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Get 2x4gb 3000/3200Mhz RAM. Ryzen CPUs love high clocked RAM, and dual channel will nearly double the RAM speed.
I would bump up the PSU to a quality 550w one, doing this will allow you to upgrade to more easily later.
You can use a flash drive to update the BIOS.
Ryzen 2 isn't as hungry for memory speed as Ryzen 1 was, especially the Ryzen APUs as tests confirmed. He's also not using the on-board graphics, so he doesn't need 3000 MHz for that either.
He'd still need to replace other components if he expected to get a huge difference anyway, because it's a budget build and everything was chosen according to that budget. If he wanted to go all the way up to a Ryzen 7 2700X or Ryzen 3 when that releases, he'd have to upgrade at least half of the system with it. (GPU, PSU, Cooling, RAM, possibly the motherboard if he upgrades to the upcoming Ryzen 3 next year)
And that is the issue, the 2200g will not work without the correct BIOS.
Ryzen 2 still uses the interposer "Infinity fabric" which ticks at the same clockspeed as the memory. This interposer connects the multiple dies on the chip.
RAM clockspeed most certainly does improve performance. (Bandwidth is not clockspeed!)
And especially the APUs when using the I-GPU are affected by RAM clockspeed and bandwidth.
Spend $20 more on PSU now = No need to spend $70 on a new PSU in 1-2 years.
Incorrect. What you are saying doesn't make any sense. No he doesn't need to upgrade the GPU, PSU, RAM etc.. when going for a Ryzen 7 or Zen 2.
When upgrading the CPU why would he have to replace the RAM? He doesn't..
When upgrading the CPU why doe he need to replace the GPU?
Make sure you know what you are talking about before giving "advice".
Most boards do as it's fairly common, and he already said that he has the system so it obviously works. It probably came with the BIOS updated at least for Ryzen 2. AMD also offers boot kits so no, you don't absolutely need one just to update a BIOS.
I didn't say it didn't exist anymore, I said it wasn't as much as a problem because AMD worked to resolve the issue with memory. Tests also confirmed that faster memory had even less of a performance benefit on the Ryzen 3 APUs.
He already has the PSU, so why bother going through the trouble when he doesn't need to?
Why would you use 2666 MHz RAM on anything higher than a Ryzen 3 2nd gen CPU? He does. It's also running in single channel mode, but you didn't even notice that, it seems.
He would need to get a better GPU because he's using something on par with a 1060 3GB. If he went into Ryzen 5 or 7 2nd gen territory, that's wasting game performance because it could be so much better with an RTX 2070, or a 2060 when it releases.
I could say the same to you.
580 is ok for 1080p gaming, thought 8GB version would be better.
If he already own what is listed Getting dual channel memmory should be next step and then probably stronmger PSU a 400W would be to close to actual max power to my liking but as long as its stable its ok.
At 1080p, you could get away with medium to high in most modern titles.
Actually the 2070 is more powerful than a GTX 1080 and games are going to start moving towards RTX support primarily by time the next generation of RTX cards are announced or released. While Pascal is very much more appealing because of the cost, as games start to become even more visually advanced, they're going to require more than Pascal can offer, especially when going above 1080p.
Only need to worry if it's not 80+ at least. If it's a dirt cheap model, the chance of blowing up doesn't look good.
And no, this is a feature only found on high-end boards. It's for people who flash custum BIOS's.
Less =/ not.
It still has a large impact on CPU performance.
And once again he never said he owns anything on this list.
Because 2666Mhz memory;
- Generally costs just as much as 3000Mhz
- 3000Mhz delivers better CPU performance
If you read my post I did comment on the fact OP has listed only a single RAM module and recommended two for dual channel instead.
What is this about RTX cards and wasting performance? It doesn't make any sense. This 2200g will hold back anything from a GTX 1060/RX 580 and up.
And how would upgrading to a R5 or R7 "waste gaming performance"..
RT.. A useless, overhyped, ovepriced paperweight. Losing 75% of my gaming performance for some ugly looking light refelction effects isn't worth it. In 5 years RT might be a thing, in 5 years not now.
80+ means nothing in terms of quality.
Well, what do we have here...
Guess you decided to ignore the fact that AMD offers boot kits for that reason.
Again, you ignored my response. I didn't say it WASN'T there, I said it's not as important on Ryzen 2 and less of an issue. You're just arguing to argue because you want to be right.
As you can see, he did say he HAS it set up.
Actually, 3000 MHz costs 10~20$ more. I checked, and while I couldn't find enough Patriot RAM available, I found that with G.Skill Ripjaws V, the gap between 2666 and 3000 was around 20$.
You also claimed it would double memory speed, which it won't, but it still makes a considerable difference. Gamer's Nexus tests showed that DDR4 RAM only showed up to around 25% difference between single and dual channel mode, and that's not "double."
The bottleneck depends on the entire system, the display, and the game you're playing. If you're running above 1080p 60Hz playing BF4 on higher settings on a 1070, yeah you likely will. But the 2200G is in a similar caliber to an i3-8100 which CAN handle a 1070. Your display and the CPU requirements for a game are the largest contributors. You CAN run a 2200G with better than an RX 580 4G/1060 3G, but I specifically said that he would want to upgrade the GPU IF he wanted to get an R5 or R7 because he wanted more performance in games.
I said that upgrading the CPU to an R5 2600 or better would be wasting performance because if he kept the same GPU, he'd be holding the CPU back in some games.
RTX is not a 75% loss, and RTX will become mainstream much sooner than 5 years as games are rapidly becoming more demanding. What you don't seem to realize is that RTX is a mere stepping stone for NVIDIA, and they have no competition left as AMD fails to keep up in the gaming markets beyond the RX 580/1060 6GB territory. Technology advances even faster with each substantial new invention or change, and in around 2~3 years at most when the next generation is released, the 1080 Ti will barely be able to keep up with that flagship as the current flagship (2080 Ti) is about 30% more powerful than the 1080 Ti. Being that each generation is at least around 30% more powerful than the last, the next generation of RTX's flagship should theoretically be at least around 60% more powerful than the 1080 Ti.
UHM.
80+ indicates power efficiency when the PSU is as close to 50% load as possible. If it's not 80+ certified at all, you're taking on more risk because of how cheaply made the PSU is, as you're pushing electricity through sensitive components, and a cheap PSU has a higher risk of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ everything in your system, and it likely will if you push it too hard. Even a basic 80+ is cheap enough and much better than not having that certification at all. Would you seriously consider pairing a dirt-cheap PSU with 2200G and RX 580? If so, then we have nothing to talk about beyond this because this is a common fact that 80+ PSUs are much better to have. That kind of mentality, that it's not important, is how Walmart gets away with their "Over-Powered" gaming rigs.
RTX off, 4K, ultra: 100fps.
RTX Low, 1080p, ultra: 60fps.
RTX Ultra, 1080p, ultra: 40fps.
RTX is just a Beta release, and the only marketable point about Turing next to a minor performance boost over Pascal. Overhyped and useless.
30% more powerful, 2x the price. This isn't improved tech, this isn't "next-gen", it's an absolutely massive die which you are coughing up money for.
Last gen a Titan was a stupid purchuse, now a 2080 ti is a smart one?
I said generally, there is always that one crappy RAM kit from Team Group etc.. which is on sale.
Gamer Nexus.. They did various benchmarks, games, productivity etc.. These tests mean NOTHING in terms of actual memory speed/bandwidth. These tests of theirs are also dependant on the CPU, storage and GPU.
When running RAM in dual channel the speed nearly doubles. "But my game didn't double in FPS" "Neither did WinRAR compress 2x faster". You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor how this stuff works. You double the bandwidth with dual channel and therefor nearly double the actual performance it's capable of delivering.
80+ only indicates efficiency, and nothing more. You can buy a Titanium rated PSU which is unreliable AF, once which will not last you more then a few years. And you can buy a crap PSU which pulls 1000w to deliver 250w while being made from very reliable components.
80+ also has no relation to the price of a PSU.
Yes I would totally put a inefficient yet very reliable PSU next to a 2200g and 580 instead of a efficient yet unreliable one.
It's indeed "common fact" with people who don't know how this stuff works.
"Here is an 80+ Gold PSU, it will overvolt your components and is likely to blow up, but that doesn't matter because it's efficient."
Efficiency and reliability have no connection.