ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ 2018년 11월 24일 오후 2시 51분
Air vs liquid cooling?
I need to know what I should go for in my pc.

I am NOT going to overclock, it will be run at stock speed.

It will have an intel core i9 9900k running 32gb ram and an nvidia 2080 ti

here are my options for cooling.

https://i.imgur.com/RIgLaAt.png

somebody that knows about this sort of thing help me out please :info:

Also while on the subject I understand case is also important in how well the computer stays cool, so I would like your input on my options there too. Currently its using a Coolermaster Mastercase h500, but other options are available.
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LoTekRabbit 2018년 11월 27일 오후 8시 04분 
Buying a 9900K and skimping out on a decent cooling setup is incredibly stupid. It doesn't matter if you are overclocking it or not.
tacoshy 2018년 11월 27일 오후 11시 33분 
cheetahblessing66님이 먼저 게시:
Liguid is quieter and keeps your pc cooler a fan is louder and depending a fan can acutually hurt the pc if the fan is super cheap but liquid is more of a risk for a leakage so id go for high quality liquid cooler

You have no idea what you talking of, do you?
Liquid cooling is not quiter. How to you cool the liquid? With fans... Just that the loudest part is the pump...
Also liquid doesn't keep you PC colder as the cooling performance is the same as with tower coolers with exceptions of large AIO (360) or custom loops as you have a larger bearding size when using large or multiple radiators.

Liquid is not more of a risk. When it is an AIO you have to mishandle it t OK make it leak and in case of a custom loop you test it befor actually running the entire PC. If it doesn't leak there, it won't leak later aswell.
Ad Hominem 2018년 11월 28일 오후 4시 46분 
Nah, you don't need a 360 for the 9900k, thats overkill bigtime. Something as simple as a 212 evo will technically run it if it's bone stock and you won't hit thermal throttle. But I don't really think the 9900k is a good value proposition in the first place. You can do just as well for hundreds less.
Monk 2018년 11월 28일 오후 4시 51분 
Ad Hominem님이 먼저 게시:
Nah, you don't need a 360 for the 9900k, thats overkill bigtime. Something as simple as a 212 evo will technically run it if it's bone stock and you won't hit thermal throttle. But I don't really think the 9900k is a good value proposition in the first place. You can do just as well for hundreds less.

A simple reply for this.
You.
Are.
Wrong.
Ad Hominem 2018년 11월 28일 오후 5시 09분 
Monk님이 먼저 게시:
Ad Hominem님이 먼저 게시:
Nah, you don't need a 360 for the 9900k, thats overkill bigtime. Something as simple as a 212 evo will technically run it if it's bone stock and you won't hit thermal throttle. But I don't really think the 9900k is a good value proposition in the first place. You can do just as well for hundreds less.

A simple reply for this.
You.
Are.
Wrong.

Which part? First or second? Or both? How about this, if you spend 800 dollars on a CPU, don't buy the 30 dollar cooler. Even if I'm positive it would work without throttling at bone stock speeds and a good airflow case. It won't turbo up to 5.1 for very long, if at all. You'll probably have temps up in the high 80's but that's still under thermal throttle temps. It's probably comparable to an overclocked 8700k as far as heat generation goes. I can't find anyone who was silly enough to test it on youtube or anything, but I'd put 5 bucks that it'll work for gaming and regular office use. If you need to render or stream then probably not though.
Monk 2018년 11월 28일 오후 6시 27분 
OK, while a 212 would technically work, it's a bad idea, a very bad one, to get the best out of the 9900k you need good cooling, that basically comes down to the very best tower coolers or high end aio's before you look at custom setups.

As for the value, that's questionable and can only be appreciated on a case by case basis, as for other options doing it for hundreds less, again, questionable at best, for hundreds less that pretty much means the 2700x, which, is an amazing chip, but, it is also considerably slower in all tasks in comparison, what value that holds is personal mind you.
There is the first gen threadrippers to consider, which, when it comes to raw cores, will win out, but if the job requires speed will get spanked, TR also requires expensive Motherboards (not that you should put a 9900k on a cheap board, but, there are options).

Point is, you can't really run the cpu properly on anything shy of high end cooling solutions and there isn't really a cheaper option which matches its performance in tasks it is capable of, as being slower, isn't doing the same job.

It is a very niche product, and honestly hard to suggest as it comes at a premium, and for gaming, it is overkill.
This is what i use and underload it keeps my cpu at 60c. Used it through 4 builds.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1577366696
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Ad Hominem 2018년 11월 28일 오후 8시 04분 
Monk님이 먼저 게시:
OK, while a 212 would technically work, it's a bad idea, a very bad one, to get the best out of the 9900k you need good cooling, that basically comes down to the very best tower coolers or high end aio's before you look at custom setups.

As for the value, that's questionable and can only be appreciated on a case by case basis, as for other options doing it for hundreds less, again, questionable at best, for hundreds less that pretty much means the 2700x, which, is an amazing chip, but, it is also considerably slower in all tasks in comparison, what value that holds is personal mind you.
There is the first gen threadrippers to consider, which, when it comes to raw cores, will win out, but if the job requires speed will get spanked, TR also requires expensive Motherboards (not that you should put a 9900k on a cheap board, but, there are options).

Point is, you can't really run the cpu properly on anything shy of high end cooling solutions and there isn't really a cheaper option which matches its performance in tasks it is capable of, as being slower, isn't doing the same job.

It is a very niche product, and honestly hard to suggest as it comes at a premium, and for gaming, it is overkill.

I think earlier in the thread, OP said it would be for gaming, some streaming and possibly some rendering. You're right, the value here is going to be an individual assessment. I was wrong in saying it was not a good value. I should have said "in my opinion, the extra money isn't worth the performance you will gain". A 212 certainly wouldn't be ideal, in fact I think it's just about the smallest/cheapest you could use at bone stock without throttling. And I'm assuming that the motherboard doesn't have any sneaky turbo nonsense on by default, as most of them do. To get the most from this chip you're really going to want some really nice cooling. I think the original post was because OP was ordering from a system builder who had very limited options for cooling (which is odd considering they're selling such high end chips).
hawkeye 2018년 11월 28일 오후 9시 34분 
Cooling is more dependent of the incoming air temp than anything else. And the 212 isn't necessarily the best low-end cooler.

https://www.trustedreviews.com/guide/best-cpu-coolers
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ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ 2018년 11월 28일 오후 11시 31분 
I think judging by youtube and what has been said here I will go with Noctua NH D-15

It seems to perform as well as liquid coolers and comes with less risk of anything going wrong, like pumps breaking or leaking and having something as simple as a fan is much easier for somebody as tech inept as me to keep working fine.

This model is enough for a stock i9 9900k right? keeping in mind my room can get VERY warm during summer (around 35c was peak this summer, maybe even higher at some points)

If not I will just go with i7 8700k but what is all the talk I have seen about hyperthreading only been on i9?

I guess I also now need to find a UK store that will build a pc with that cooler and within my budget.
Autumn_ 2018년 11월 28일 오후 11시 46분 
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I think judging by youtube and what has been said here I will go with Noctua NH D-15

It seems to perform as well as liquid coolers and comes with less risk of anything going wrong, like pumps breaking or leaking and having something as simple as a fan is much easier for somebody as tech inept as me to keep working fine.

This model is enough for a stock i9 9900k right? keeping in mind my room can get VERY warm during summer (around 35c was peak this summer, maybe even higher at some points)

If not I will just go with i7 8700k but what is all the talk I have seen about hyperthreading only been on i9?

I guess I also now need to find a UK store that will build a pc with that cooler and within my budget.
It should be fine, a 360 AIO would be best bet, but if you're not overclocking, it will be fine.
Should stay below 70c. Which is perfectly fine, and considering it's such a hot chip.

I'm also from the UK, and yeah, the heat was a ♥♥♥♥♥ this year. But if the weather is like that again, it won't really be a problem, the cooler could handle it. Worst case, you turn your fans up higher.

And, every i7 up to 9th gen had hyperthreading. Then they dropped it (For seccurity reasons iirc.)
So the i7-8700k will have hyperthreading, 6 cores 12 threads.
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Monk 2018년 11월 29일 오전 1시 01분 
But the i7 9700k 8 core without hyperthreading is faster and more powerful than the 8700k, the 9900k now has both, to be honest, for pure gaming its overkill and the 9700k is all the chip you really need (but I like overkill which is why I have a 9900k and 7900x just for gaming lol)
Clint E 2018년 11월 29일 오전 3시 21분 
tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:
cheetahblessing66님이 먼저 게시:
Liguid is quieter and keeps your pc cooler a fan is louder and depending a fan can acutually hurt the pc if the fan is super cheap but liquid is more of a risk for a leakage so id go for high quality liquid cooler

You have no idea what you talking of, do you?
Liquid cooling is not quiter. How to you cool the liquid? With fans... Just that the loudest part is the pump...
Also liquid doesn't keep you PC colder as the cooling performance is the same as with tower coolers with exceptions of large AIO (360) or custom loops as you have a larger bearding size when using large or multiple radiators.

Liquid is not more of a risk. When it is an AIO you have to mishandle it t OK make it leak and in case of a custom loop you test it befor actually running the entire PC. If it doesn't leak there, it won't leak later aswell.
Liquid cooling is very quiet when done correctly. My fans dont even turn on until 45C and when they do its only 500 RPM. Never hear the pump, loudest thing on my PC is the HDD. But I am talking full loops, most of my buddies that do loops are wanting silent PC's
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Vulkan 2018년 11월 29일 오전 4시 35분 
If you have 3 grand to spend please please pleas for the love of God use scan.co.uk to configure you're pc not that website you're using a. Scan are the best pc builders in the UK and the cooling options given to you ar the latest and greatest .
tacoshy 2018년 11월 29일 오전 6시 36분 
W8lifts님이 먼저 게시:
tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

You have no idea what you talking of, do you?
Liquid cooling is not quiter. How to you cool the liquid? With fans... Just that the loudest part is the pump...
Also liquid doesn't keep you PC colder as the cooling performance is the same as with tower coolers with exceptions of large AIO (360) or custom loops as you have a larger bearding size when using large or multiple radiators.

Liquid is not more of a risk. When it is an AIO you have to mishandle it t OK make it leak and in case of a custom loop you test it befor actually running the entire PC. If it doesn't leak there, it won't leak later aswell.
Liquid cooling is very quiet when done correctly. My fans dont even turn on until 45C and when they do its only 500 RPM. Never hear the pump, loudest thing on my PC is the HDD. But I am talking full loops, most of my buddies that do loops are wanting silent PC's

Its because of the radiator size you have therefor you have a way higher TDP and can run fans slower for the same temperature.
The same rpm can be achieved in tower coolers too if you do t overclock. So in the end they not more silent, they just have a higher cooling performance which either can be used to keep the hardware colder or reduce the fan speed.

As general Statement that liquid custom loops are used for more silence is wrong. They can be used as explained above for it due to the fact of a higher TDP removal.
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