Serious frame drop in EVERY large titles on my MX150 powered laptop

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Hi guys, recently bought this Acer Swift 3. It's of great value for $4000 HKD when I bought it second hand, with 8th Gen i5-8250U and Nvidia MX150 on board.

However, as I tried to run some large titles, such as Battlefield 1, GTA V, or even Payday 2, gameplay gets laggy every few seconds, come back to normal for a few seconds, and repeat. Did a thermal test with AIDA64 and didn't find any thermal throttling. Latest driver installed with MX150 set as default graphics card. Other lighter titles like League of Legends and Minecraft worked perfectly.

I am wondering if it could be not sufficient power supply from the power strip that I was using. Any ideas of what could be the possible reason for such frame drop?

Thanks in advance!

[mujtabai028]

Thanks for your help. Now I know that temprature limit throttling is causing this and this specific issue is maybe caused by old thermal paste or by dust particles. The maximum temprature of my Nvidia GPU is 94 digrees celcius and when ever I reach 56 digrees celcius this lag thing and clock drops starts happening. My cooling system is great and my CPU and GPU are undervolted. You know fps matters alot and thats because low fps cause lag. Higher rate of fps will make run game smoother. In GTA V Online my fps drop rate is higher. In GTA V Online my fps drops from 70 to 15. If someone explodes something in GTA V Online then my fps drops to 10. Remember that I am using 10DE 1D10 - 103C 8484 version of MX 150. This MX 150 card comes in two versions one is 10DE 1D12 - 103C 8484 which is less powerful and Max-Q with 10W of power suppply and 10DE 1D10 - 103C 8484 is the powerful version of MX 150 which is non Max-Q with 25 W of power supply.

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Sakurajima Mai eredeti hozzászólása:

Hi guys, recently bought this Acer Swift 3. It's of great value for $4000 HKD when I bought it second hand, with 8th Gen i5-8250U and Nvidia MX150 on board.

However, as I tried to run some large titles, such as Battlefield 1, GTA V, or even Payday 2, gameplay gets laggy every few seconds, come back to normal for a few seconds, and repeat. Did a thermal test with AIDA64 and didn't find any thermal throttling. Latest driver installed with MX150 set as default graphics card. Other lighter titles like League of Legends and Minecraft worked perfectly.

I am wondering if it could be not sufficient power supply from the power strip that I was using. Any ideas of what could be the possible reason for such frame drop?

Thanks in advance!

i have more or less the same spec are yours and was facing the same stuttering problem while playing games like CSGO and AC3 even on lowest settings.

MX150 is more than capable of handling both the games at above medium graphics with a decent fps.

I learned that the problem was in the nvidia control pannel's default setup.

Here is how i solved it:

Go to Nvidia control panel

In "3d setting> adjust image setting with preview" select "use the advanced 3d image settings"

then go to <manage 3d settings> and select "Prefer maximum performance" for "Power management mode".

then select "High performance" for "texture filtering - Quality".



I was able to run both my games at high quality with no stuttering

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justfor1game2 eredeti hozzászólása:

Go to Nvidia control panel

In "3d setting> adjust image setting with preview" select "use the advanced 3d image settings"

then go to <manage 3d settings> and select "Prefer maximum performance" for "Power management mode".

Actually you should -NEVER- do this and this is a terrible bad idea. When you set it to "Prefer maximum performance" in the nvidia control panel that disables nvidia's GPU Boost and makes the card run at it's maximum clock speed all the time. The MX150 is a mobile gpu in laptops. Running it full speed all the time in a laptop is going to make it run hot and make the CPU and GPU thermal throttle. You may get better performance for a few minutes but once the card and cpu heat up you're going to have worse performance over time vs leaving it back at the defaults. The better thing you need to do is you need to set it back to the default setting in the nvidia control panel and go enable Vsync in your in-game settings. That should do what you're trying to do and not thermal throttle.

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Sakurajima Mai eredeti hozzászólása:

Hi guys, recently bought this Acer Swift 3. It's of great value for $4000 HKD when I bought it second hand, with 8th Gen i5-8250U and Nvidia MX150 on board.

However, as I tried to run some large titles, such as Battlefield 1, GTA V, or even Payday 2, gameplay gets laggy every few seconds, come back to normal for a few seconds, and repeat. Did a thermal test with AIDA64 and didn't find any thermal throttling. Latest driver installed with MX150 set as default graphics card. Other lighter titles like League of Legends and Minecraft worked perfectly.

I am wondering if it could be not sufficient power supply from the power strip that I was using. Any ideas of what could be the possible reason for such frame drop?

Thanks in advance!

i have more or less the same spec are yours and was facing the same stuttering problem while playing games like CSGO and AC3 even on lowest settings.

MX150 is more than capable of handling both the games at above medium graphics with a decent fps.

I learned that the problem was in the nvidia control pannel's default setup.

Here is how i solved it:

Go to Nvidia control panel

In "3d setting> adjust image setting with preview" select "use the advanced 3d image settings"

then go to <manage 3d settings> and select "Prefer maximum performance" for "Power management mode".

then select "High performance" for "texture filtering - Quality".



I was able to run both my games at high quality with no stuttering

I've been doing this on every PC I touch that has had nvidia gpu in it since myself and others were on Win2000 and XP from the release of those OS. IDK why people expect that a default for anything is always going to be good. It's also always been a problem especially on Laptops, where setting the Nvidia to Prefer Max Performance is a must.

But I guess now I understand more why I never see these performance issues others always seem to run into.

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Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

I've been doing this on every PC I touch that has had nvidia gpu in it since myself and others were on Win2000 and XP from the release of those OS. IDK why people expect that a default for anything is always going to be good. It's also always been a problem especially on Laptops, where setting the Nvidia to Prefer Max Performance is a must.

But I guess now I understand more why I never see these performance issues others always seem to run into.

In reality your video cards are running at their maximum default clock speed all the time in every computer you own. That may of been okay years ago before video cards had Nvidia Boost. But today you absolutely need to stop doing that. Modern video cards need Nvidia Boost to work correctly. Just leave it default and use vsync in games if you have issues and the video card will automatically run as fast as it's capable of doing on it's own. In fact the way Nvidia boost works today the video cards will even automatically self-overclock if they are able to without you even doing anything. But by setting it to "Prefer maximum performance" you are disabling that and not even allowing the video card to boost it's self or self-overclock it's self. You are harming your gaming performance instead of helping it.

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Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

I've been doing this on every PC I touch that has had nvidia gpu in it since myself and others were on Win2000 and XP from the release of those OS. IDK why people expect that a default for anything is always going to be good. It's also always been a problem especially on Laptops, where setting the Nvidia to Prefer Max Performance is a must.

But I guess now I understand more why I never see these performance issues others always seem to run into.

In reality your video cards are running at their maximum default clock speed all the time in every computer you own. That may of been okay years ago before video cards had Nvidia Boost. But today you absolutely need to stop doing that. Modern video cards need Nvidia Boost to work correctly. Just leave it default and use vsync in games if you have issues and the video card will automatically run as fast as it's capable of doing on it's own. In fact the way Nvidia boost works today the video cards will even automatically self-overclock if they are able to without you even doing anything. But by setting it to "Prefer maximum performance" you are disabling that and not even allowing the video card to boost it's self or self-overclock it's self. You are harming your gaming performance instead of helping it.

No it does not work as it should. When left on the default games like GTAV stutter like crazy. And prefer max performance just ensures that it's locked into the 3d clocks range whenever you load up something that uses it. Outside of games and rendering, the OS and other everyday apps should never be taxing your gpu, if so then you're doing something wrong.

Defaults need to be changed the user, it's that simple. Not just the gpu software but your OS settings, browser settings, etc.

Many apps like web browsers have hardware acceleration on, yea that's wrong. That's for laptops and such where it's ok to have that on so it uses a mix of cpu and gpu from such a system. A decent Desktop never needs that on.

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Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

No it does not work as it should. When left on the default games like GTAV stutter like crazy. And prefer max performance just ensures that it's locked into the 3d clocks range whenever you load up something that uses it. Outside of games and rendering, the OS and other everyday apps should never be taxing your gpu, if so then you're doing something wrong.

Defaults need to be changed the user, it's that simple. Not just the gpu software but your OS settings, browser settings, etc.

Many apps like web browsers have hardware acceleration on, yea that's wrong. That's for laptops and such where it's ok to have that on so it uses a mix of cpu and gpu from such a system. A decent Desktop never needs that on.

I would suggest you get a copy of GPU-Z, leave it open while you are playing games. Then once you are done playing, click on GPU-Z and then click on the "GPU Clock" until it says "Max" and then see what the maximum speed your gpu was doing when gaming under both preferred maximum performance and the default setting.

But it is a fact: "Prefer maximum performance" DOES disable nvidia's gpu boost. That is literally the design of that function. Please do not go around the internet suggesting that to laptop users. That is extremely detrimental to laptops and should never ever be used on a laptop for any reason. That setting is for desktop users that have better cooling for their video cards.

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Then you explain to everyone why it makes games literally stutter fest when it's left on the default. It makes no sense. Laptops do odd things like flop around a huge range of clocks, which causes most of the stuttering whenever that occurs. Prefer max performance puts a stop to all of that from everything I've seen and done first hand over the years.

It has zero effect on clocks except it helps the gpu stay at its max. The gpu will boost turbo regardless of this setting.

I also raise the power limit on systems that allow it, such as desktops with Nvidia gpu cards.

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Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Then you explain to everyone why it makes games literally stutter fest when it's left on the default. It makes no sense. Laptops do odd things like flop around a huge range of clocks, which causes most of the stuttering whenever that occurs. Prefer max performance puts a stop to all of that from everything I've seen and done first hand over the years.

It has zero effect on clocks except it helps the gpu stay at its max. The gpu will boost turbo regardless of this setting.

I also raise the power limit on systems that allow it, such as desktops with Nvidia gpu cards.

But sometimes due to heat the video cards should not be at their max. Sometimes the video cards have to reduce their clock speeds because they're running hot and you're not allowing them to do that. And prefer maximum performance totally does effect clocks. I can see it here on my desktop video card, my 1060 in my second computer. I can go play a game with vsync enabled and on the default setting my video card will hover around 1500~1600 Mhz if the game isn't very demanding. But in the same game with "prefer maximum performance" enabled the video card will jump up and run at my card's max boost of 2100 mhz and sit there and never reduce clocks, even in low-demanding situations. "Prefer maximum performance" even makes the video card jump up to 2100~2000 mhz in my 1060 just watching youtube in chrome. A situation where at default settings the same card runs around 800~1200 Mhz. That's what that setting does and that's why it's bad for laptops.

At the very least if you are going to use that setting then leave the global nvidia setting at default and then only set "prefer maximum performance" in each game's profile for the games you want to play.

[ni6hant]

I had the same issue when I checked with MSI After burner I saw that the CPU and GPU were hitting 90 degrees C and with ThrottleStop it was clear that the CPU and GPU were being limited to prevent roasting them.

My laptop was under warranty. I caller Acer, someone came and he opened the laptop and found lot of dust in the exhaust fan which was causing the laptop to not cool down. If your laptop is under warranty call the manufacturer to reapply thermal paste and clear the exhaust fan. If it's not in warranty, open it up yourself or pay someone to do so

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ni6hant eredeti hozzászólása:

I had the same issue when I checked with MSI After burner I saw that the CPU and GPU were hitting 90 degrees C and with ThrottleStop it was clear that the CPU and GPU were being limited to prevent roasting them.

My laptop was under warranty. I caller Acer, someone came and he opened the laptop and found lot of dust in the exhaust fan which was causing the laptop to not cool down. If your laptop is under warranty call the manufacturer to reapply thermal paste and clear the exhaust fan. If it's not in warranty, open it up yourself or pay someone to do so

Or.. you could just you know.. blast the air intake vents and exhaust vents with a can of air duster yourself? That's something all laptop owners should be doing on a regular basis once every 2-3 months anyway.