adam4landry 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 2:57
Building My first gaming pc
Hi guys i am building a "i5 8600k MSI GAMING PLUS Gaming PC" this is my first build i am very super hype so i also need some tips here the parts i am using. (Also please note that there are some parts i don't have yet.)

1: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 Mid tower Gaming case (grey version) "Have it"

2: MSI Z370 GAMING PLUS (Intel version) "Don't have it yet"

3: Intel i5 8600k Cpu "Don't have it yet"

4: Cooler master Hyper 212 evo cpu fan "Don't have it yet"

5: Corsair Vengeance 16gb ddr4 ram (2x8 sticks) "Don't have it yet"

6: Msi Geforce Gtx Armor 1070 8gb GPU "Don't have it yet"

7: 3.5 4 TB Hard Drive (or 8 TB) "Don't have it yet"

8: 2.5 500gb ssd drive "Don't have it yet"

9: Power supply (still did not decide) "Don't have it yet"

Now i have some "Question" and i need some tips so i hope someone i can help me.

Question #1: The case i got look nice there is one little flaw in it the top of the case does not have a dust cover i am investing to get two 120 mm dust covers for that area also i worry about air flow because i want to ad two 120 mm fans up there can anyone recommend any type of dust cover that would be best ????

Question #2: I notice the case only have one fan in it so i am removing that fan and getting 5 new 120mm fans i place 2 fans in the front, 2 fans on the top, 1 fan in the rear. Now the fan i am getting maybe are corsair air series sp 120 Led Green fans or some cooler master rgb 120 mm fans now i can decide witch to go with, the corsair look super it would give my tower a interesting look as for the cooler master rgb fans they can sync with Msi Mystic light i can give a green glow plus ad some beat when i play music on my pc and make it breathe to make it come to life man the possibility are endless what do guys think i should get ???

Question #3: Now like the fans i am going with corsair rgb ram sticks they are 3200mhz (Model CMR16GX4M2C3200C16) i have no idea if they will work with the Msi Mystic light of the motherboard i chose ????

Question #4: The Gpu i chose Msi Geforce Gtx Armor 1070 8gb i have like no idea if the gpu will fit in my build ???

Question #5: I have three question about the cpu fan 1: Will this cpu fan block some ram slots ??? 2: I want to place two fans in the top area will the cpu fan i chose give enough space two fan there ??? 3: The cpu fan has one fan is it a good idea to ad a second fan to it ????

Question #6: Now the ssd and the hdd drives, i have two programs "Big fish Games" and "Steam Games" the rig i am building is for games ONLY!!! anyway i am using a 3.5 hdd 4TB drive for my steam games (hope it will have enough space) and 2.5 ssd 500GB drive i using it for my big fish games, now the ssd drive i have no idea if i should go with 500GB or 2TB or again should i buy a other 4TB to install window 10 and my big fish games what do you guys think ????

Question #7: Now finally the power supply i have no idea what to buy should i buy a 750w one or higher to run all my parts ???


Now that all the question i have for now i hope someone can help me.

Oh and please note i don't want to Overclock my cpu but can i still play my games in stock setting ????
最后由 adam4landry 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:00
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Omega 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:16 
1. I wouldn't bother with mounting fans in the top, it will mess up the airflow and cause a lot more dust to enter the case. Two in the front and one in the back is all you need. The case fans are going to bring in more dust then is going to fall through that hole, I wouldn't worry about it. If you do insist on having dust filters you can buy dust filters for 120mm and 140mm fan holes online and they should fit your case just fine.

2. Maybe get a better case then instead. The Spec-04 isn't that great in my opinion, it has a lot to wish for. Just get any RGB fans, but it's not worth it. You will be a dropping a lot of money on fans with pretty lights (more then you are spending on the case). For what this case + RGB fans is going to cost you can buy a case such as the Corsair Crysal 460x RGB. Which includes 3 RGB fans and is overal a better case.

3. Aura should be capable of controlling the RGB RAM sticks just fine.

4. Will fit just fine.

5. 1. No. 2. Yes, and I wouldn't put two fans up there, expensive and useless, only makes temps and dust worse. 3. It's a rather thin cooler, no need for multiple fans.

6. Your Steam profile says you only have 32 games. A 2tb HDD will likely be more then enough for you. 2tb SSDs are really expensive. I wouldn't install Windows on a HDD, doing so makes the PC run slow and unreponsive.

7. A quality 650w Gold rated PSU is more then enough.


Maybe you spend less on the looks, "ultimate cooling" and 5+tb of storage and more on the stuff that is actually going to be running your games. If you drop that RGB fan idea you can buy a Ryzen 7 or i7 instead of the i5. If you drop the 2tb SSD + 4tb HDD idea you can buy a GTX 1080/Vega 64 etc..
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:26 
As above. Drop the RGB Idea, keep your case and get the 4 pack 120mm fans. I can get the 4 pack for $20, and that is in Canadistan $$$.

Just note, if you happen to change to a Ryzen system. Check the mobo JEDEC specs for ram speed. Should be 2666mhz. If you go and use XMP or AMP in the bios to use 3200mhz ram on a Ryzen system, it actually voids your warranty for the ram, and the motherboard. It might even void the cpu warranty but I havnt looked into that.

Although alot of places will not ask questions or even be able to tell you used the OC bios setting. Its also weird they would add that to said bios, but then hide the fine print in their warranty statement. Believe it or not, ANY OC voids the manufacturers warranty. Even if they give you the means to OC right in the bios.
最后由 Dïngus 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:28
Viper 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:02 
Dust is mostly a case of how many exhaust fans compared to how many input fans you have. I have 3 front 2 top and 1 rear fan and have hardly any dust. at all in my case. The ariflow is balanced or almost neutral pressure the 3 front are all input and the 2 top are on my water cooler and exhaust as well as the back being exhaust. They are all the same kind of fans. Corsair SP120 RGB. More fans do no mean more dust. The airflow in your case determines how much dust your case pulls in. Usually more input than exhaust makes your case very dusty inside. In a months time my case does not even have hardly any dust at all.
最后由 Viper 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:04
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:19 
引用自 Viper
Usually more input than exhaust makes your case very dusty inside.

A higher static pressure will keep your case from sucking in air from every crack/vent/what have it. A lower static pressure will bring in more dust through said cracks etc, and will add dust into areas you cannot see.

Another mistake people make is not considering the PSU airflow. 3 fans pushing in, 2 out plus 1 PSU = slighly higher static case pressure(nominal), to a point where dust will not get sucked into those cracks and hard to reach spaces. Unless of course you have a PSU that pulls air from the floor area or outside the case).

Higher airflow will also help with keeping dust particles "mobile", meaning TOO high of a pressure(in a low output flow situation) will cause dust particles to slow down, and drop onto your components. Which is where you are right.

In conclusion, the best airflow situation is slightly above outside case pressure. AKA 3 fans in, 2 out, plus PSU(that pulls from inside air).
最后由 Dïngus 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:23
Viper 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:25 
My PSU is isolated..sucks in air from the bottom exhausts it out the back.

I would guess my radiator on my 2 top fans effects its air pressure however. So I probably do have a slightly positive pressue. Anyway its very clean case. After 6 moths of use I had a barely light dusting of dust to clean out. Although i do have dust filters on top and front. But the case is very open . Corsair Crystal 570X. So there is lots of spaces for dust to come in if the airflow was bad. It has glass panels with a 1/4 inch gap between the glass and case on all sides.
最后由 Viper 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:33
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:30 
引用自 Viper
My PSU is isolated..sucks in air form the bottom exhausts it out the back.

Probably the perfect balance then. The 3 in, is slightly above 3 out, with 2 of the out restricted by the radiator. Roughly a ratio of 3:2.5.

So anyways, All I did was clarify your statement. You are right, but only if case pressure is like 3:1 or something where dust has a chance to slow down and drop out of the flow.

Negative case pressure like on alot of old HP systems was a big cause of dust collecting in weird places, like behind the CPU on the motherboard, and inside/around the buttons and optical drives.

最后由 Dïngus 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:35
Viper 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:36 
引用自 Dingus
引用自 Viper
My PSU is isolated..sucks in air form the bottom exhausts it out the back.

Probably the perfect balance then. The 3 in, is slightly above 3 out, with 2 of the out restricted by the radiator. Roughly a ratio of 3:2.5.

So anyways, All I did was clarify your statement. You are right, but only if case pressure is like 3:1 or something where dust has a chance to slow down and drop out of the flow.

Negative case pressure like on alot of old HP systems was a big cause of dust collecting in weird places, like behind the CPU on the motherboard, and inside/around the buttons.

Yea i agree with you defintelly. I think more airflow is better to as long as you have the right ratio of input to exhaust with slightly positive pressure.
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:36 
Also, for anyone reading. If you have a front filter, and none on the back. With equal in/out fan ratio. You will be creating a negative static pressure situation.
adam4landry 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 5:01 
引用自 Dingus
As above. Drop the RGB Idea, keep your case and get the 4 pack 120mm fans. I can get the 4 pack for $20, and that is in Canadistan $$$.

Just note, if you happen to change to a Ryzen system. Check the mobo JEDEC specs for ram speed. Should be 2666mhz. If you go and use XMP or AMP in the bios to use 3200mhz ram on a Ryzen system, it actually voids your warranty for the ram, and the motherboard. It might even void the cpu warranty but I havnt looked into that.

Although alot of places will not ask questions or even be able to tell you used the OC bios setting. Its also weird they would add that to said bios, but then hide the fine print in their warranty statement. Believe it or not, ANY OC voids the manufacturers warranty. Even if they give you the means to OC right in the bios.

Wow dingus I never new that OC would void my warranty on my cpu I am glade I don't want to OC the i5 8600k on a lighter note I drop the rgb idea and I want to go with green led fans 120mm of course for my case and the two top fans I want to put there will be to let the hot air out also can you tell me what type of ram can I use for this build ???
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 5:17 
引用自 adam4landry
引用自 Dingus
As above. Drop the RGB Idea, keep your case and get the 4 pack 120mm fans. I can get the 4 pack for $20, and that is in Canadistan $$$.

Just note, if you happen to change to a Ryzen system. Check the mobo JEDEC specs for ram speed. Should be 2666mhz. If you go and use XMP or AMP in the bios to use 3200mhz ram on a Ryzen system, it actually voids your warranty for the ram, and the motherboard. It might even void the cpu warranty but I havnt looked into that.

Although alot of places will not ask questions or even be able to tell you used the OC bios setting. Its also weird they would add that to said bios, but then hide the fine print in their warranty statement. Believe it or not, ANY OC voids the manufacturers warranty. Even if they give you the means to OC right in the bios.

Wow dingus I never new that OC would void my warranty on my cpu I am glade I don't want to OC the i5 8600k on a lighter note I drop the rgb idea and I want to go with green led fans 120mm of course for my case and the two top fans I want to put there will be to let the hot air out also can you tell me what type of ram can I use for this build ???

Always read the warranty card. They will say "void if overclocked". A cpu vendor will be able to see an OC, and a mobo vendor will also be able to see an OC if you are not able to get back in and revert your changes before RMA. BUT, I have never actually seen a denied RMA based off an OC failure....soo....either they do not check, don't care or what have it. But they CAN deny your warranty.

When using fans, you want slightly higher case pressure, not negative. if a fan is pushing against a radiator or a filter, it's effectiveness/flow will be lower. Also depends on how your PSU flows. I just replied about this above.

Anyways, for ram, check the motherboard specifications. Anything listed before JEDEC, is non OC. Also when purchasing ram, some will specifically state "for intel". That "for intel" is just a way of saying it has an extra onboard chip for the XMP (overclock setting in bios) that is supported.

Now you should use ram that is on the motherboards QVL (Qualified vendors list), which can be found on the motherboards website(obviously select the model you plan to buy), usually a .pdf.

Here is the QVL for that motherboard in your first post

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z370-GAMING-PLUS#support-mem-5

So you need more info then just "Corsair Vengeance 16gb ddr4 ram (2x8 sticks)"

Preferably just copy the model number, then ctrl + f, then ctrl + v on the msi QVL list.
最后由 rotNdude 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 22 日 上午 9:41
blackngecko 2018 年 11 月 21 日 下午 6:44 
yeah i know right
adam4landry 2018 年 11 月 22 日 上午 5:40 
引用自 Dingus
Here is the QVL for that motherboard in your first post

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z370-GAMING-PLUS#support-mem-5

So you need more info then just "Corsair Vengeance 16gb ddr4 ram (2x8 sticks)"

Preferably just copy the model number, then ctrl + f, then ctrl + v on the msi QVL list.

Huh i did not no that no offence this is my first build so i don't no much about the ram if it will work on my build however my brotherlaw might no more about this i will show him the link thank dingus.

By the way i wanted to ask this why does everyone want to overclock there cpu for gaming i don't get it what is this all about any ideas ????
tacoshy 2018 年 11 月 22 日 上午 6:14 
引用自 Omega
3. Aura should be capable of controlling the RGB RAM sticks just fine.

Nope - Corsair RGB RAM uses what software Omega? Corsair Link / Corsair Cue Asus Aura needs G.Skill Trident Z RGB.


引用自 Dingus
Just note, if you happen to change to a Ryzen system. Check the mobo JEDEC specs for ram speed. Should be 2666mhz. If you go and use XMP or AMP in the bios to use 3200mhz ram on a Ryzen system, it actually voids your warranty for the ram, and the motherboard. It might even void the cpu warranty but I havnt looked into that.

Uhm what? nope. Overclockign doesnt void warranty and actually it is nearly impossible to prove that you ever overclocked. As matter of fact for ryzen you should use at least 3000MHz for the infinity farbric. AMD always use AMP. XMP stands for Intel Extreme Memory Profile.


引用自 Dingus
引用自 Viper
Usually more input than exhaust makes your case very dusty inside.

A higher static pressure will keep your case from sucking in air from every crack/vent/what have it. A lower static pressure will bring in more dust through said cracks etc, and will add dust into areas you cannot see.

Another mistake people make is not considering the PSU airflow. 3 fans pushing in, 2 out plus 1 PSU = slighly higher static case pressure(nominal), to a point where dust will not get sucked into those cracks and hard to reach spaces. Unless of course you have a PSU that pulls air from the floor area or outside the case).


Static preasure is only the preasure that is appleid to the air in a narrow direction which is needed for thick radiators or dense dust covers. It will not suck air from every crack or vent. Airflow is designed to apply with the same air volume movement oevr a wider aread. not to push it in anarrow direction btu to spread it in a widther arc. In the end they have both the same preasure, just one is focused at one point and the other focused in an arc.

PSU takes no advantage of an airflow int eh case. In fact cases are normally designed nowadays to suck air from the bottom and push it out the rear. The PSU is like a FE GPU desgined. a Single fan pulls air in and pushed the air otuside the case from the side where you plug in the power cable.
Like you wrote at the end.



引用自 adam4landry
Wow dingus I never new that OC would void my warranty on my cpu

He is wrong. CPU wise it cant be prooven that you ever OC'ed it. Unless of course you fry your CPU by activly disabling security features and doesnt cool it proberly. Such comment are only made by ppl that never OC'ed. No person that ever OC'ed would state such things.


引用自 adam4landry
Huh i did not no that no offence this is my first build so i don't no much about the ram if it will work on my build however my brotherlaw might no more about this i will show him the link thank dingus.

By the way i wanted to ask this why does everyone want to overclock there cpu for gaming i don't get it what is this all about any ideas ????

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Master_Race_Geeks/discussions/0/2747650363459040918/

all you need to know about RAM. Every DDR4 RAM speed is 2133MHz. If you buy a 3200MHz kit, it is still 2133MHz. 3200MHz is just garunteed to run when Overclocked manually or through the auto-OC profile saved by the manufacturer on the RAM stick. That is called XMP/AMP and needs to be activated manually by a motherboard supporting the overclock of RAM.
最后由 tacoshy 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 22 日 上午 7:23
adam4landry 2018 年 11 月 22 日 上午 6:27 
引用自 tacoshy
引用自 Omega
3. Aura should be capable of controlling the RGB RAM sticks just fine.

Nope - Corsair RGB RAM uses what software Omega? Corsair Link / Corsair Cue Asus Aura needs G.Skill Trident Z RGB.


引用自 Dingus
Just note, if you happen to change to a Ryzen system. Check the mobo JEDEC specs for ram speed. Should be 2666mhz. If you go and use XMP or AMP in the bios to use 3200mhz ram on a Ryzen system, it actually voids your warranty for the ram, and the motherboard. It might even void the cpu warranty but I havnt looked into that.

Uhm what? nope. Overclockign doesnt void warranty and actually it is nearly impossible to prove that you ever overclocked. As matter of fact for ryzen you should sue at least 3000MHz for the infinity farbric. AMP always use AMP. XMP stands for Intel Extreme Memory Profile.


引用自 Dingus

A higher static pressure will keep your case from sucking in air from every crack/vent/what have it. A lower static pressure will bring in more dust through said cracks etc, and will add dust into areas you cannot see.

Another mistake people make is not considering the PSU airflow. 3 fans pushing in, 2 out plus 1 PSU = slighly higher static case pressure(nominal), to a point where dust will not get sucked into those cracks and hard to reach spaces. Unless of course you have a PSU that pulls air from the floor area or outside the case).


Static preasure is only the preasure that is appleid to the air in a narrow direction which is needed for thick radiators or dense dust covers. It will not suck air from every crack or vent. Airflow is designed to apply with the same air volume movement oevr a wider aread. not to push it in anarrow direction btu to spread it in a widther arc. In the end they have both the same preasure, just one is focused at one point and the other focused in an arc.

PSU takes no advantage of an airflow int eh case. In fact cases are normally designed nowadays to suck air from the bottom and push it out the rear. The PSU is like a FE GPU desgined. a Single fan pulls air in and pushed the air otuside the case from the side where you plug in the power cable.
Like you wrote at the end.



引用自 adam4landry
Wow dingus I never new that OC would void my warranty on my cpu

He is wrong. CPU wise it cant be prooven that you ever OC'ed it. Unless of course you fry your CPU by activly disabling security features and doesnt cool it proberly. Such comment are only made by ppl that never OC'ed. No person that ever OC'ed would state such things.


引用自 adam4landry
Huh i did not no that no offence this is my first build so i don't no much about the ram if it will work on my build however my brotherlaw might no more about this i will show him the link thank dingus.

By the way i wanted to ask this why does everyone want to overclock there cpu for gaming i don't get it what is this all about any ideas ????

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Master_Race_Geeks/discussions/0/2747650363459040918/

all you need to know about RAM. Every DDR4 RAM speed is 2133MHz. If you buy a 3200MHz kit, it is still 2133MHz. 3200MHz is just garunteed to run when Overclocked manually or through the auto-OC profile saved by the manufacturer on the RAM stick. That is called XMP/AMP and needs to be activated manually by a motherboard supporting the overclock of RAM.

Wow tacoshy you no a lot like i said i don't want to oc my cpu to play my games i want to play at stock level is there a reason to oc in gaming ???
Dïngus 2018 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 tacoshy




Uhm what? nope. Overclockign doesnt void warranty and actually it is nearly impossible to prove that you ever overclocked. As matter of fact for ryzen you should use at least 3000MHz for the infinity farbric. AMD always use AMP. XMP stands for Intel Extreme Memory Profile.

Notice how I said XMP AND AMP in my comment?

Also have you every read manufacturers warranty? They specifically state that OVERCLOCKING VOIDS WARRANTY.

Static preasure is only the preasure that is appleid to the air in a narrow direction which is needed for thick radiators or dense dust covers. It will not suck air from every crack or vent. Airflow is designed to apply with the same air volume movement oevr a wider aread. not to push it in anarrow direction btu to spread it in a widther arc. In the end they have both the same preasure, just one is focused at one point and the other focused in an arc.

What? I deal with fluid flow on a daily basis. And air is a gas, that acts like a fluid, just compressible. What you said makes zero sense in engineering terms. Even a technician would have no clue what you just tried to explain.

When you have a LOWER case pressure(not a vaccum, as you will NEVER get a vaccum using fans), it will, I repeat WILL suck air in from wherever it can. AKA cracks, buttons, optical drives, anything.

PSU takes no advantage of an airflow int eh case. In fact cases are normally designed nowadays to suck air from the bottom and push it out the rear. The PSU is like a FE GPU desgined. a Single fan pulls air in and pushed the air otuside the case from the side where you plug in the power cable.
Like you wrote at the end.

PSUs for ages sucked air from the case. Some PSUs/cases and prebuilt systems still come with this design. So YES, like I said, if the psu is pulling from the case, IT does effect the airflow. So having 1 in fan, and one out fan, with this design of PSU, WILL create a lower then atmospheric condition. AKA "negative pressure", which itself is not the correct term, but we know what it means.

He is wrong. CPU wise it cant be prooven that you ever OC'ed it. Unless of course you fry your CPU by activly disabling security features and doesnt cool it proberly. Such comment are only made by ppl that never OC'ed. No person that ever OC'ed would state such things.

Great assumption! My first OC system was back in 2004. Ever heard of an Abit AV8 without the UGURU utility? AKA you had to OC it yourself. Interesting. Have you ever had to bus match ram and CPU frequencies? Probably not.

If a motherboard is RMA'd, it's memory profile will still be on it. I'm sure a CPU also *might* have a way to check the last running clock. Like how even old cpu's knew how long they were turned on for, even after the motherboard was switched. Interesting eh?

Ram also uses a seperate chip, that is only activated when XMP/AMP sends it a signal to turn on. Guess what happens when you return that ram? They can see that that chip was active.

Like I said though, I have never seen an actual warranty denied due to OC, but that might be because the RESALER does not have the proper diagnostic equipment like the manufacturer does. Guess what probably happens to the resaler once then RMA hardware for you? They likely get shafted, if not sometimes.


all you need to know about RAM. Every DDR4 RAM speed is 2133MHz. If you buy a 3200MHz kit, it is still 2133MHz. 3200MHz is just garunteed to run when Overclocked manually or through the auto-OC profile saved by the manufacturer on the RAM stick. That is called XMP/AMP and needs to be activated manually by a motherboard supporting the overclock of RAM.

Once again this is wrong. If you ACTUALLY READ WHAT I POSTED you would realize that JEDEC updated their specs in 2017, and now Ram manufacturers can run higher frequencies, up to 2666mhz, USING THE SAME VOLTAGE.


It's almost like everything you post, you pulled out of a dark smelly place. Honestly.

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