Which mobo is better?

[Blaquicat]

Hello!

I got two boards, wondering which one is better..
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
or
MSI H77MA-G43
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/H77MA-G43/Specification
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B75M-D3H-rev-10#sp

I'm currently using the MSI board.
The CPU is an i5-3330 (the other board will get an i3), 16gb ram (8gb on i3)

Thanks!

[Sapph]

Neither is specifically better than the other. So just decide it by the connectors and looks.

[anrkyuk]

The H77 is a consumer grade board, the B75 is a more business orientated board, if you want to OC go for the MSI.

MSI has Realtek® ALC892 which suports Content Protection, the Gigabyte only has Realtek ALC887 which does not, if this is something you care about go with the MSI.

The Gigabyte does not offer onboard RAID.

[Sapph]

Origineel geplaatst door anrkyuk:

The H77 is a consumer grade board, the B75 is a more business orientated board, if you want to OC go for the MSI.

MSI has Realtek® ALC892 which suports Content Protection, the Gigabyte only has Realtek ALC887 which does not, if this is something you care about go with the MSI.

The Gigabyte does not offer onboard RAID.

You can't OC with either. It requires Z77 motherboard.
Also, both are basic consumer boards.

[Blaquicat]

Origineel geplaatst door Sapph:

Origineel geplaatst door anrkyuk:

The H77 is a consumer grade board, the B75 is a more business orientated board, if you want to OC go for the MSI.

MSI has Realtek® ALC892 which suports Content Protection, the Gigabyte only has Realtek ALC887 which does not, if this is something you care about go with the MSI.

The Gigabyte does not offer onboard RAID.

You can't OC with either. It requires Z77 motherboard.
Also, both are basic consumer boards.

You have no idea how basic those boards can be..
The actual mobo from my i3:
https://www.hardstore.com.br/placa-mae/placa-mae-intel/pcware-ipmh61r3-lga-1155-intel-h61-express-oem (PCWare IPMH61R3)

The original idea was to replace that ♥♥♥♥ board with the gigabyte one, i created this thread because i was wondering if this board is better than mine (MSI)
As i have raid, i gonna stay with the msi i have..

[anrkyuk]

Origineel geplaatst door Sapph:

Origineel geplaatst door anrkyuk:

The H77 is a consumer grade board, the B75 is a more business orientated board, if you want to OC go for the MSI.

MSI has Realtek® ALC892 which suports Content Protection, the Gigabyte only has Realtek ALC887 which does not, if this is something you care about go with the MSI.

The Gigabyte does not offer onboard RAID.

You can't OC with either. It requires Z77 motherboard.
Also, both are basic consumer boards.

Point one, I stand corrected on.

Point two I beg to differ on...

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/b75-express-chipset-brief.pdf

- "Built-in IT Maintenance for Small Business"
- "Enhance your small business manageability and performance with the Intel® B75 Express Chipset and 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors"
- "With the Intel® B75 Express Chipset and 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processor family, small businesses are now enabled with Intel® Small Business Advantage (Intel® SBA). With Intel® SBA, the user can easily schedule the PC to power and perform security scans and data backups overnight. By also allowing you to set the PC to power on or off each morning, Intel SBA provides your small business with great capabilities."

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/h77-express-chipset-brief.pdf

- "This new chipset features improved responsiveness that provides quicker access to your digital life. From music, video, and social media, to frequently used applications, this platform delivers the computing performance and response you need to access your favorite content for an enjoyable and entertaining PC experience."

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

The gigabyte board supports overclocking the ram at least, but not the processor.

From gigabyte specs page:
Support for DDR3 2200(OC)/1600/1333/1066 MHz memory modules

From the MSI Specs page:
DDR3 MEMORY DDR3 1066/1333,1600*

Also I wanted to note that I do own an Asus Mini-ITX motherboard based on the H77 chipset, and despite what the specifications page for both motherboards you listed there say, H77 chipset motherboards actually only interface their PCI-Express slot @ 8x and only PCI-E 2.0, even if we install an ivy bridge CPU.

See the actual Intel specification on the chipset here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#LGA_1155

It's a big part of why I'm trying to sell my H77 board on ebay.. The iGPU in most i3 and i5 chips from this era isn't enough to accelerate 1080p netflix and youtube today even in ivy bridge chips. And while yes an i7 chip would do it fine, for a simple web browsing and internet chatting (non-gaming) computer, an i7 is a stupid waste I'm not wasting money on. After owning it for several years I decided to finally upgrade it and put in a video card for web browsing, and ended up finding out it only does PCIE-2.0-8x even with a PCIE-3.0 16x video card installed (GT 740), and even with an ivy bridge chip and even with the latest drivers.

I've since then changed that system over to a full desktop board based on P67 and get the full PCIE-3.0-16x out of the same card.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Origineel geplaatst door Impending Rentacle Tape:

Also I wanted to note that I do own an Asus Mini-ITX motherboard based on the H77 chipset, and despite what the specifications page for both motherboards you listed there say, H77 chipset motherboards actually only interface their PCI-Express slot @ 8x and only PCI-E 2.0, even if we install an ivy bridge CPU.

See the actual Intel specification on the chipset here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#LGA_1155

No. That's two different things.
https://ark.intel.com/products/65520/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz
See the actual CPU spec there.
"PCI Express Revision
3.0
PCI Express Configurations ‡
up to 1x16, 2x8, 1x8 & 2x4"

However it connect with the chipset with:
"Bus Speed
5 GT/s DMI"

And the chipset in turn:
https://ark.intel.com/products/64018/Intel-H77-Express-Chipset
"PCI Express Revision
2.0
PCI Express Configurations ‡
x1, x2, x4
Max # of PCI Express Lanes
8"

But you still have one 16x PCI-express 3.0 port. Which are connected to the processor. The chipset only offer an additional 8 PCI-express 2.0 lanes but that's also true for the latest X470 chipset for the AMD Ryzen platform ..

As for the comparision between the chipsets:
H77 - This chipset doesn't support SLI so you can't split the 16x lanes onto two 8x lanes. You can't increase the clock multiplier. Same number of SATA and USB ports and support for SSD cache as the Z77 otherwise. Someone claim H77 allow OC of memory using Ivy Bridge CPUs.

So much has already been said about these two boards.
GA-B75M-D3H
4 memory slots, max 32 GB. Up to 2200 MHz OC according to spec page. To reach 1600 MHz and use XMP you need Ivy Bridge 1600 MHz RAM CPU.
ALC 887 audio.
RealTek 1 gbps network.
An additional 16x PCI-express slot running 4x PCI-express 2.0.
2 PCI slots.
1 SATA 3
5 SATA 2
Up to 8 USB 2.0/1.1 and 4 USB 3.0/2.0
Japanese capacitors, dual-bios, 50kh capacitors at 85 degrees, Crossfire, HDMI and DVI.
VRM lack heatsinks.

H77MA-G43
4 dimm slots max 32 GB 1600 MHz.
ALC 892.
RealTek 1 gbps network.
An additional 16x PCI-express slot running 4x PCI-express 2.0.
2 PCI-express 2.0 1x.
2 SATA 3
4 SATA 2
SATA RAID
Up to 7 USB 2.0 and 3 USB 3.0.
VGA and DVI. Crossfire, talk about overclocking on webpage, heat-sinks on VRM. Capacitors looks like the others.

So yeah, the H77 board seem better.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Origineel geplaatst door Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism:

No. That's two different things.

I edited my post and shared my personal experience with it, and explaining how indeed the 16x ports in h77 only run at 8x 2.0, refresh the page and read it please.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Intel "H" -vs- "B" Chipsets are both lower end ones; however this shouldn't really matter if you do not have a need for in-depth/extensive BIOS features, like OverClocking and such. Plus when using a locked CPU, what's the point really. The "H" models do have less USB and SATA; that is one down-side, however for most machines it would be fine unless you plan to run a ton of USB & SATA stuff all at the same time.

For a typical user with say:
USB Keyboard
USB Mouse
USB Game Controller (XBO or DS4 perhaps)
3.5mm Headset via Analog Audio
1-2 SATA Drives (SSD + HDD perhaps)

What else do you really need, that needs to stay plugged in at all times?

[Blaquicat]

Origineel geplaatst door Bad_Motha:

Intel "H" -vs- "B" Chipsets are both lower end ones; however this shouldn't really matter if you do not have a need for in-depth/extensive BIOS features, like OverClocking and such. Plus when using a locked CPU, what's the point really. The "H" models do have less USB and SATA; that is one down-side, however for most machines it would be fine unless you plan to run a ton of USB & SATA stuff all at the same time.

For a typical user with say:
USB Keyboard
USB Mouse
USB Game Controller (XBO or DS4 perhaps)
3.5mm Headset via Analog Audio
1-2 SATA Drives (SSD + HDD perhaps)

What else do you really need, that needs to stay plugged in at all times?

I already give up on the 'B', since i have a RAID..

What i have is:
2x 500gb Sata drives (RAID)
1x 1tb Sata Drive.
1x DVD/Bluray
VGA GTX650Ti Boost

Nothing too serious..

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Both are very close; but overall yes between those two, the MSI board is the better choice.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Origineel geplaatst door Impending Rentacle Tape:

Origineel geplaatst door Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism:

No. That's two different things.

I edited my post and shared my personal experience with it, and explaining how indeed the 16x ports in h77 only run at 8x 2.0, refresh the page and read it please.

Well the H77MA-G43 webpage say 16x PCI-express 3.0 and the Ivy Bridge processors support that too.
As for why you didn't get it if you didn't I don't know.