Air vs liquid cooling?

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

I need to know what I should go for in my pc.

I am NOT going to overclock, it will be run at stock speed.

It will have an intel core i9 9900k running 32gb ram and an nvidia 2080 ti

here are my options for cooling.

https://i.imgur.com/RIgLaAt.png

somebody that knows about this sort of thing help me out please

Also while on the subject I understand case is also important in how well the computer stays cool, so I would like your input on my options there too. Currently its using a Coolermaster Mastercase h500, but other options are available.

[RocketMan]

Publicado originalmente por Ad Hominem:

Publicado originalmente por 🌋↪ToƦcH↩🌋:

This is the part i dont get. If hes on a budget, he has no buisness buying a CPU in that price range, and any other cheaper thing would bottleneck it considerably

Who knows, maybe it was a gift. Maybe they're gonna get dual 2080ti's for christmas too. It's probably worth the money to get a slightly better cooler, but I stand by the idea that it can techinally run with a hyper 212 and not thermal throttle. It certainly won't boost to 5.1 for longer than a quick monent, but it won't drop below stock because of temps. Mayyybe you can get it to throttle if you run like prime95 or some other torture test, but I'm not even sure of that if you have a nice airy case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_NZBEA66BA

This fella tested this with the 8700k under stock speed and various overclocks. Even gaming OC'd to 4.8 it got up to 75 with the hyper 212 evo. Running realbench and some other cpu crunching software got it up into the 90s though. I know it's not the same cpu, but it's gotta be comparable, at least to the 4.8 oc numbers.

Seems like as long as you aren't doing rendering or stuff like that you'd be ok with the 212. Not saying it's the best option, just that it would work. Heck, I had my 8700k under a 212 evo for some time with all cores boosted to 4.7 and never got above 70c gaming and other normal use stuff.

The Mastercase h500 isn't a bad case either, especially if you go with the mesh up front rather than the plastic so the front fans can breathe easy.

Mate. It's an i9.

You're basically comparing a ryzen 7 to a thread ripper and saying the same cooler will work for both.

They do not have the same tdp.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por hot pocket:

basic cpu water cooler is just so much better than air coolers honestly, i've been a big supporter of air coolers but if you have the greens just get it water cooled. its quiet and runs much more stable compared to air coolers. and def lot less dust cause your not running 20 fans inside the machine to keep it cool

You still need fans to expel air and so air properly flows to the VRMs and other components because you get less of that with AIOs.

also liquid takes longer to absorb heat and retains heat longer as well, so the difference between a good air cooler and good AIO will really only be around 5 degrees depending on cooler quality; a good Noctua air cooler can outperform most 240mm AIOs and all 120mm AIOs. Once you get into 280mm and 360mm territory is when air coolers have a larger gap.

[FeilDOW]

Publicado originalmente por Mail me to the Moon:

Publicado originalmente por Ad Hominem:

Who knows, maybe it was a gift. Maybe they're gonna get dual 2080ti's for christmas too. It's probably worth the money to get a slightly better cooler, but I stand by the idea that it can techinally run with a hyper 212 and not thermal throttle. It certainly won't boost to 5.1 for longer than a quick monent, but it won't drop below stock because of temps. Mayyybe you can get it to throttle if you run like prime95 or some other torture test, but I'm not even sure of that if you have a nice airy case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_NZBEA66BA

This fella tested this with the 8700k under stock speed and various overclocks. Even gaming OC'd to 4.8 it got up to 75 with the hyper 212 evo. Running realbench and some other cpu crunching software got it up into the 90s though. I know it's not the same cpu, but it's gotta be comparable, at least to the 4.8 oc numbers.

Seems like as long as you aren't doing rendering or stuff like that you'd be ok with the 212. Not saying it's the best option, just that it would work. Heck, I had my 8700k under a 212 evo for some time with all cores boosted to 4.7 and never got above 70c gaming and other normal use stuff.

The Mastercase h500 isn't a bad case either, especially if you go with the mesh up front rather than the plastic so the front fans can breathe easy.

Mate. It's an i9.

You're basically comparing a ryzen 7 to a thread ripper and saying the same cooler will work for both.

They do not have the same tdp.

They do have the same TDP, it's just the i9 pulls about 20w more.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph13400/fgs.png

Ryzen 7 to threadripper is over 60w.

Also the 9900k has a soldered IHS while the 8700k is paste.

[Monk]

Anyone else think that Intel shuffling their naming schemes again is just confusing? Until now the 9900k would just be an i7, as they introduced i9 as the enthusiast HEDT chips for x299.

I3 was low end, some with some without hyperthreading
I5 was mid tier, no hyper threading.
I7 high end with hyper threading.
Then they added
I9 for HEDT
now we have
I3, I5 and i7 without hyperthreading, i9 consumer and i9 X HEDT both with hyperthreading

[Autumn_]

Publicado originalmente por Monk:

Anyone else think that Intel shuffling their naming schemes again is just confusing? Until now the 9900k would just be an i7, as they introduced i9 as the enthusiast HEDT chips for x299.

I3 was low end, some with some without hyperthreading
I5 was mid tier, no hyper threading.
I7 high end with hyper threading.
Then they added
I9 for HEDT
now we have
I3, I5 and i7 without hyperthreading, i9 consumer and i9 X HEDT both with hyperthreading

Yeah, I though that too.

Basically i9 9900k is just an i7 renamed.
The new i7 is an i5 renamed.
The new i5 is an i3 renamed.
And the i3 isn't here yet is it? So can't really comapre that.
But it seems like they just bumped everything up the line and put a larger price tag for pretty much the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Or at least that's how I see it.
(Sure you've got a little more cache in the i9 9900k, but everything else is pretty much the same.)

[tacoshy]

funny fact the HEDT 8 core 9800X is just an i7. Same performance with some extra features then the 9900K. While you have stuff like the 9900X will be confusing to a 9900K...

[Autumn_]

Publicado originalmente por tacoshy:

funny fact the HEDT 8 core 9800X is just an i7. Same performance with some extra features then the 9900K. While you have stuff like the 9900X will be confusing to a 9900K...

I agree.
Intel really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up on the naming.

[ER]

Reson may be that AMD "stole" the X399. But 9900X and the rest of this years lineup is not for me with a 7900X not to far from 5GHz. I have put my money on a hard to get 2080Ti FTW3 that dont have a powerlimit that come in to play and get some real gain in 4K and tripple 4K vs. 1080 SLI that not always work or give anything.
Now i need 4K 120hz monitor in 32" or bigger, ultrawide is no negative thing if thats what is the offer.

[Monk]

having both i9 9900k and i9 9900x is definetly the worse, especially as both arent really even new chips, the 9900x is 6th gen architecture based on skylake, the 9900k is 7th gen based on kabylake, hell they completely skipped 8000 for hedt.

then theres the issue that, technically speaking, the 9900k spanks the 9900x in performance outside of avx512, of course, the hedt models have extra features, but, it would be nice for the hedt chips to actually be top of the line when it comes to performance.

[GrizzGolf]

Isn’t liquid cooling risky?

[Monk]

Publicado originalmente por ER:

Reson may be that AMD "stole" the X399. But 9900X and the rest of this years lineup is not for me with a 7900X not to far from 5GHz. I have put my money on a hard to get 2080Ti FTW3 that dont have a powerlimit that come in to play and get some real gain in 4K and tripple 4K vs. 1080 SLI that not always work or give anything.
Now i need 4K 120hz monitor in 32" or bigger, ultrawide is no negative thing if thats what is the offer.

the ftw3 still has an aggressive power limit sadly, and no way are you gaming on tripple 4k without dropping alot of settings with only 1 2080ti lol

[Monk]

Publicado originalmente por GrizzGolf:

Isn’t liquid cooling risky?

aio's, not at all, custom loops, not if you are careful and test it properly.

[Ad Hominem]

Publicado originalmente por Mail me to the Moon:

Mate. It's an i9.

You're basically comparing a ryzen 7 to a thread ripper and saying the same cooler will work for both.

They do not have the same tdp.

They have the same TDP listed on the box. That's why I would compare an overclocked 8700k to the 9900k at stock. the 9900k is basically 8700k + 2 cores / 4threads and a handful of watts for power draw.

And the 212 evo can handle an 8700k at stock, or even a moderate overclock while gaming and typical consumer use (youtube, web browse, email, that sort of thing). If you need to render images or video, that's where the 212 evo comes up pretty weak.

Everybody sleeps on the 212 evo, but it's a badass entry level air cooler. But you can really do a lot with it. Just like everything else in the PC parts world, it depends on your usage.

I guess also you have to be aware of what settings come turned on by default on your motherboard. I'm assuming the 9900k is running stock stock, like the numbers it shows on the box. Gamers Nexus did a video not too long about that, showing the different power draw and thermals from different mobo's running "stock", but most of them had various boosts enabled by default that can add drastically to power draw and thermals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrumDWpl-c

[hawkeye]

I haven't watched the GN vid yet but different bios versions on the same mobo have been shown to run stock 9900k's at different temperatures. The 9700K and 9600K are impacted too, on some boards at least. So it is advisable, even essential, to do some research about which mobo/bios can run a 9xxx optimally.

Another option with a 9900k is to experiment with turning off cores/ht, monitoring power and temps and seeing if there is a performance difference.

[Autumn_]

Publicado originalmente por Ad Hominem:

Publicado originalmente por Mail me to the Moon:

Mate. It's an i9.

You're basically comparing a ryzen 7 to a thread ripper and saying the same cooler will work for both.

They do not have the same tdp.

They have the same TDP listed on the box. That's why I would compare an overclocked 8700k to the 9900k at stock. the 9900k is basically 8700k + 2 cores / 4threads and a handful of watts for power draw.

And the 212 evo can handle an 8700k at stock, or even a moderate overclock while gaming and typical consumer use (youtube, web browse, email, that sort of thing). If you need to render images or video, that's where the 212 evo comes up pretty weak.

Everybody sleeps on the 212 evo, but it's a badass entry level air cooler. But you can really do a lot with it. Just like everything else in the PC parts world, it depends on your usage.

I guess also you have to be aware of what settings come turned on by default on your motherboard. I'm assuming the 9900k is running stock stock, like the numbers it shows on the box. Gamers Nexus did a video not too long about that, showing the different power draw and thermals from different mobo's running "stock", but most of them had various boosts enabled by default that can add drastically to power draw and thermals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrumDWpl-c

I know I said earlier that there wasn't much difference between the i9-9900k and an i7-8700k.
They upped the cache, 2 extra cores, and IIRC the die larger is really ♥♥♥♥♥ on it (it's to thick or some ♥♥♥♥ like that.)
And it causes really high thermals, so you can't really compare the 2.

Also, if I'm correct, didn't the Z390 Mobos like to force the boost on the CPU to last longer than it should, resulting in much higher thermals and power draw?

And the Solder they're using on 9th gen really isn't that great, and iirc it's to thick, once again, resulting in higher temps.

And no one is denying the 212 evo is good, because it really is.
Just people like to overclock higher, so they have a preference when it comes to coolers, beefy as ♥♥♥♥.
On a budget though, it's almost always going to be reccomedned by one person or another.