32GB 4400mhz Ram?

[Sceptr]

I'm about to buy a ROG Maximus XI Extreme https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XI-EXTREME/ and i'm wondering if it's possible to put two sets of G. Skill 16 GB DDR4 – 4400 16 GB DDR4 Memory Modules https://www.amazon.co.uk/4400-16-GB-DDR4-Memory-Module-4400-MHz-288-pin/dp/B074V2R57N/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543645733&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=ddr4+32gb+4400 into it to make it 32GB of Ram?

[Dïngus]

Scroll down on the ASUS link to "Memory", well, after clicking specs to the right. Click the "check QVL", look in there for the specified ram.

[Sceptr]

Is this what you mean?

4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 4400(O.C)/4266(O.C.)/4133(O.C.)/4000(O.C.)/3866(O.C.)/3733(O.C.)/3600(O.C.)/3466(O.C.)/3400(O.C.)/3333(O.C.)/3300(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)
* Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs.
* Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).

4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 4400 << does that mean it can support the two sets of Ram = 32GB?

Or does the Dual Channel Memory Architecture part mean just two sticks of Ram?

[Malygos]

Originally posted by Sceptr:

Is this what you mean?

4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 4400(O.C)/4266(O.C.)/4133(O.C.)/4000(O.C.)/3866(O.C.)/3733(O.C.)/3600(O.C.)/3466(O.C.)/3400(O.C.)/3333(O.C.)/3300(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)
* Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs.
* Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).

4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 4400 << does that mean it can support the two sets of Ram = 32GB?

Or does the Dual Channel Memory Architecture part mean just two sticks of Ram?

What exactly do you need this for? You’re gonna get ♥♥♥♥ timings and for intel its not gonna make a difference get 3200mhz with good timings and forget about it

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by jefedemuchanina:

What exactly do you need this for? You’re gonna get ♥♥♥♥ timings and for intel its not gonna make a difference get 3200mhz with good timings and forget about it

Because it is trice as expensive and higher number must mean better.
That the speed advantage gives less then 1% performance boost while the timing slow you down by more then 50% doesn't matter. At least it looks nice on the data sheet.

[Monk]

The benefit of 3200 over 2133MHz is around 5%, however, just going faster without very good timings (which are both hard to get and very expensive) has severe diminishing returns.
I'll also bet you won't make use of that motherboard to its fullest so would be better off with the code instead, most of the features, half the price, and you only really lack features for extreme overclocking, however, if you must have the top motherboard, go for the msi godlike over the Asus extreme.

[_I_]

Originally posted by Dingus:

Scroll down on the ASUS link to "Memory", well, after clicking specs to the right. Click the "check QVL", look in there for the specified ram.

qvl is pointless, there are so many boards and ram dimms/kits its nearly impossible to test them all and they do not say which kits 'fail'
nearly all ram kits are compatable with all boards

[Sceptr]

The good point of forums especially this one is you can come with an idea of what you want and get convinced to go another route. I'm intending to buy the i9 9900k (wait for it :O0 so the MSI godlike, which one were you talking about, i would like a few usb's on the back? I'm looking at G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB Kit DDR4 3866MHz RAM now.

Tacoshy i think you mean thrice as expensive. We all have our talents and i'm pleased i helped you out there. :D JK ;)

EDIT: While i remember i want to run three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz one

Ahh three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz i've got you guys on that one. Seriously though thank you for your help guys, i shall have a good look at the suggestions you've made

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by Sceptr:

The good point of forums especially this one is you can come with an idea of what you want and get convinced to go another route. I'm intending to buy the i9 9900k (wait for it :O0 so the MSI godlike, which one were you talking about, i would like a few usb's on the back? I'm looking at G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB Kit DDR4 3866MHz RAM now.

Tacoshy i think you mean thrice as expensive. We all have our talents and i'm pleased i helped you out there. :D JK ;)

EDIT: While i remember i want to run three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz one

Ahh three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz i've got you guys on that one. Seriously though thank you for your help guys, i shall have a good look at the suggestions you've made

the thing is, Ryzen is depending on teh frequency for the Infinity Fabric. Intel si depending on low CAS. So a 2400MHz CL10 (e.g. Corsair Dominator Platinum) or a 3200MHz CL14 (G.Skill Trident Z) will massivly outperform higher frequency with high CAS like CL19 nearly always.

Ive done a lot of RAM testing and overclokign the last year and the advantages of a hgiher frequency beyond 3200MHz never paid off. It was always the timings you should look into.

[Monk]

This is the board in question, the msi z390 Meg godlike https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z390-GODLIKE.html for the very high end it beats out the Asus due to its better (read crazy) vrm.

But, honestly, if you need to ask about these things, you do not need the top tier board, they have features you will never use and are more for competitive overclocker going sub zero etc.
I say this as someone who has extreme systems and has been in the 3dmark hof top 100 and I've never felt the need for such boards.
now, if you just want them for the looks or to have 'the best' and can easily afford it, that's different, but I feel it important to point out just how excessive these boards are for 99% of people.

[Malygos]

Originally posted by Sceptr:

The good point of forums especially this one is you can come with an idea of what you want and get convinced to go another route. I'm intending to buy the i9 9900k (wait for it :O0 so the MSI godlike, which one were you talking about, i would like a few usb's on the back? I'm looking at G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB Kit DDR4 3866MHz RAM now.

Tacoshy i think you mean thrice as expensive. We all have our talents and i'm pleased i helped you out there. :D JK ;)

EDIT: While i remember i want to run three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz one

Ahh three monitors, a 4k, a 144hz nad a 60hz i've got you guys on that one. Seriously though thank you for your help guys, i shall have a good look at the suggestions you've made

Still gonna be pointless have you ever gone over 3400mhz on ram? Its a huge pain especially on sticks that xmp that high just get 3200mhz cl14 because its also gonna dip into making your cpu overclock a massive pain in the ass. Besides i can think of 3 maybe 4 games that will benefit and give you maybe a 2fps with the best timings you can get and good speeds its just not worth it

[Viper]

Ram speeds don't make a whole lot fo difference. The performance gain is minimal at best. Ram is so fast in the first place and the amount of time the CPU spends accessing memory is only a small slice of the overall time it takes for apps to do things.

[Magik]

Originally posted by Viper:

Ram speeds don't make a whole lot fo difference. The performance gain is minimal at best. Ram is so fast in the first place and the amount of time the CPU spends accessing memory is only a small slice of the overall time it takes for apps to do things.

200% accurate. Best advice for sure!

[Dïngus]

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by Dingus:

Scroll down on the ASUS link to "Memory", well, after clicking specs to the right. Click the "check QVL", look in there for the specified ram.

qvl is pointless, there are so many boards and ram dimms/kits its nearly impossible to test them all and they do not say which kits 'fail'
nearly all ram kits are compatable with all boards

Yeah usually. But the QVL will at least show you problem setups. Like some will not qork in quad channel over a certain size. Some will only run up to 3200mhz, with max 8gb per dimm, but only in 2 dimms, not single, triple or quad etc etc.

Aiming for something that is proven to work could save alot of headache.

[Sceptr]

Originally posted by Monk:

This is the board in question, the msi z390 Meg godlike https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z390-GODLIKE.html for the very high end it beats out the Asus due to its better (read crazy) vrm.

But, honestly, if you need to ask about these things, you do not need the top tier board, they have features you will never use and are more for competitive overclocker going sub zero etc.
I say this as someone who has extreme systems and has been in the 3dmark hof top 100 and I've never felt the need for such boards.
now, if you just want them for the looks or to have 'the best' and can easily afford it, that's different, but I feel it important to point out just how excessive these boards are for 99% of people.

Thanks Monk, the only thing putting me off the MSI board is the lack of usb's at the back, the board itself looks good, apart from that the price is roughly the same as the Asus. I've read up on the VRM you mentioned, that sounds scary not having the correct or dodgy power feed to the CPU or graphics card.

The reason i originally chose the Asus board is i have been made redundent from work and have had a payout, so i can afford to make an new PC with top parts and keep my old one, my old one is 7 years old and for the new one i wanted to choose parts that will last way into the future so overclocking may be needed a few years down the line, i would use the software for overclocking. The water cooling sounds interesting though, i'm using a h115i for the new PC but the proper water cooling looks tempting and to have a 30 degree temp on max cpu setting would be awesome.

Just out of interest if you have time that is, if you were to build a new top notch PC what parts would you choose?

I have taken up a lot of your time so i won't feel bad if you don't bother picking parts, the info you have given me is treasured knowledge for me to go off. Thank you.

For you Ram guys, i will go with 3200mhz cl14, thank you so much for taking the time out to answer and to explain the realities of Ram. I wish i could give you guys Rep like on the old forum :)

[Monk]

I just looked at it closer, the godlike does only have 5 USB ports, which, is probably enough for most things does seem very low.

It's not that the Asus vrm is bad, it's that it's not what they said it is, and despite it apparently working very well and improving in some areas (actualhardcoreoverclocking did a break down for gamers nexus which went really in depth), it's, just, not as robust as we are used to on high end boards.

Even with a big payout, I still wouldn't get the extreme high end boards, other than looking cool with the old display (which I have on my main rigs x299 prime deluxe board and is kind of cool and useful if you can see it) and dimm.2 is cool if you were to regularly swap out nvme drives.... But, consumer cpu's don't really have enough pcie lanes so you won't be running more than 1 or 2 most likely anyway so isn't as useful as on the x299 boards.
They have features and designs for sub zero ln2 overclocking and monitoring voltage on the board, things I'm comfortable in saying (as you need to ask about these things) you won't be doing, hell, it's stuff I don't do and I've managed to get top 100 and top 10 scores on benchmarks.

As for what I would build, well, 18 months ago, give or take, I did my ultimate build binned and delided i9 7900X running at
4.8-5ghz, sli 1080ti ftw3 cards with shunt mods all under a £1400 custom water loop with 32GB corsair dominator platinum (3200MHz) on an Asus x299 deluxe board, the tower (a phantek enthoo primo) cost came in at around £6000 all in, and on that monstrosity, which is top 5 for like for like setups in the world I still didn't need the top end extreme motherboard.

A couple of weeks ago a stick of RAM died on my htpc, I used this as an excuse to build a new top end htpc / couch gaming rig.

It's sporting a i9 9900k (running stock but I have had it at 5.2GHz under a corsair h150i 360mm aio with stock fans) , 32GB corsair vengeance Pro rgb (3200MHz), a vega 64 (temporarily as I have a 1080ti ftw3 stuck in customs for 3 weeks and have since decided to go to a 2080ti ftw3) on an Asus maximus xi code motherboard, bought 2 days before the info about the vrm turned up but I've decided to keep it as I love the Asus bios and it seems to do the job well in spite of it and I chose the lian-li 011 dynamic case, as, frankly, it looks great while having great airflow and yet is pretty cheap at £115.

so, while others may have slightly better vrm, I guess I put my money where my mouth is and I'd say go for a maximus xi code, spec wise it matches the formula, minus some unnecessary watercooling features (I'd probably fit a mono block anyway) and it's shown it can get my chip to 5.2GHz at a respectable 1.35v and I don't see any need to go with the extreme instead, honestly, for 99.99% of people, I'd say the extreme will only be taken for looks, and, looks aren't worth £200, that's 200 bucks I'd rather put towards a custom loop in the future.

So I guess what would I build for a new high end rig is a pretty easy question as I've literally just built one.

You will want atleast a 360mm aio if you want to overclock the 9900k to its limits.

Sadly, you won't ever see 30c under load with even a custom loop, you would need a delided cpu and a chiller to get there at the minimum hehe.