I NEED RECIPE FOR GAMING PC COMPONENTS

[Wildsea]

Hi guys, I intend to purchase a new desktop pc and give my girlfriend my current one since hers isn’t running well lately. I know of a specialised online store in Spain where you can configure your pc choosing from a range of components and they set everything up and send it over to your house in a couple of days. I’m an English teacher and don’t feel prepared to do the set-up of components myself so this option is fine for me. Now the tough work is to make a choice from all the stuff available when it comes to pc components. I “designed” my current pc myself and I cannot be more satisfied but for some reason this time I’ve thought “hey, why don’t you let experts advise you on this?” I’m sure what’s quite hard for me, must be dead easy for people that are more into computer components.
So here goes my challenge if any of you wants to give me a hand on this. Below these lines I’m giving you the details of my current computer, and say I have a Budget of about 2,000 euro to spend (maybe 100 or 200 higher if it’s worth the money). What Frankenstein powerful desktop pc can you configure for me to order with that much money? The only requiment is for it to be way more powerful and better than my current pc, and ready for next gen games. Feel free to make a recipe for me with motherboard, cpu, gpu, air (liquid) ventilation, ssd, ram and dvd reader. No Windows, no screen, just the hardware components.

My current pc has these components:

-Motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-A
-CPU: Intel Core i7 5930K @ 3.5 GHz
-GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti Lightning 6 GBytes
-RAM DDR4 16 GBytes
-I know I have nice liquid ventilation but I don’t have brand or model right now.
-I have 2 separate ssd of 500 Gb each, which I think might be replaced by a single 1 terabyte ssd on the new computer.

Very grateful if you manage to set me up a powerful and balanced gaming pc for around 2,000 euros. Feel free to suggest brands and models. See ya!

[Sapph]

cpu: Ryzen 7 2700X/Intel i7 8700K/i7 9700K (Only take Intel if it's very close same price as the 2700X. Like within 50€, otherwise the Ryzen is better value.)

RAM: DDR4 3200Mhz 2x8Gb

motherboard: MSI/Asus X470/Z370 board with 8+4 phase VRM or better.

gpu: GTX 1080TI or RTX 2080 (whichever is cheaper)

psu: Seasonic Focus Plus Platinum 650W

SSD: Samsung 970 EVO M.2, any size you want/can fit into budget

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by Sapph:

cpu: Ryzen 7 2700X/Intel i7 8700K/i7 9700K (Only take Intel if it's very close same price as the 2700X. Like within 50€, otherwise the Ryzen is better value.)

RAM: DDR4 3200Mhz 2x8Gb

motherboard: MSI/Asus X470/Z370 board with 8+4 phase VRM or better.

gpu: GTX 1080TI or RTX 2080 (whichever is cheaper)

psu: Seasonic Focus Plus Platinum 650W

SSD: Samsung 970 EVO M.2, any size you want/can fit into budget

With a beefy air cooler. Works out cheaper than water. And would cool just as well as aios

[hawkeye]

this will be over 2000 euros but not that much based on FR prices on pcpartpicker.com

cpu (in order of preference) - intel i9-9900k (or i7-9700k, i7-8700k, amd 2700. The intel cpus are recommended for open world rpgs like bethesda's and ubisoft's)

gpu - rtx 2080 (or rtx 2070) for next gen games (rtx2070 is good enough for 1440p or 1080p)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQK1YIbA7g&t=902s
don't buy the nvidia brand cards, only asus, msi or gigabyte
get a 3 fan overclocked version

ssd - 250 gb for o/s, email, docs plus one 500gb or 1tb (I just buy 500gb's as I go. Having games and mods on separate ssd's means I can quickly remove an ssd but leave the o/s etc in the pc untouched

memory 2 x 8gb ddr4 3000 speed or better

psu - anything 700w tier 1 from this list
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

cooler - dark rock pro 4 air cooler or equivalent

windows 10

case etc

[Wildsea]

Thanks guys, I'm now struggling with the website setup. One question: Why does this cpu
https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-35ghz
cost twice as much as this other one
https://www.pccomponentes.com/procesador-amd-ryzen-5-2600-39-ghz
I easily get lost at this kind of doubts, not being sure if I'm spending my money well.

[hawkeye]

Originally posted by Wildsea:

Thanks guys, I'm now struggling with the website setup. One question: Why does this cpu
https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-35ghz
cost twice as much as this other one
https://www.pccomponentes.com/procesador-amd-ryzen-5-2600-39-ghz
I easily get lost at this kind of doubts, not being sure if I'm spending my money well.

threadripper is aimed at video publishers etc - more slow cores near useless for gaming as gaming benefits from faster cores

[rotNdude]

The Ryzen 5 2600 is a 6-core CPU and the Threadripper 1920x is a 12-core CPU. Twice the cores ~equates to twice the price.

[hawkeye]

If your requirement is a much better pc than your existing one, there are 2 main considerations - cpu and gpu benchmarks.

Cpus are rated by their single and multi thread speeds. This chart ranks them in single-thread order. Open each entry to see the multi-thread speed.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

for example, rounded off single-thread and multi-thread scores-
the i9-9900k - 29 / 204
8700k - 27 / 160
your 5930k - 21 /136
ryzen 2700x - 22 / 170

For gpus -
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
your 980ti - 11
2080 - 15
2070 - 13.5
1080ti - 14

So any of these last 3 cards will boost performance. But the new rtx cards have new DLSS and RTX graphics tech that is yet to appear in a released game.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by hawkeye:

If your requirement is a much better pc than your existing one, there are 2 main considerations - cpu and gpu benchmarks.

Cpus are rated by their single and multi thread speeds. This chart ranks them in single-thread order. Open each entry to see the multi-thread speed.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

for example, rounded off single-thread and multi-thread scores-
the i9-9900k - 29 / 204
8700k - 27 / 160
your 5930k - 21 /136
ryzen 2700x - 22 / 170

For gpus -
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
your 980ti - 11
2080 - 15
2070 - 13.5
1080ti - 14

So any of these last 3 cards will boost performance. But the new rtx cards have new DLSS and RTX graphics tech that is yet to appear in a released game.

You can't really go by these numbers for performance, because they make it seem like there is a HUGE difference between the 8700k and the 2700x, when infact there is very little difference between the 2, like 6-8%.
The 2700x will always be within 20 fps of the 8700k, and the gap will only be different in games like CSGO (But even a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a PC can get 200+ fps in that game.)

And, if I'm not mistaken, the i9-9900k is 10-15ish% faster than the 2700x, and in gaming, it's not going to make that much of a difference either.

Plus the Intel pricing at the moment is a joke; £650 for a i9-9900k. £500 for a i7-9700k. £400 for the i7-8700k.
The Ryzen 7 2700x is £300.
So, you're paying 100 more pound for 10-20 FPS more, or double for what 30-40 FPS(?)
Really doesn't seem worth it to me.


As for the numbers of the GPU, it makes it seem like there is a big difference between the cards there.
The 2080 is pretty much EXACTLY the same as the 1080ti, within 10 fps of eachother.
And they're priced the same, so it makes sense to get the cheapest decent brand one you can.
(If you're not worred about the aesthetics of the build.)

And the 2070 is pretty much a 1080, just a little better. (And they're priced around the same amount.)

Although, that's without their new features taken into account, but I thought I wouldn't include them because no games support them yet. And you'd pretty much be making a gamble getting one purely on ''''NEW GAMES COULD HAVE IT!'''

[hawkeye]

Originally posted by Autumn:

Originally posted by hawkeye:

If your requirement is a much better pc than your existing one, there are 2 main considerations - cpu and gpu benchmarks.

Cpus are rated by their single and multi thread speeds. This chart ranks them in single-thread order. Open each entry to see the multi-thread speed.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

for example, rounded off single-thread and multi-thread scores-
the i9-9900k - 29 / 204
8700k - 27 / 160
your 5930k - 21 /136
ryzen 2700x - 22 / 170

For gpus -
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
your 980ti - 11
2080 - 15
2070 - 13.5
1080ti - 14

So any of these last 3 cards will boost performance. But the new rtx cards have new DLSS and RTX graphics tech that is yet to appear in a released game.

You can't really go by these numbers for performance, because they make it seem like there is a HUGE difference between the 8700k and the 2700x, when infact there is very little difference between the 2, like 6-8%.
The 2700x will always be within 20 fps of the 8700k, and the gap will only be different in games like CSGO (But even a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a PC can get 200+ fps in that game.)

And, if I'm not mistaken, the i9-9900k is 10-15ish% faster than the 2700x, and in gaming, it's not going to make that much of a difference either.

Plus the Intel pricing at the moment is a joke; £650 for a i9-9900k. £500 for a i7-9700k. £400 for the i7-8700k.
The Ryzen 7 2700x is £300.
So, you're paying 100 more pound for 10-20 FPS more, or double for what 30-40 FPS(?)
Really doesn't seem worth it to me.


As for the numbers of the GPU, it makes it seem like there is a big difference between the cards there.
The 2080 is pretty much EXACTLY the same as the 1080ti, within 10 fps of eachother.
And they're priced the same, so it makes sense to get the cheapest decent brand one you can.
(If you're not worred about the aesthetics of the build.)

And the 2070 is pretty much a 1080, just a little better. (And they're priced around the same amount.)

Although, that's without their new features taken into account, but I thought I wouldn't include them because no games support them yet. And you'd pretty much be making a gamble getting one purely on ''''NEW GAMES COULD HAVE IT!'''

OP's brief was -

1) a way more powerful rig than he has now
2) a budget of 2000-2200 euro in Spain
3) a rig ready for next gen games

The alternative options given meet the brief.

Most of your comments don't relate to next generation games, but current games. That's why benchmarks are used, as they represent what the cpu or gpu is capable of.

Some next gen games definitely will have RTX and DLSS. That was confirmed and demonstrated at the RTX launch in DE. Battlefield and Tomb Raider were two of those confirmed, weren't they?

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by hawkeye:

Originally posted by Autumn:

You can't really go by these numbers for performance, because they make it seem like there is a HUGE difference between the 8700k and the 2700x, when infact there is very little difference between the 2, like 6-8%.
The 2700x will always be within 20 fps of the 8700k, and the gap will only be different in games like CSGO (But even a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a PC can get 200+ fps in that game.)

And, if I'm not mistaken, the i9-9900k is 10-15ish% faster than the 2700x, and in gaming, it's not going to make that much of a difference either.

Plus the Intel pricing at the moment is a joke; £650 for a i9-9900k. £500 for a i7-9700k. £400 for the i7-8700k.
The Ryzen 7 2700x is £300.
So, you're paying 100 more pound for 10-20 FPS more, or double for what 30-40 FPS(?)
Really doesn't seem worth it to me.


As for the numbers of the GPU, it makes it seem like there is a big difference between the cards there.
The 2080 is pretty much EXACTLY the same as the 1080ti, within 10 fps of eachother.
And they're priced the same, so it makes sense to get the cheapest decent brand one you can.
(If you're not worred about the aesthetics of the build.)

And the 2070 is pretty much a 1080, just a little better. (And they're priced around the same amount.)

Although, that's without their new features taken into account, but I thought I wouldn't include them because no games support them yet. And you'd pretty much be making a gamble getting one purely on ''''NEW GAMES COULD HAVE IT!'''

OP's brief was -

1) a way more powerful rig than he has now
2) a budget of 2000-2200 euro in Spain
3) a rig ready for next gen games

The alternative options given meet the brief.

Most of your comments don't relate to next generation games, but current games. That's why benchmarks are used, as they represent what the cpu or gpu is capable of.

Some next gen games definitely will have RTX and DLSS. That was confirmed and demonstrated at the RTX launch in DE. Battlefield and Tomb Raider were two of those confirmed, weren't they?

Give me a list of games that currently support RTX features.
Keyword CURRENTLY.

Edit :
The i9-9900k isn't worth the money, not while it's at this price, I don't care if it does have more power.
There is a point where price is just as important as performance.

i7-9700k really isn't worth it, price it still so high, and is very similar performance wise to the i7-8700k, so why 'waste' 100 quid?

And an i7-8700k will still run 'next gen games', and the performance won't be any different.
Because they're still not reliant on multithreaded performance, so it favors clockspeeds.
And both of the 9700 and 8700ks can do 5ghz easy, and perform the same, so either way, it's not going to matter, so why not pick the cheaper option?

As for the GPUs, at stock they perform the same, and aftermarket makes the gap a little larger.
But it's not going to matter, they'll both do fine.
And I'll say it again, it doesn't matter about RTX ♥♥♥♥, most games prolly won't even support it.
And the ones that do, it will run like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, because the hardware can't keep up.
''''40 FPS at 1080p with RTX on.''''
So, it's better to pick the cheaper option. 1080ti, or 2080.

And 'next gen games' graphical jump won't be substantial enough to warrant buying an overpriced GPU.
And both of those cards will run 1080-1440p just fine at ultra settings 100+ FPS.

A Ryzen 7 2700x or an i7-8700k, with a 1080ti / 2080 will be futureproof for years to come.