), that's what I mean by I need a motherboard with a longer lifetime.
Some reviews said that MSI B450 Tomahawk is good for ryzen cpus, and also some reviews said that gigabyte b450 motherboards have such bad vrms, I don't even know if that's real, so just to anticipate future problems.

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Justifier Bart 2019년 1월 21일 오전 8시 38분

Hello, I have been using Ryzen 2400g since early November.
Very happy with this chip, system.
my specs:
Ryzen 5 2400g
gigabyte ab 350-gaming
16gb corsair vengeance led 3200mhz
intel optane 512 gb m2 (sale priced)
600 watt coolermaster psu

The Ryzen 5 will play any game I have tried.

Most motherboards are now AMD Ryzen 2000 ready.
upgraded to latest bios to support high speed ram.
I would recommend you get the fastest, low latency ram you can find.
The GPU side on chip likes high speed ram.
You can start with 8gb and add more later.
Since GPU will use 2gb of system ram.

my system plays Fortnite on low 1080p around 50-70 fps

I play COD BO4 at 1080p low settings 60% resolution and get 55-85 fps.

Great starter build with lots of upgrade potential!

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Snow 2019년 1월 21일 오전 9시 36분

Leonidas님이 먼저 게시:
What about MSI B450 Tomahawk? The price is nearly same.

They say it's a pretty good one, so u might want to go with that. I've had lots of bad experience with MSI stuff, thus can't tell u much - I'm trying to avoid MSI.

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