How many years will the i7 8700k last?

[Dutchious]

If i were to upgrade my cpu to an i7 8700k and put it together with my gtx 1080, how many years would i be able to use it before upgrading the cpu again? And for how long will the 8700k stay fast enough for gaming?

[Omega]

Messaggio originale di professor pilz:

Messaggio originale di F5 Dutchious:

If i were to upgrade my cpu to an i7 8700k and put it together with my gtx 1080, how many years would i be able to use it before upgrading the cpu again? And for how long will the 8700k stay fast enough for gaming?

i think it depends on the console scene(xbox/ playstation). if they are not too fast you can love your 8700k at least the next 5 yrs...if not 10!
kind regards

Those consoles are just normal PCs nowadays. They use more or less the exact same hardware your PC does. But generally watered down and with some modifications.

The PS4 and Xbox One both use AMD Jaguar-based APUs. They are relatives to some older Athlon and Sempron CPUs/APUs. If Sony/Microsoft allowed us we could install Windows on these things.


The Xbox One is already running a Windows 10 based OS now that I think of it..

[PlGGYsmalls]

I just ordered a new laptop with those specs. I imagine I'll be able to run Ultra on it for at least 3 to 5 years easily. Developers want to sell their games on pc, and not push themselves out of most people's build budgets.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

I hate Wiki, but nonetheless smartphone in no way can be considered as PC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
And, btw, smartphone progress is fairly slow nowadays.

" multi-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and price make it feasible for individual use"
as i said above a smartphone is a computer^^, its size, capabilities, (price doesnt have to due with it?) is feasible for individual use "

scientifically, this would mean a lot of things are considered PCs, including macs and smartphones
socially only windows computers are considered PCs

all smartphones are just a convenient small, less powerful version of a desktop computer

lolwhat smartphone progress is not slow
phones are having mechanical pop-up cameras for more screen this year
new sensors were added to phones this and last year (retina scan sensor, face scan sensor)
new types of displays were made

[vadim]

You are totally wrong, but this has nothing to do with thread topic.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

whoah epic counter agrument

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di Builderman:

whoah epic counter agrument

Sorry, but I don't want to annoy moderators by offtopic. I guess you can figure it out yourself how PCs are different from smartphones. You can run arbitrary code on PC, but not on smartphone. Mobile devices are not intended to run general operating systems. They do not support multiple boot devices, the ability to quickly replace or reinstall OS and so on. Programmer's control over smartphone's hardware is fairly limited by design. In fact, they ain't very different from feature phones, except latter support only Java apps while smartphones can also run native applications.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Messaggio originale di Builderman:

whoah epic counter agrument

Sorry, but I don't want to annoy moderators by offtopic. I guess you can figure it out yourself how PCs are different from smartphones. You can run arbitrary code on PC, but not on smartphone. Mobile devices are not intended to run general operating systems. They do not support multiple boot devices, the ability to quickly replace or reinstall OS and so on. Programmer's control over smartphone's hardware is fairly limited by design. In fact, they ain't very different from feature phones, except latter support only Java apps while smartphones can also run native applications.

this is the social aspect of things
arbitrary code can only run on a x86 processor, if you replace the processor the x86 processor with something that isnt x86, its still a PC

on smartphones the OS is linux-based, at least for the andriod OS
mobile devices are not intended to run the DESKTOP operating systems, because they do not have x86 processors
to support multiple boot drives you need more than one drive, which most smartphones do not have

the ability to reinstall the OS is there, just not as conviently
requires a desktop or a laptop of some kind that can download files

control have hardware sounds a lot like mini-ITX desktops, you are limited to what you can put in there because of the design (the size)

they arent very different from feature phones by their HARDWARE, their POWER and techonology is what makes them superior, and what stands out from feature phones
like comparing a 2006 desktop to a 2017 one, they arent that different in terms of hardware, but that hardware has evolved to make even more powerful desktop


this is why i call it a social aspect when you call windows desktops PCs, every time someone says "i have a PC" you think of windows, every time someone says "i have a mac", you think of macos, every time someone thinks of "i have a linux", you think of linux
when in fact every each and one of those are all PCs

[Vince ✟]

4790k still strong, If bet yours will last a good long while for gaming. You may want better for the cores someday but don't worry if you're shopping now.

[Arya]

Nobody has a crystal ball, but it's safe to guess at least five years.

CPU tech advances quite slowly, Intel's CPU architecture has barely changed over the last ten years,. My 3770K can match a 7700K easily, with the mildest of overclocks. Even when compared to the 8700K, it performs extremely well and gets very close on FPS.

Ordinarily I wojuld say an Intel K-Series can easily last 5-10 years. The only things preventing me saying that straight-up are AMD and the Graphene Mass-Extinction.

AMD's Infinity Framework performs really well at small sizes. A stock R7 2700 will match a stock 8700K in most scenarios, and the tech has plenty f power and plenty of shrinkage left ahead. Late generation Ryzen might be a threat. depending on how well they overclock.

And then years from now you have Graphene technology. Graphene is a Carbon allotrope with amazing conductive properties, and it's going to absolutely revolutionize CPU design. We're many years away from graphene based CPUs, but it may overlap with the end of the 8700K's effective lifespan. I fully expect Graphene will mean a mass-extinction of ALL copper-based CPUs. Copper would never compete with a working Graphene design.

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di Builderman:

arbitrary code can only run on a x86 processor

Well, no. I meant that PC is self-sufficient. The development of programs for the PC is done on its own. And so on. I can object to all your arguments, but as I said, I don't want to annoy moderators.

[Nabster]

Yes

[Arya]

Messaggio originale di Nabster:

Yes

Que pasa?

[Dutchious]

According to most of you it’ll be at least 5 years. Thanks for all of the replies!

[Arya]

Messaggio originale di F5 Dutchious:

According to most of you it’ll be at least 5 years. Thanks for all of the replies!

I would say that's a conservative estimate. We're close to the limit of what a Copper CPU can do, there isn't much potential to make a faster CPU. And for that reason, 8700Ks will probably still be around when Graphene obsoletes their entire design concept. Probably in the 2030s.

For my two cents, I completely changed my approach with my 8700K build. Normally I would build with a planned lifespan, and design in maybe one upgrade. With my 8700K build, it's not designed to ever be replaced. It's designed to keep upgrading until it need a complete rebuild, at which point it'll be replacedm probably after 2025. Hopefully with something Graphene based.

[John Doe]

Messaggio originale di Omega:

Messaggio originale di John Doe:

Yes, it is. They have gone as far as making Windows phones and Snapdragon notebooks. Granted, an Android phone is NOT a PC but it IS a form of a MINI personal computer, in some ways like he said.

Windows Phone is dead. Microsoft dropped support for them if I recall correctly.

The processor a device uses does not dictate if it's a phone or not. Some of those Chromebooks only use those ARM SOCs because they are much more energie efficient then x86 CPUs. Same story for many single board computers and PDAs.

You can't call something "personal" if it's not. You have little to no control over these devices yourself. You are going to use the device as-is or not at all.

Thank you captain obvious. We all thought Windows phone always rocked... NOT. It was an EXAMPLE.

Yes, the processor a device uses does dictate whether it's a phone or not. What do you think when you hear 5 inches and Qualcomm / Adreno? They're primarily multi-purpose phone chips.

...and what the hell does having your so called "control" got anything to do with this? I call my PC my PC, it is MY freaking personal computer. Yes, there are people that watch and track what you do online, but that has NOTHING to do with changing the PC's name to a bird or a plane....

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Messaggio originale di Builderman:

whoah epic counter agrument

Sorry, but I don't want to annoy moderators by offtopic. I guess you can figure it out yourself how PCs are different from smartphones. You can run arbitrary code on PC, but not on smartphone. Mobile devices are not intended to run general operating systems. They do not support multiple boot devices, the ability to quickly replace or reinstall OS and so on. Programmer's control over smartphone's hardware is fairly limited by design. In fact, they ain't very different from feature phones, except latter support only Java apps while smartphones can also run native applications.

You do however annoy users with your clueless excessive nonsense in almost every thread. There ARE Snapdragon based notebooks today that come with Windows. They do almost everything an Intel or an AMD CPU does FOR THAT USAGE. Netbook usage. Now please don't come here saying pointless crap like you always do such as "BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE AVX!!", you're not understanding the capabilities and the purpose of those SOCs. Granted, an ULV Intel CPU is stronger, but those CPUs are fine for basic Chromebooks or handhelds. Besides, Qualcomm is going strong on making them more powerful day after day. They're at the point of being compared with old CPUs, which makes them suffice for browsing tasks.