Bying 2 RTX 2080TI for Christmas or wait for next series?

[SHREDDER]

Iam seriously considering to buy 2 RTX 2080TI's some time this week for christmas .My pc now is
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU:l GTX 970 G1 GAMING
PSU: CORSAIR 750M 750 WATT
HDD1: TB
HDD2: WD BLACK 4 TB
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS

As you see from the specs i upgraded monitor and psu in 2016 and also upgraded cpu ram motherboard and hdd in 2017. Games still run at max settings 1440p at 30+ fps and since a single RTX card is not worth due to how expensive they are(even fo 550 euros that the cheapest RTX 2070 currently cost) a single RTX card is out of the question. But what about TWO of them. Or wait for the next series and the buy RTX 3070 3080 or 3080TI? Currently cheapest RTX 2080TI in my country is the palit version for 1277 euros then it is the Gainward Phoenixfor 1395 then the Asus Dual for 1424 then MSI gamign X trio for 1545 and the price is rising until 1700 for gigabyte xtreme. However since the money i make each year are as much as the cost of 10 RTX 2080 ti's cost will not be a problem for me. But if next series will be at least 50% more powerful than RTX 2080 ti for a cheaper price it will be worth the wait. What do you think should i do? Buy them today as a chirstmas presen or wait a little longer for RTX 3000 ?

[Cathulhu]

What for? SLI is dead. Only very few games actually support it and the performance gain does in no way justify the cost.
And in most games you encounter issues if you try to run it in SLI. Like less performance or even crashes.
Get one really good videocard, not two. That would be a waste of money.

[C2Dan88]

If you can afford the cost then buy them now. However no need for two SLI is just not worth it. Ryzen 1700 will be the bottleneck no doubt

Sure the next RTX 3000 series will be better than they RTX 2000 series. However Nvidia has now set the prices points they will NOT be cheaper it will the same if not even more expensive!.

[Wichtelman]

so if 3080 ti is out do you want to wait for 4080 ti?
get one of the best cards and if you want to upgrade sell it and buy the better one...

[r.linder]

Don't bother with multi-GPU configs, the gains are not worth the extra cost of a second GPU.

I would also recommend waiting for AMD's response to RTX; the RX 3000 series, as they claim it'll deliver comparable performance for considerably less, so it's worth waiting to see if AMD can make a comeback in GPUs like they did in CPUs with Ryzen. Leaked information on the RX 3080 looks good.

[vadim]

SLI is really dead as it was said already and your CPU has no enough performance to get all advantage even from single RTX 2080 Ti.

[⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧]

And since you have "only" one 1440p/ 60 hz screen, i dont see the point.

Instead of two, buy one powerful card, it will last long enough. And the rtx 2080 ti will do a while.
.. im still rocking with a 1080 ti.

[r.linder]

⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧ eredeti hozzászólása:

And since you have "only" one 1440p/ 60 hz screen, i dont see the point.

Instead of two, buy one powerful card, it will last long enough. And the rtx 2080 ti will do a while.
.. im still rocking with a 1080 ti.

I'm still using a 1070 Ti. RTX isn't necessary by any means, just an option.

[SHREDDER]

vadim eredeti hozzászólása:

SLI is really dead as it was said already and your CPU has no enough performance to get all advantage even from single RTX 2080 Ti.

That cant be true. My previous cpu which was a core i5 2500k which is a 2011 cpuand i had it from 2011 with gtx 560 ti then in 2014 i upgraded to gtx 970 and while gtx 970 is 3 years newer than it it didnt bottleneck a lot. At least not since i bought 1440p monitor. Then i upgrded to the much more powerful ryzen 1700. i can wait for two more series if want and buy the best card avaliable at that time and 1700 will not bottleneck it just like 2500k didnt bottleneck the gtx 970 that released 3 years after it and was much more powerful than the gtx 560 ti that i had in 2011 when i bought 2500k. Yes i know not all games support sli. But Nvidia is trying to get as many games as possible to support it especialy now that they are working with microsoft together since all of their games are coming to pc. Iam still playing evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps with gtx 970 but as i said iam only considering it i havent made my decision yet.

[sawdust3d]

Yeah, basically everyone here is right. I 've been all over trying to rationalize 2 X 2080 TI(s) for my current build & there is just no reason to SLI (NVlink) these cards. And I really, really wanted to do it just to have 2 cards for the rediculouse water cooling loop.

Given the ever decreasing SLI/Crossfire support in games, and the potential for some some games to even loose performance, there is just no winning argument I've been able to come up with to go that route.

You can get killer benchmark results w ith 2 cards for a very select game set, and the bechmarking programs themselves, but after that very short phase of gratification you are left with a neglidgable overal practical (gaming) performance increase until the next release/upgrade cycle.

[r.linder]

SHREDDER eredeti hozzászólása:

vadim eredeti hozzászólása:

SLI is really dead as it was said already and your CPU has no enough performance to get all advantage even from single RTX 2080 Ti.

That cant be true. My previous cpu which was a core i5 2500k which is a 2011 cpuand i had it from 2011 with gtx 560 ti then in 2014 i upgraded to gtx 970 and while gtx 970 is 3 years newer than it it didnt bottleneck a lot. At least not since i bought 1440p monitor. Then i upgrded to the much more powerful ryzen 1700. i can wait for two more series if want and buy the best card avaliable at that time and 1700 will not bottleneck it just like 2500k didnt bottleneck the gtx 970 that released 3 years after it and was much more powerful than the gtx 560 ti that i had in 2011 when i bought 2500k. Yes i know not all games support sli. But Nvidia is trying to get as many games as possible to support it especialy now that they are working with microsoft together since all of their games are coming to pc. Iam still playing evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps with gtx 970 but as i said iam only considering it i havent made my decision yet.

When you go into 4K ultra settings which the 2080 Ti is designed for, the R7 1700 may bottleneck in some games. Should be fine at 1440p though but it's not a great balance to pair a 1700 with a 2080 Ti.

[hawkeye]

NVLink is how multiple rtx's are connected.
However multiple cards could only be useful for 4k+ as a single card will exceed the 60hz monitor limit on most titles.
And you would need a better cpu.
And not all games support dual gpus.

[Washell]

SHREDDER eredeti hozzászólása:

vadim eredeti hozzászólása:

SLI is really dead as it was said already and your CPU has no enough performance to get all advantage even from single RTX 2080 Ti.

That cant be true. My previous cpu which was a core i5 2500k which is a 2011 cpuand i had it from 2011 with gtx 560 ti then in 2014 i upgraded to gtx 970 and while gtx 970 is 3 years newer than it it didnt bottleneck a lot. At least not since i bought 1440p monitor. Then i upgrded to the much more powerful ryzen 1700. i can wait for two more series if want and buy the best card avaliable at that time and 1700 will not bottleneck it just like 2500k didnt bottleneck the gtx 970 that released 3 years after it and was much more powerful than the gtx 560 ti that i had in 2011 when i bought 2500k.

You can't put dates on a chart, draw a line through them, and expect to draw meaningful conclusions on what CPU can handle what GPU. They're not related facts. As others have said, the R7 1700 has already been shown to bottleneck. CPU's were massively overpowered for a while, but GPU's (and game demands) have caught up with them now.

Anyway, buy one 2080ti. Sell it when the 3080ti is released to buy that. Sell that when the 4080ti is released and buy that, etc. That makes more sense than dropping a load of cash now. At least until the DX12 multi gpu features get widely adopted.

[Monk]

Not that you'll do it anyway, but 2 2080ti's would be even more pointless an upgrade for you than it would of been for me, only for me, it would of been a relituvely small jump in performance but for you, your hardware cannot make use of it.

1 2080ti will be held back by your cpu, 2 would be crippled, plus, I don't think you would get on with the tweaking needed to get the most out of it for every game even if you had the hardware to make use of it and it may not sound like it, but I really do mean no offence with that statement, sli is for enthusiasts who love tweaking as it takes work not to have one card be a paperweight half the time.

Onto the main reasons you really shouldn't go for it, your hardware.

When the extra cores aren't needed your 1700 is slower than your old 2500k could be with a proper oc, even when when all the cores can be used, it will bottleneck the hell out of a single 2080ti, it simply isn't fast enough not to.

To this point a 9900k will bottleneck a 2080ti in some games and will definetly hold it back if you had 2, plus, these cards can benefit from a full 16x lanes each so consumer cpu's will restrict 2 of them a small amount.

Now there is your monitor, 1440p is a great res, high refresh I often argue it is the best setup for gaming, however a single 1080ti can drive it reliably above 60fps, a 2080ti is pointless for 1440p 60Hz as it will happily run everything I've tried at max settings 4k and be over 60, again, this is a single 2080ti, 2 of them can make use of high refresh 4k panels.

So, yeah, unless you plan to buy a new cpu and monitor, probably a new motherboard also (as you'll need atleast a 9900k or an overclocked x299 chip to run 2 of them even remotely properly, sorry, but AMD's current chips aren't up to the job yet), you should save your cash and go for a single 2080 as anything more will be wasted as the rest if your system cannot keep up.

[Malygos]

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

Not that you'll do it anyway, but 2 2080ti's would be even more pointless an upgrade for you than it would of been for me, only for me, it would of been a relituvely small jump in performance but for you, your hardware cannot make use of it.

1 2080ti will be held back by your cpu, 2 would be crippled, plus, I don't think you would get on with the tweaking needed to get the most out of it for every game even if you had the hardware to make use of it and it may not sound like it, but I really do mean no offence with that statement, sli is for enthusiasts who love tweaking as it takes work not to have one card be a paperweight half the time.

Onto the main reasons you really shouldn't go for it, your hardware.

When the extra cores aren't needed your 1700 is slower than your old 2500k could be with a proper oc, even when when all the cores can be used, it will bottleneck the hell out of a single 2080ti, it simply isn't fast enough not to.

To this point a 9900k will bottleneck a 2080ti in some games and will definetly hold it back if you had 2, plus, these cards can benefit from a full 16x lanes each so consumer cpu's will restrict 2 of them a small amount.

Now there is your monitor, 1440p is a great res, high refresh I often argue it is the best setup for gaming, however a single 1080ti can drive it reliably above 60fps, a 2080ti is pointless for 1440p 60Hz as it will happily run everything I've tried at max settings 4k and be over 60, again, this is a single 2080ti, 2 of them can make use of high refresh 4k panels.

So, yeah, unless you plan to buy a new cpu and monitor, probably a new motherboard also (as you'll need atleast a 9900k or an overclocked x299 chip to run 2 of them even remotely properly, sorry, but AMD's current chips aren't up to the job yet), you should save your cash and go for a single 2080 as anything more will be wasted as the rest if your system cannot keep up.

Are you forgetting hes one of those 4 people that comes around talking about building these super computers 2 or 3 times a month gonna expect the other guy coming along with his 10k build again soon

[Monk]

Perhaps, but, incase he does actually plan to do this, I owe it to him to explain why it is a very bad idea as he would be throwing a large chunk of his very limited yearly income away (unless I miss read it, it sounded like he earns enough to buy 10 cards, so 3k of a 15k income is kind of daft to blow 20% of your money on,unless he meant he can afford to waste 15k, but, then why would he of put up with such low performance for so long?).