Vega64

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Is a vega64 a good gpu choice if im going for a 1440p gameing pc build with a freesync monitor?
And dont want ti pay £700+ for RTX

[愛と愛]

Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

Just stay away from AMD; they dont have anything good for extreme Gaming, period.
All they have are cheap GPUs focused around 1080p gameplay, nothing more.

Look for the sales on NVIDIA GTX 10 series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4f_Hb5iKXs
AMD Vega 64 Crossfire has been beaten 1080 Ti SLI.
4K Ultra 80fps.
Why should he stay from AMD?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Cause it's non-sense for one; Vega can't touch 1080 Ti; I owned both, and yes, 2x of each.
I don't look at these stupid videos from idiots who don't have a clue, I do it myself, why I need some paid junkie on YT to tell me.

[愛と愛]

Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

Cause it's non-sense for one; Vega can't touch 1080 Ti; I owned both, and yes, 2x of each.
I don't look at these stupid videos from idiots who don't have a clue, I do it myself, why I need some paid junkie on YT to tell me.

and CPU can affect your FPS too so had overclocked 1800X to 3.7 Ghz saw in description.

Първоначално публикувано от icon_of_sin:

A few comments have talked aboot 60hz being out of dste andvwont get the most dt oot of a gpu

Surely it is you combined resolution and refresh rate that needs to be sufficiently high not to waste the gpu potential.

4k 60hz is fine
1080p 144hz is fine
1080p 60hz is a gpu waste

Incidentally a 4k 144hz would be a waste of monitor potential because even a rtx card wont be able to do 144fps @ 4k

Gonna get 1080 Ti SLI for my 1080p 60hz and keep it for 10 years for high demanding. never go under 30 fps.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Първоначално публикувано от ConnorRK800 | CombatCipher:

Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

Cause it's non-sense for one; Vega can't touch 1080 Ti; I owned both, and yes, 2x of each.
I don't look at these stupid videos from idiots who don't have a clue, I do it myself, why I need some paid junkie on YT to tell me.

and CPU can affect your FPS too so had overclocked i7 7770k to 5.0 Ghz saw in description.

Now you really are just making crap up.
Sure OC'ed CPU can help, but not in everything. Many games will run about the same regardless of what the CPU is OC'ed to. Now obviously if the CPU was lacking that could of course hurt the game performance or benchmarks. But an OC doesn't just magically give Vega better performance to then beat a 1080 Ti; so you can just stop right there. Cause it would increase performance all-around, not help one and not the other.

7700K isn't even really good enough for running 2x Vega64 or 2x GTX 1080 Ti anyways.

[Monk]

I don't see any sli 1080ti numbers while skipping through the video, as someone with sli 1080ti, and a Vega 64, there s no way in hell cross fire vega64 beats sli 1080ti's, same way the Vega 64 can't come close to the 1080ti.

[Revelene]

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

No, it is not the same. If you think having sync is the same as no sync, then you clearly do not have the knowledge, nor experience, to be giving advice about this subject.

144hz with FreeSync or Gsync syncronizing 100hz with 100 fps, will be a smooth experience with no tearing. 120 fps on a static 100hz will not be smooth and will have partial frame delivery (tearing). FreeSync and Gsync do more than simply change the refresh rate.

Okay then.. there's no changing your mind. So just have it and and continue misinforming everyone because you're the expert here and you know absolutely everything about every possible display technology, and you're never wrong about anything in life.

Everything I stated can be fact checked. No misinformation here, except for your comments.

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

Well he is correct to be honest. I mean there is nothing in-correct about what all he stated.

Except (I did make a typo earlier), using a 100hz Freesync monitor @ 100hz, is the same as using a 144 hz freesync monitor @ 100hz. The same way using a normal non-freesync 144hz monitor @ 100hz is the same as a normal non-freesync 100hz monitor @ 100hz. I should of been clearer in what I was trying to say earlier.

Revelene is literally saying "Buy a 144hz screen even though you're only using 100hz/100FPS! It's better because it has a bigger number on it!" Trying to mislead people and get them to spend more money for something they can't use.

That's the problem I have an issue with. It's completely wasteful.

With 100hz and 100fps, you will constantly be fluctuating between sync and no sync, or be forced to use traditional vsync when it tips over 100. You do understand that FreeSync and Gsync does NOT limit frames? Having a higher max refresh rate allows for these technologies to run consistently, rather than switch off or to another more traditional vsync.

Not wasteful, you just don't understand the technology.

Първоначално публикувано от FeilDOW:

Instead of arguing why not link some of these 2560x1440 100hz freesync monitors you talk about.

Първоначално публикувано от FeilDOW:

Indeed, and it makes the argument useless.

Absolutely agree.

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Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

It help if you could also learn to read my comments in-full...

Първоначално публикувано от Bad_Motha:

Buying crappy 60Hz Displays is a waste of money. There is not really a "good" 60Hz display @ 1080p or 1440p; they all suck and no one really makes ones for this based around new gen panels.

So what exactly did I miss? According to you there's not a good 60hz 1080p display. You're own words right there. Are you even reading what you're typing? You're not even making logical sense in your posts here.

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

With 100hz and 100fps, you will constantly be fluctuating between sync and no sync, or be forced to use traditional vsync when it tips over 100. You do understand that FreeSync and Gsync does NOT limit frames?

That I did not know and that's quite terrible from both a power and heat standpoint. No gpu should ever be running above any monitor's maximum refresh rate for any reason. Just wasteful on power and heat for nothing. Glad I learned.. I'll avoid all adaptive sync monitors forever now since I'm trying my best to keep all power in the house down as low as we can.

[Revelene]

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

With 100hz and 100fps, you will constantly be fluctuating between sync and no sync, or be forced to use traditional vsync when it tips over 100. You do understand that FreeSync and Gsync does NOT limit frames?

That I did not know and that's quite terrible from both a power and heat standpoint. No gpu should ever be running above any monitor's maximum refresh rate for any reason. Just wasteful on power and heat for nothing. Glad I learned.. I'll avoid all adaptive sync monitors forever now since I'm trying my best to keep all power in the house down as low as we can.

You didn't know, because you do not understand the technology, just like I said. Why are you trying to give advice on something you don't know?

You still fail to see the point. If you have 90-100 fps, like your previous example, a 144hz FreeSync or Gsync monitor will allow that frame rate to be consistently synced. Latency so low that it is negligible. That is the point.

And if you have a situation where the frames go over the refresh rate of the monitor, then you can use another form of vsync or a frame limiter. Gsync can be used in conjunction with any other vsync. Once max refresh rate is reached, the other form of vsync that you have set will engage. It is disengaged while Gsync is in operation.

BTW, your statement about frame rate should never go over refresh rate is simply subjective. There are plenty of advantages with frame rate going over refresh rate. Latency being a huge one, both in frame time and input latency.

No wasteful power or heat, you're using your GPU to it's fullest potential. Lowering GPU usage doesn't really help with power bills. Especially considering your examples. 100 fps at 100hz will have the same power usages as 100 fps with 144hz adaptive sync.

My advice, learn this stuff before trying to give advice on it.

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Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

No wasteful power or heat, you're using your GPU to it's fullest potential. Lowering GPU usage doesn't really help with power bills.

I can sit here and stare at nvidia-smi running on my 1080 Ti, 350 watts @ 100% utilization, 135 watts @ 60%. Also in games, Vsync off = 100% utilization & 350 watts again. Vsync on = 130-150 watts. Also heat.. Vsync off = 100% utilization & up to 60-62c, vsync on = 35-40c. Going over refresh rate like I said, is bad for heat and power. I actually strongly prefer a gpu setup where I'm -NOT- maxing out the video card all the time. Runs nice and cool, low power, all my games I want to play can run on max ultra graphics @ 100hz and averages 60% - 80% gpu usage and not maxed out or super hot. Everything's awesome. Best gaming video card setup I've ever had to date.

And I used to play on a R9 290X for a number of years, which sucked down roughly 450-475 watts when gaming, was always at 100% utilization struggling to handle most games @ 1080p/75 @ max settings and switching to the 1080 Ti and our monthly power bill dropped by roughly -$15/mo just from that. It definitely does effect things.

[Revelene]

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

No wasteful power or heat, you're using your GPU to it's fullest potential. Lowering GPU usage doesn't really help with power bills.

I can sit here and stare at nvidia-smi running on my 1080 Ti, 350 watts @ 100% utilization, 135 watts @ 60%. Also in games, Vsync off = 100% utilization & 350 watts again. Vsync on = 130-150 watts. Also heat.. Vsync off = 100% utilization & up to 60-62c, vsync on = 35-40c. Going over refresh rate like I said, is bad for heat and power. I actually strongly prefer a gpu setup where I'm -NOT- maxing out the video card all the time. Runs nice and cool, low power, all my games I want to play can run on max ultra graphics @ 100hz and averages 60% - 80% gpu usage and not maxed out or super hot. Everything's awesome. Best gaming video card setup I've ever had to date.

And I used to play on a R9 290X for a number of years, which sucked down roughly 450-475 watts when gaming, was always at 100% utilization struggling to handle most games @ 1080p/75 @ max settings and switching to the 1080 Ti and our monthly power bill dropped by roughly -$15/mo just from that. It definitely does effect things.

You left out a key part of the statement.

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

No wasteful power or heat, you're using your GPU to it's fullest potential. Lowering GPU usage doesn't really help with power bills. Especially considering your examples. 100 fps at 100hz will have the same power usages as 100 fps with 144hz adaptive sync.

Same performance, same relative power usage.

And we are not talking about a 1080 Ti and power consumption, we're talking about the Vega 64 and relative performance base in conjunction with FreeSync. If you wanted to argue power usage, then why not go the more logical path and debate Vega 64 vs GTX 1080?

Now that you cherry picked my previous comment, care to respond to everything else I typed?

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Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

And we are not talking about a 1080 Ti and power consumption, we're talking about the Vega 64 and relative performance base in conjunction with FreeSync. If you wanted to argue power usage, then why not go the more logical path and debate Vega 64 vs GTX 1080?

Yep, and Vega64 even water cooled and overclocked isn't powerful enough to sustain 144hz @ 1440p or 1080p in any modern games. And trying to do so would have it running 100% usage at all times, run silly high temps and 500+ watts of power (Not an arbitrary figure, documented by gamer's nexus). It's not a very logical choice for this kind of monitor/scenario.

[Revelene]

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

And we are not talking about a 1080 Ti and power consumption, we're talking about the Vega 64 and relative performance base in conjunction with FreeSync. If you wanted to argue power usage, then why not go the more logical path and debate Vega 64 vs GTX 1080?

Yep, and Vega64 even water cooled and overclocked isn't powerful enough to sustain 144hz @ 1440p or 1080p in any modern games. And trying to do so would have it running 100% usage at all times, run silly high temps and 500+ watts of power (Not an arbitrary figure, documented by gamer's nexus). It's not a very logical choice for this kind of monitor/scenario.

And now you are back to arguing about sustaining 144 again...

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Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

And now you are back to arguing about sustaining 144 again...

And that's what we're discussing here. Y'all want to run 1080p or 1440p @ 144hz screens with freesync on Vega64. That's what the topic's about so far. Or at least it's gone to there.

[Revelene]

Първоначално публикувано от Impending Rentacle Tape:

Първоначално публикувано от Revelene:

And now you are back to arguing about sustaining 144 again...

And that's what we're discussing here. Y'all want to run 1080p or 1440p @ 144hz screens with freesync on Vega64. That's what the topic's about so far. Or at least it's gone to there.

But you don't have to sustain 144 with FreeSync... we've been through this already.

[Monk]

Gamers nexus had the vega64 use like 500w with a custom bios pushing WAY more power through it than is normal or recommended.

It isn't nearly that bad in normal use and if a few hundred watts tank your power bill that much that you cannot afford it, perhaps high end gaming shouldn't be a priority?

Don't know how high your bills are, but here in the UK even with our horrendous price hikes over the last few years my bills haven't gone up much outside of price hikes despite having wayyy more power demanding kit, I really don't notice that much of a difference, really, if 5-15 bucks a month is enough to worry you,an $5-800 GPU shouldn't even be looked at lol.