Here my specs for the new PC I've got in mind.

[Spanky]

Some parts still needed. Due to feedback and personal wants OC was not needed but may be nice to see this PC do a dance.

NOT OWNED

PSU: Corsair CP-8920155 Premium PSU Cable Kit. Individually Sleeved Cables, Pro Package, White/Black
UPS:APC 1500VA Back-UPS Pro Sinewave UPS Battery Backup & Surge Protector (BR1500MS)

OWNED

GPU:ASRock Phantom Gaming X Radeon RX570 8G OC *ASRock recommended an AMD RX570 EBay.ca $293 CAD
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Processor (YD170XBCAEWOF) *ASRock Recomended. From EBay.ca $233 CAD
Memory kit: ADATA Z1 8GB(2x8GB) DDR4 2666MHz CL16 DIMM Red (AX4U266638G16-SRZ.) From Amazon Canada $129 CAD
PSU: Corsair RM650i CP-9020081-NA 650 Watt $170 from Amazon Canada
Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 CW-9060025-WW $130 CAD. From Amazon Canada
Chassis Fan: (Rear/Front fans replacement) ARCTIC AFACO-120PC-GBA01. 2x $14 CAD From Amazon Canada
Hard Disk:Western Digital Black PCIe Gen3 x4 2D NVMe SSD 256GB. $110 CAD From Newegg Canada.
XPG SX8200 480GB 3D NAND NVMe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 $150 CAD. from Amazon Canada
Chassis: Thermaltake Versa C22 Snow Edition RGB LED Lighting SPCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Chassis CA-1G9-00M6WN-00 $85 CAD. From Amazon Canada
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 PRO4 ATX Motherboard $114 CAD. From Amazon Canada
Monitor: ASUS VP28UQG 28" 4K/UHD 3840x2160 1ms DP HDMI Adaptive Sync/ FreeSync Eye Care Monitor $450 CAD. From BestBuy Canada
Keyboard and Mouse: Tt eSPORTS COMMANDER Red LED Ilumination Gaming Keyboard and Mouse Combo Bundle. $42 CAD From Amazon Canada
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Retail 32/64 Bit *Microsoft Recomended. $165 CAD From Microsoft Store Canada
SPEAKERS:Rockville ROCK MEDIA home/computer speakers and subwoofer $90 CAD Amazon Canada
Hard Disk:Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT1000MX500SSD1 $165 CAD Amazon Canada

I’ll keep updating this OP as parts come in only I would like to know if anyone thinks I should benchmark my (what to call it...) “Mercy Versa C22 Standard PC?”
Comments welcome.

Total cost: $2,170 CAD

[Spanky]

It must be why Samsung’s stuff have lots of problems.here[www.cnet.com] Everyone is hacking with them. The bench marked info must be the same build to get the same results. Facts is info about your claim. I've seen all of you provide none with regards to your claims. That's research, and I've done some already. You all just seem to negate it.Anyways, I like the color of the motherboard, and I find that the hdmi, dp with vga is appealing on the motherboard as well as the 7.1 stereo that only needs one plug. I did little research on it,and I do think I should have bought one that AMD recommended. I never thought to check with them first, but that’s why I put juvenile/want in OP…
$150 for a what brand/chipset of motherboard? What history do any of those boards have? It’s probably less than 1-3 years old I assume, and you provide no good research of your own, so my guess is you’re a troll...no offense!

[ugafan]

570 is a good gpu, but the 580 and 1060 are better.

get two sticks of 8 gb ram instead of one 16 gb.

you can save some money with the 1700 over the 1700x. if you want to save more, get the 1600.

[Spanky]

no. support the claims you guys, or your a troll. im not fighting with you guys.

[Monk]

It's pointless trying to help you at this point and I think you may be trolling, just go do the very basics of research on what we say, or don't, spend alot of money to get a slower system than you could have, that WILL NOT handle new games at high settings at decent frame rates, a 570 is not up to the job of 4k gaming, unless you want the console experience, so medium and 30fps give or take, let's be honest, a 580, 1060 and even a 1070 won't handle 4k well.

[ugafan]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

no. support the claims you guys, or your a troll. im not fighting with you guys.

which claims do you disagree with?

[⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

so my guess is you’re a troll...no offense!

He is like the rest, just trying to help, to get the best for the money and your 4k goal.
And monk rly know what he's talking about.. Just look at his custom pc for example.

Try to accept the help and think about it at least, instead of ignoring it, that's a waste of time for both.

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

Ah yeah the list, but you can basically use any brand, don't rly means that much.
Asrock just tested few brands with part xyz.
It's not like a asus or xfx rx 570, seasonic psu or corsair ram will not work.

I'm not saying that these will only work it's simply my choice, and there is a budget, yet it's not $3000. It's less than $2000 CAD. Most shops have high prices, and can't compete with the likes of Amazon, or EBay. I'm still waiting to hear of a price quote for parts from a local shop, and it turns out, the ryzen 5 APU 2500G is $200 less than on amazon.ca, and Canadacomputers.com lol! So I'm really interested in knowing why you think that I can use inexpensive parts, and (new to me) brands?

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

Since you go with ryzen and the mobo supports more, go with 3200mhz.

The Warranty/Ram story is bs, asrock offers a support up to 3200mhz...

It's like vw told me not to reach 256hp while driving or the warranty is gone.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/808218864915841024/QcdGS7-j_400x400.jpg

Again, 32gb is more or less pointless if its only for games.
32gb makes sense if you have 49238954 apps running in the background or doing some srsly editing or rendering.
32Gb will not maxout your games or give you 100 fps extra.

3200MHz is really expensive, and I'm not trying to break records. Also, comparing a speed limit to the capacity supported of a cpu/motherboard limit is not the same. I would have understood the radiator on a PC is the same as a radiator on a car. They would need to be special. They need to fit the chassis. It’s usually by the same maker of chassis’, or brand of car.

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

For ram again I've said this even to computer shops the board with this ryzen chip will void the cpu warranty if I pass 2667 MHz before 3 yrs is up from purchase.

warranty/ram? NO! your not reading what is said properly.
My question to you is does the OS need to preload into memory? If so 16 Gb is not enough if I load a streaming client, and run a virus checker, while having the internet explorer doing a search for complete guides as I play games, just at one time, once. The Steam Client doesn't do everything you know. And the Steam Big Picture is demading fn the PC to say the least.

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

Wouldn't choose a part just for fun, that's pointless. And again, the firecuda hybrid has no noticable advantage in games.

I am just looking at what I like. If You have something more reliable that says a part is not good enough, than that's every single piece of hardware out there. I'm not just using the PC for gaming, It's a computer, and I don't have $1000's to buy multiple pc's, and laptops, not to mention I'm not a huge enthusist of mobile, mini-PC, mid tower PC, and laptop's, console's etc. Looking at what all the manufactories say about there stuff is like putting together fankinstien.

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

Cooler, since your case is white and has a window, think about the cryorig h7 or r1 universal.
The b350 is also not rly a top pick for oc, maybe "mild oc" but you will not rly notice the mild oc in-game.

I have no Idea which cooler would be better, or even how a cooler makes a difference. If anyone does I would be greatful for a link to a good artical about what benefits I would have for whatever I need.

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

And what do u mean with "6 gb 4k gpu" ?!
If you wanna go 4k with a decent 4k screen, 6gb will give a hard time with modern games.

I mean that a game has so far required up to 6Gb max 4K UHD.

I' think your smart, but I'm not sure why you say your cooler, HSDD is not good?

Brands like asus or msi or so, are not rly new, maybe just to you.
But asus for example offers a great variety of quality mobos, gpus and so on, from simple basic stuff up to overclocking mobos like the asus rampage.

And since you have intrest in overclocking the b350 is not a top pick, as I said, just some "mild overclocking" but mild oc isn't rly worth the time.
And since you wanna go with Ryzen, the cpu would benefit from more mhz.
3000 are okay, but holding back the potential of the ryzen.

Uhm, 3200 is too expensive, but you wanna go with 32gb ram ?!


No I said hp (horsepower) not mph (speedlimit)
Coz "For ram again I've said this even to computer shops the board with this ryzen chip will void the cpu warrenty if I pass 2667 MHz before 3 yrs is up from purchase."
That's bs. That's why I said it's like vw told me not to reach 256 horsepower will driving, even if my car has so much , at least on paper. rl difference is +/-.

Why should someone offer the support for the amount x but would void the warranty if you use it?! Think about it.

A part of the os is loaded in your ram + all the startup apps you have. But it's not rly that much.
And I still can't believe you will use more than 16gb with w10, streaming app, antivirus and some browser apps while playing a game...

If you wanna fill 16gb, do some pro level editing or so. ( and I don't mean add some filtre on a pics or so.)

Here is an example, I have 2x8gb DDR4
Ope/running atm, eset, chrome with 20 tabs, amazon music app , dark souls 3 and steam and ms publisher.
Ram usage atm: 7.9/15.9gb.

fyi, my home office/gaming rig:
6600k + dark rock tf cooler
asus z170 sabertooth
asus 1080 strix
16 gb kingston hyper x
wd black m.2 500gb/1tb wd gold
w10 home 64bit
4k hp envy27s screen


And I can't say steam big picture is demanding.. I can use it on my outdate itx rig with 8gb,
0 probs. ( but will turn the rig into a workstation/gaming rig soon with some upgrades, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )


No, I'm just saying buying parts "just for fun" is the wrong goal.
If you wanna use the drive for gaming, you should buy a wd black or gold, or the wd ezex (7.2k blue)
The Hybrid has no advantage in games, even with the hybrid feature.
The sshd never rly was a thing. A good hdd or ssd is a better choice.
So dont' expect miracles from the hybrid.

And ssd, well you could buy a better one, like crucial, crucial offers for example a good 275gb ssd and the price is a-okay.

I would also scratch the 120gb ssd, not rly worth anymore, okay for some office rigs, but since you wanna do some gaming, min. 2xx gb and use it for os, apps and maybe some games like fallout 4 or so. (some games benefits from a ssd)

You alrdy mentiond, you don't have the money to buy multiple pc's, so think about it, think about the parts and your goal before wasting money.

Your current setup isn't rly optiomal for your goal, since you have intrests in oc and wanna go with 4k.

And a sidenote, get over the ASRock recommended/aprove/personal choice thing.

Cooler, well the aio is more or less just a gimmick a decent air cooler will do the job good enough, keep an eye on brands like noctua, bequiet or cryorig. (but don't buy a cheap one)
*Bequiet dark rock pro will maybe not fit, it's a good cooler but big as eff..

Up to 6gb for 4k.. uh ya, but sooner or later you will have a hard time with 4k and 6gb, trust me.

Hopefully I could answer your questions.

And rly think about your parts and goals and try to listen to the ppl here like monk for example.

[⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧]

To give an idea about a 4k rig.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLZHNQ

I would also mabye replace the christmas tree fans with some decent noctua or bequiet silent or pure wings. But that's up to you.

[Spanky]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking first paragraph. that why its not supported

[⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking first paragraph. that why its not supported

ugh..

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

Escrito originalmente por Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism:

There's some possibly 30 dollar software for SSD cache for Ryzen which it seem it will come included for the next gen. Intel have that functionality included.

It's an alternative to the Firecuda. To use some of the SSD space for cache for a normal HDD.

Hmm. not sure what you mean. What your saying is I could use software on HDD that would be better than HSDD?

I just read about something of a 3200/3000/2667 MHz CAS Latency, and it seems ddr4 gets better CAS Latency if on 3000 MHz over 3200 MHz. I think I can use the 3000 MHz 17 CAS Latency, and benefit more when lowering the Ram frequency when OC in not needed to 2667Mhz since 3200 Mhz gets 16 CAS Latency.

https://www.seagate.com/gb/en/internal-hard-drives/hdd/firecuda/
https://www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/firecuda-family/firecuda/files/firecuda-ds-1903-1-1606us.pdf
8 GB MLC.

Intel with SSD:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/smart-response-technology.html
Same with Optane:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11210/the-intel-optane-memory-ssd-review-32gb-of-kaby-lake-caching

AMD has FuseDrive as software option now:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2018/01/10/faster-easier-simpler-storage-technology-enmotus-fuzedrive-for-amd-ryzen
But from the leaks I got the impression it will be provided with the platform for x470. Or maybe free download?
StoreMI:
https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.game-debate.com/amp/news/24679/newsAmpPage.html
Was bundle:
"Advanced Storage
AMD StoreMI
Bootable NVMe RAID support
Enmotus FuzeDrive technology bundle"

But yeah. Basically it let you make your own SSHD by combining SSD/Optane and HDD.

But the Intel option allow up to 64 GB I think and Optane is 32 or 16 GB vs the 8 GB in the SSHD. Optane is also faster. However Optane cache only work with boot drive so it's not for those who boot from SSD. Firecuda work fine as secondary drive with SSD. Then again I think you can use Intel rapid smart response with SSD and any HDD.

https://youtu.be/0rofbFIe_Qw

[Spanky]

oh. wow! but it's for raid right? i probably will never use it. and i' m sorry HSDD IS A TYPO. solid state hybrid hard disk drive is what i ment. *SSHD. ... hybrid state disk drive sounds cooler though but it's not disk, so it's stupid. eh! what a dummy. who says stuff like that.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

oh. wow! but it's for raid right? i probably will never use it. and i' m sorry HSDD IS A TYPO. solid state hybrid hard disk drive is what i ment. *SSHD. ... hybrid state disk drive sounds cooler though but it's not disk, so it's stupid. eh! what a dummy. who says stuff like that.

It creates the same thing. But you use an ssd/optane plus a hdd to reach the same result.
It's one disk. And solid state :p
http://www.storagereview.com/intel_optane_memory_review

[Spanky]

So, I’ve read over some previous posts, and I have taken the advice of both the manufactories and people on these forums. I am sorry if I didn’t take your word for it, and probably will see problems arise in the future, maybe not. This computer stuff usually has an administrator to blame for the issues.

(Does anyone know how to turn off my drive that’s sparking? A manual didn’t come with the OS, and I don’t know how to use a fire extinguisher, and my local tech says to bring it in for a repair at $60 plus installation fees of $200) JK

I also have updated the OP. My next task is to find a UPS. Anyone have one? What’s your preference with brands?

Escrito originalmente por rotNdude:

Those are minimal power draw components. What are you getting for a CPU and GPU?

I will be getting the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, as it is what I was told by ASRock. It works the best on the ASRock AB350 Pro4 I currently have, and they also recommended a RX 570. I will be getting the ASUS Expedition RX 570 OC8G.

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

And since you have intrest in overclocking the b350 is not a top pick, as I said, just some "mild overclocking" but mild oc isn't rly worth the time.
And since you wanna go with Ryzen, the cpu would benefit from more mhz.
3000 are okay, but holding back the potential of the ryzen.

Although I had no interest in OC at first, and because everyone who posted (looks at Big Boom Boom; InvetorXD; MossyRathalos; V@$sI □■) I went with the OC idea. If I had planned it I would have done the research and found a better mobo. So please don’t judge. It’s interesting isn’t it that I would buy a mobo like this and you guys tell me that OC is got to be done.

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

Why should someone offer the support for the amount x but would void the warranty if you use it?! Think about it.

Voiding the warranty means the product cannot be replaced. You are able to get support for the issues you have because the tech support is covered, but they won't replace it. No biggie right?

Escrito originalmente por ⛧EyMi Mayhem⛧:

The Hybrid has no advantage in games, even with the hybrid feature.

I was going to use another m.2 for games, and use the SSHD for backing up and media storage. It’ll do that at least.

Escrito originalmente por Monk:

If you really think a 1500x and a 580 use anywhere near the same level of power, you are dreaming.

Monk you’re probably a really good hobbyist, maybe even a pro. Are you online somewhere? I’m just some inexperienced guy trying to show off my build. I’m sorry if I seem like a troll to you, but I’m just telling you what I want and how I see things. I’m not experienced in this stuff at all, but I do know how to do research, and I think that asking the manufacturer is important if I want to get things correct. I do read and listen to all of the posts on here even if I sound like a troll. I’m not being a troll. I’m just inexperienced. Please know that I did buy a lesser power PSU. Although, I never said it would be the best choice(when it comes to useing it for another build) for the build I’m putting together now. I said I wanted to add to the build later, and wanted to save money on the PSU so buying a large capacity PSU would be cheaper. I mean I would not need to buy another PSU later. If I would be running the 800W at %50 today would that mean I wouldn’t get the same power out as a 650W that I just bought?

Also, having looked at some interesting builds, I saw that it can be done any way possible. The thing is you just tell me what would work better, and say the mobo sucks. I’m not sure if I understand how that’s not as risky as buying the ASRock (it’s not the greatest, and I did little research. I’m happy)and saving me money.

Escrito originalmente por InvetorXD:

I suggest at least RX 580 8gb, the Nvidia GTX 1070 to 1080 ti are better.

I am seriously thinking about getting the ASUS Expedition RX 570 OC8G.

Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:

Freesync does not help against the screen tearing directly which is vsync's job but against the stuttering from to low FPS while also lowering the input lag.

Wow! All I can say is that I’m not spending a lot on my build and If I thought about building a big rig I’d go with a more external operations centered Mobo. Like for operating remotely, and less focus on what I put into the motherboard because I want to operate the PC remotely.
Freesync is everyhere. Just check this video out. https://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/PCPer-Mailbag-52-Baby-Got-Backplate

[Spanky]

Escrito originalmente por New Base Zero-One:

Escrito originalmente por MossyRathalos:

Basic rules of supply and demand. There's a huge amount of demand that the manufacturers can't keep up with, therefore price goes up because third-party sellers up the prices due to scarcity.

To supply you need a product produced cheaply. demand is that product being used at a rate of supply produced. supply rises and can't keep up due to demand. that product is not going to increase in price unless the product is more expensive to make. demand does not dictate the product building process of putting together materials that are cheaper, and more reliable. These are computers for public use. not business, or government or any other body.

Just an update, and not to point fingers at your s&d confusion. I would like to show you a pic of the stickers I have put on the rig, I might also be adding an inside pic of the rig as well to my artwork, but you can't see it.

Here's some research on supply and demand.

Today you can buy a plasma or 4k TV for the same price of a tube tv in the 30's. Economy was way less then now, and Today they are so much more capable and way better picture too.

How about them Apple's eh!

Check yourself dude! http://www.tvhistory.tv/tv-prices.htm