Vega 64 or GTX 1080?

[Pasta]

Hi guys I just got the Acer KG271B and its a 240hz freesync monitor should I get a Gtx 1080 or Vega 64 for my gpu if I want my games to look smooth as butter with no tearing?

[FeilDOW]

Both will cost much more than they should right now. The Vega 64 is going for close to $1500 on newegg.ca and that isn't a marketplace gouge but actually Newegg. The 1080 can be found for a not so inflated price of about $1100 cdn but can be found on EVGAs or nvidias website from time to time for close to normal prices. The ones from nvidia are founder's editions tho.

[Arya]

First of all, thatt's a Freesync monitor. So you'll still get some tearing.

From those two, the GTX1080 is the better card. Better overall gaming performance, and Nvidia usually have better optimisation as well. Problem is, GPU prices are being gouged to a ridiculous degree across Europe and the Americas with no relief in sight. And the GXT1080 itself is nearing the end of production run, it'll be replaced by something new and probably a lot better when Volta launches in a couple of months.

I would wait.

[tacoshy]

GTX 1080 is no where near EoL. Actually far away from it and still will be good next generation. Also we dont know yet if there will be a consumer card for Volta yet. As nvidia thanks to the Vega fail still is far ahead in GPU market and technology they are no pushed to release something new.

[Arya]

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

GTX 1080 is no where near EoL. Actually far away from it and still will be good next generation. Also we dont know yet if there will be a consumer card for Volta yet. As nvidia thanks to the Vega fail still is far ahead in GPU market and technology they are no pushed to release something new.

End of production life - original postt edited for clarity

And no, itt's nowhere near the end of it's practical life. I fully expect there'll be some kicking around in 2025 and still probably doing a good job.

[FeilDOW]

Wolfie님이 먼저 게시:

First of all, thatt's a Freesync monitor. So you'll still get some tearing.

From those two, the GTX1080 is the better card. Better overall gaming performance, and Nvidia usually have better optimisation as well. Problem is, GPU prices are being gouged to a ridiculous degree across Europe and the Americas with no relief in sight. And the GXT1080 itself is nearing the end of production run, it'll be replaced by something new and probably a lot better when Volta launches in a couple of months.

I would wait.

Keep hearing you say volta is a couple months away, care to show where that was announced? From what I can see there has been zero announcements from nvidia about consumer Volta.

There are rumurs of Nvidia saying something about the next gen GPU sometime in April/May and from there is would likely be 2h to 4Q of 2018 before anything releases. This is if Nvidia thinks it's a good time to go into competition with it's own products.

We don't even have a clue if Volta will even come to consumer GPUs.

[Pasta]

Wolfie님이 먼저 게시:

First of all, thatt's a Freesync monitor. So you'll still get some tearing.

From those two, the GTX1080 is the better card. Better overall gaming performance, and Nvidia usually have better optimisation as well. Problem is, GPU prices are being gouged to a ridiculous degree across Europe and the Americas with no relief in sight. And the GXT1080 itself is nearing the end of production run, it'll be replaced by something new and probably a lot better when Volta launches in a couple of months.

I would wait.

Any chance of the RX Vega being as good as the 1080ti?

[AbedsBrother]

leonardtechtips님이 먼저 게시:

Wolfie님이 먼저 게시:

First of all, thatt's a Freesync monitor. So you'll still get some tearing.

From those two, the GTX1080 is the better card. Better overall gaming performance, and Nvidia usually have better optimisation as well. Problem is, GPU prices are being gouged to a ridiculous degree across Europe and the Americas with no relief in sight. And the GXT1080 itself is nearing the end of production run, it'll be replaced by something new and probably a lot better when Volta launches in a couple of months.

I would wait.

Any chance of the RX Vega being as good as the 1080ti?

None. RX Vega is near-universally slower than the 1080Ti. How much slower depends on the game, but the difference can be greater than 25% fewer fps.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1476-amd-radeon-vega-64/

[Arya]

leonardtechtips님이 먼저 게시:

Any chance of the RX Vega being as good as the 1080ti?

No. AMD doesn't have anywhere near the development budget of Nvidia and their priorities are differentt. And besides, they've just lost their top GPU R&D engineer.

AMD have historically suffered from lack of driver support. Nvidia have the resources to re-optimize their cards for every major new game release, and I know from experience that those patches can make a hell of a difference. Most games are also optimized from launch for Nvidia cards, while AMD support is somewhat patchy. There are games where AMD cards absolutely shine and can even outperform Nvidia, but they're very rare.

And that's a problem because AMD rely on software support to compete with high-end Nvidia models. They don't have the raw firepower, so normally they rely on clever API tricks. But since API support is limited the regular 1080 will usually outperform the Vega. Easily. And the 1080Ti will simply outclass it.

[Pasta]

Wolfie님이 먼저 게시:

leonardtechtips님이 먼저 게시:

Any chance of the RX Vega being as good as the 1080ti?

No. AMD doesn't have anywhere near the development budget of Nvidia and their priorities are differentt. And besides, they've just lost their top GPU R&D engineer.

AMD have historically suffered from lack of driver support. Nvidia have the resources to re-optimize their cards for every major new game release, and I know from experience that those patches can make a hell of a difference. Most games are also optimized from launch for Nvidia cards, while AMD support is somewhat patchy. There are games where AMD cards absolutely shine and can even outperform Nvidia, but they're very rare.

And that's a problem because AMD rely on software support to compete with high-end Nvidia models. They don't have the raw firepower, so normally they rely on clever API tricks. But since API support is limited the regular 1080 will usually outperform the Vega. Easily. And the 1080Ti will simply outclass it.

So if I get the gtx 1080 i guess ill just run my games with vsync on? That way it will eliminate tearing on 240hz?

[Arya]

leonardtechtips님이 먼저 게시:

So if I get the gtx 1080 i guess ill just run my games with vsync on? That way it will eliminate tearing on 240hz?

To actually benefit from your 240Hz monitor you need to hit and sustain 240 FPS. That isn't going to happen. At best a 1080 will give you FPS in the high 100s - I usually get 90 to 140 playing at 1440P resolution.

Vsync isn't an option because it would lock your FPS at 60. Nvidia come with FastSync and Adaptive Sync, they're effective but imperfect solutions and you may still get some tearing. The only way to totally eliminate tearing with an Nvidia card is using a Gsync monitor.

[(415!)Fle@B@gL@ne]

1080 holding up well and I love SLI working alot better after first 6 months

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Wolfie님이 먼저 게시:

leonardtechtips님이 먼저 게시:

So if I get the gtx 1080 i guess ill just run my games with vsync on? That way it will eliminate tearing on 240hz?

To actually benefit from your 240Hz monitor you need to hit and sustain 240 FPS. That isn't going to happen. At best a 1080 will give you FPS in the high 100s - I usually get 90 to 140 playing at 1440P resolution.

Vsync isn't an option because it would lock your FPS at 60. Nvidia come with FastSync and Adaptive Sync, they're effective but imperfect solutions and you may still get some tearing. The only way to totally eliminate tearing with an Nvidia card is using a Gsync monitor.

Using Vsync with 240Hz monitor do not cap anything to 60fps.
It is locking frame rate to 4,16ms refresh rate intervals and its multipliers.
Playing is tearless but this may cause stutter.

[eqalidan]

1080 and 64 are around the same performance,
a 56 is also around the same performance because amd bottlenecks,
If rumors are right, amd gave up primitive shaders being retroactive, so that means only games going forward will use them, anything already out is likely to not get patched to take advantage of it.

If you can hold out, wait till farcry 5 comes out, as it looks to be a game that uses everything amd has been making, so you will see if its worth going amd or not best here.

[John Doe]

If you have a Freesync monitor, I'd suggest going with the Vega but it costs a crapload because of the mining craze. The liquid cooled one with higher clocks actually outperforms the 1080:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2992/radeon-rx-vega-64-liquid-cooling

It's a nice card IMO, just on the pretty inefficient side, and very hard to find.

[eqalidan]

John Doe님이 먼저 게시:

If you have a Freesync monitor, I'd suggest going with the Vega but it costs a crapload because of the mining craze. The liquid cooled one with higher clocks actually outperforms the 1080:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2992/radeon-rx-vega-64-liquid-cooling

It's a nice card IMO, just on the pretty inefficient side, and very hard to find.

I would honestly skip this cycle, as by the time venders ramp up new gpus/refreshses will happen and there might be a priceing reset for lauch