1x16gb RAM VS 2x8?

[-Callous-]

Read the title bub

[Omega]

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

引用自 Omega：

And how does that justify spending more and killing your upgrade path unless willing to throw all the RAM in the bin?

It doesn't..

OH? tell me how it doesn't outside of the upgrade "path". The pros of redundancy outwiegh the cons of "cost" and "lack" of an upgrade path.

What redundancy?

You spend more, kill your upgrade path and you gain nothing.

[tacoshy]

oh redundancy for the less then 1% chance that you have broken RAM that you can use 12GB RAM instead of RAM instead of 8 for the 2 days the replacement package needs to arrive? Spending more for that, no upgrade path, less performance has heavy load on the memoory controller as well as more heat and less room to dispate heat...wondering why most ppl dont make that.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

引用自 Omega：

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

OH? tell me how it doesn't outside of the upgrade "path". The pros of redundancy outwiegh the cons of "cost" and "lack" of an upgrade path.

What redundancy?

You spend more, kill your upgrade path and you gain nothing.

First I will cover the word "redundancy" in terms of computing.

Redundancy is a fallbak plan or mechinism that optimizes performance in case one part of a whole breasks down, but the others continue to function.

3x4=12
1x8=8

when you do the math, you will have a better performance with 12GB system RAM than you would with only 8GB

So say you have 4 sticks of RAM with 4GB each for 16GB of RAM...One of them is dead on arival (DOA) and the other 3 still function. Yo can remove the bad one and still use the other 3. 12GB of RAM will be used in stead of the full 16GB the kit would normally have provided.

Say you have 2 sticks at 8GB each for 16GB RAM. One of them is DOA...you only have 8GB of RAM to deal with.

Now let us look at this realistically. If you have no other choice but to use that one computer that you want to have 16GB system RAM in...which kit will give you more RAM (and more performance as a result) if one of the sticks in the kit goes bad?


That is what redundancy is. It means that if a functional part of a whole breaks down, the other parts can still be used reliably. 1 kit is a whole, each stick of RAM is a part of that whole. If you do the math, you will see that in a 4x4GB kit, if one fails, you have 12GB of RAM to work with, whereas if you have a 2x8GB kit, and one goes bad, you only have 8GB system RAM availible.

Given that most of the RMA services involve shipping to God knows elswhere but nowhere near you, you will have to wait to get the new kit before sending back the one with the defective part. In the mean time, you can use the remaing good RAM sticks (properly called moduals) in the old kit you have to send back while waitng for the new kit to arive.

引用自 tacoshy：

oh redundancy for the less then 1% chance that you have broken RAM that you can use 12GB RAM instead of RAM instead of 8 for the 2 days the replacement package needs to arrive? Spending more for that, no upgrade path, less performance has heavy load on the memoory controller as well as more heat and less room to dispate heat...wondering why most ppl dont make that.

Most kits are bought online. They are often fragile or not handled well buy a seller while shipping. I am lucky enough to not worry abou tthat beccause I live near a computer specifc brick an mortar store called Microcenter. Most people have to buy those kits off of Amazon or Newegg, so that 1% is usually a 45% to 50% chance of someothing going wrong whil in transit.

[Omega]

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

引用自 Omega：

What redundancy?

You spend more, kill your upgrade path and you gain nothing.

First I will cover the word "redundancy" in terms of computing.

Redundancy is a fallbak plan or mechinism that optimizes performance in case one part of a whole breasks down, but the others continue to function.

3x4=12
1x8=8

when you do the math, you will have a better performance with 12GB system RAM than you would with only 8GB

So say you have 4 sticks of RAM with 4GB each for 16GB of RAM...One of them is dead on arival (DOA) and the other 3 still function. Yo can remove the bad one and still use the other 3. 12GB of RAM will be used in stead of the full 16GB the kit would normally have provided.

Say you have 2 sticks at 8GB each for 16GB RAM. One of them is DOA...you only have 8GB of RAM to deal with.

Now let us look at this realistically. If you have no other choice but to use that one computer that you want to have 16GB system RAM in...which kit will give you more RAM (and more performance as a result) if one of the sticks in the kit goes bad?


That is what redundancy is. It means that if a functional part of a whole breaks down, the other parts can still be used reliably. 1 kit is a whole, each stick of RAM is a part of that whole. If you do the math, you will see that in a 4x4GB kit, if one fails, you have 12GB of RAM to work with, whereas if you have a 2x8GB kit, and one goes bad, you only have 8GB system RAM availible.

Given that most of the RMA services involve shipping to God knows elswhere but nowhere near you, you will have to wait to get the new kit before sending back the one with the defective part. In the mean time, you can use the remaing good RAM sticks (properly called moduals) in the old kit you have to send back while waitng for the new kit to arive.

YES YES!

LETS MAKE ALL THESE SACTIFICES JUST SO WE HAVE 12GB INSTEAD OF 8GB IF THE RAM IS FAULTHY.

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

引用自 tacoshy：

oh redundancy for the less then 1% chance that you have broken RAM that you can use 12GB RAM instead of RAM instead of 8 for the 2 days the replacement package needs to arrive? Spending more for that, no upgrade path, less performance has heavy load on the memoory controller as well as more heat and less room to dispate heat...wondering why most ppl dont make that.

Most kits are bought online. They are often fragile or not handled well buy a seller while shipping. I am lucky enough to not worry abou tthat beccause I live near a computer specifc brick an mortar store called Microcenter. Most people have to buy those kits off of Amazon or Newegg, so that 1% is usually a 45% to 50% chance of someothing going wrong whil in transit.

Guess what.. All this RAM you are buying.. It's shipped from China, Korea and Japan mainly..

It's not fragile. Not even in the slightest.

[tacoshy]

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

引用自 tacoshy：

oh redundancy for the less then 1% chance that you have broken RAM that you can use 12GB RAM instead of RAM instead of 8 for the 2 days the replacement package needs to arrive? Spending more for that, no upgrade path, less performance has heavy load on the memoory controller as well as more heat and less room to dispate heat...wondering why most ppl dont make that.

Most kits are bought online. They are often fragile or not handled well buy a seller while shipping. I am lucky enough to not worry abou tthat beccause I live near a computer specifc brick an mortar store called Microcenter. Most people have to buy those kits off of Amazon or Newegg, so that 1% is usually a 45% to 50% chance of someothing going wrong whil in transit.

RAM isnt fragile, you can throw it against the wall without breaking it. If there would be a 50% chance half of the RAm must be RMA'ed if you look at the RMA quote then yous ee that it is less then 1%.


The only way to really break RAM is to touch the golden contacts in which case you cant RMA anyways.

Nice overextraggating to back up your story everybody can tell is wrong.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

引用自 Omega：

引用自 The Spoopy Kitteh：

First I will cover the word "redundancy" in terms of computing.

Redundancy is a fallbak plan or mechinism that optimizes performance in case one part of a whole breasks down, but the others continue to function.

3x4=12
1x8=8

when you do the math, you will have a better performance with 12GB system RAM than you would with only 8GB

So say you have 4 sticks of RAM with 4GB each for 16GB of RAM...One of them is dead on arival (DOA) and the other 3 still function. Yo can remove the bad one and still use the other 3. 12GB of RAM will be used in stead of the full 16GB the kit would normally have provided.

Say you have 2 sticks at 8GB each for 16GB RAM. One of them is DOA...you only have 8GB of RAM to deal with.

Now let us look at this realistically. If you have no other choice but to use that one computer that you want to have 16GB system RAM in...which kit will give you more RAM (and more performance as a result) if one of the sticks in the kit goes bad?


That is what redundancy is. It means that if a functional part of a whole breaks down, the other parts can still be used reliably. 1 kit is a whole, each stick of RAM is a part of that whole. If you do the math, you will see that in a 4x4GB kit, if one fails, you have 12GB of RAM to work with, whereas if you have a 2x8GB kit, and one goes bad, you only have 8GB system RAM availible.

Given that most of the RMA services involve shipping to God knows elswhere but nowhere near you, you will have to wait to get the new kit before sending back the one with the defective part. In the mean time, you can use the remaing good RAM sticks (properly called moduals) in the old kit you have to send back while waitng for the new kit to arive.

YES YES!

LETS MAKE ALL THESE SACTIFICES JUST SO WE HAVE 12GB INSTEAD OF 8GB IF THE RAM IS FAULTHY.

Sactifices? Well, in the off chance that you mean sacrifices, let me retitterate. Shipping and handling of those items through an RMA service can take several days here in the US because most chip and RAM modual manufacture store things in wherehouses out in California (preferably in a dry environment). It can take anywhere from 2 to 3 days to get your item via rush delivery...and that is if yoou can afford to pay the shipping. It is one day for processing alone. And that is IF you live in the lower 48 states. Hawaii and Alaska, it can take even longer...

[Monk]

The only, and I mean ONLY reason to go with 4 sticks of ram over two, outside of HEDT quad channel, is for looks, or if you NEED a crazy ammount of RAM that isn't possible on two sticks, 4 sticks is heavier on the controller, offers zero redundancy despite what some suggest, but will bite you should you choose to want more later, selling 4GB sticks when you move on are also worth considerably less than 8GB sticks.
It also costs more.
In Edmunds example, with two sticks, worse case is you drop to 8GB in single channel instead of 12.
However, there is another option, I have found it to be just as common for the dimm slot to go bad as the ram itself, if that were to happen with 4 sticks, you'll need to buy new ram to get back to 16GB as opposed to just swapping to the other set of dimm slots.

Basically, there is no need to fill all the ram slots up outside of wanting it to look cool, that was my sole reason on my current rig, and the ONLY argument that holds any water as to using 4x4GB over 2x8GB.

I struggle to see how this has gone on this long, well, I don't, some are simply trying to force their bad decisions on others again for some unknown reason.

A few additions as new stuff was posted while I replied, one, RAM isn't fragile, hold any part you want, you are safe 99.9% of the time, also, 12GB if RAM in single channel only has a benefit over 8GB in a single channel if you need more than 8GB, excess ram has zero benefits.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

引用自 Monk：

The only, and I mean ONLY reason to go with 4 sticks of ram over two, outside of HEDT quad channel, is for looks, or if you NEED a crazy ammount of RAM that isn't possible on two sticks, 4 sticks is heavier on the controller, offers zero redundancy despite what some suggest, but will bite you should you choose to want more later, selling 4GB sticks when you move on are also worth considerably less than 8GB sticks.
It also costs more.
In Edmunds example, with two sticks, worse case is you drop to 8GB in single channel instead of 12.
However, there is another option, I have found it to be just as common for the dimm slot to go bad as the ram itself, if that were to happen with 4 sticks, you'll need to buy new ram to get back to 16GB as opposed to just swapping to the other set of dimm slots.

Basically, there is no need to fill all the ram slots up outside of wanting it to look cool, that was my sole reason on my current rig, and the ONLY argument that holds any water as to using 4x4GB over 2x8GB.

I struggle to see how this has gone on this long, well, I don't, some are simply trying to force their bad decisions on others again for some unknown reason.

And in the event that a modual in a kit happens to be DOA? What then? 8GB RAM vs 12GB RAM...Which would be a better situation for gaming while waiting for the new kit to arrive to replace the old one? Also, OP lives in US, so redundency is part of that if they want to stilll use their PC for gaming while they wait for the new kit to arive.

For the record, just because 4 sticks for looks only was YOUR only reason, doesn't mean that it has to be the sole reason to do it for everyone else. I gave my suggestion based on my experiences with actually going through an RMA service based in the US....The 4x4GB confg allowed me to still have sufficient amoutn of RAM for gaming while I waited for the new kit to arrive from Corsair.

[Monk]

It's the only reason that makes sense, 8GB will be fine for a week IF a stick dies, which is very unlikely, if a slot dies, 2x8 is fine, while 4x4 needs a whole new set and us just as likely.

Again, you can game on 8GB,it's not ideal, but the times it's not, 12 won't be ideal either and again, we are talking about a sub 1% chance, so you are spending more money, for no real reason, as I said the only legitimate reason to fill all slots at 4x4 is for looks, anything else is all but pointless to do as you have just as good of a chance for two or 4 sticks to die as one, so no point even planning for it, you went for 4 as you thought it either looked cool, upgraded from 2x4 or simply didn't know better then.

My htpc has 4x4 sticks, I got them as they were considerably cheaper than 2x8 at the time (another valid reason for its the case I suppose if it's a big enough discount, mine were half price), it's now biting me in the butt, as I can't combine the other 16GB I have to give my htpc 32GB, as it often has dozens of chrome tabs open for weeks at a time, that crap added up lol

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

引用自 Monk：

It's the only reason that makes sense, 8GB will be fine for a week IF a stick dies, which is very unlikely, if a slot dies, 2x8 is fine, while 4x4 needs a whole new set and us just as likely.

Again, you can game on 8GB,it's not ideal, but the times it's not, 12 won't be ideal either and again, we are talking about a sub 1% chance, so you are spending more money, for no real reason, as I said the only legitimate reason to fill all slots at 4x4 is for looks, anything else is all but pointless to do as you have just as good of a chance for two or 4 sticks to die as one, so no point even planning for it, you went for 4 as you thought it either looked cool, upgraded from 2x4 or simply didn't know better then.

My htpc has 4x4 sticks, I got them as they were considerably cheaper than 2x8 at the time (another valid reason for its the case I suppose if it's a big enough discount, mine were half price), it's now biting me in the butt, as I can't combine the other 16GB I have to give my htpc 32GB, as it often has dozens of chrome tabs open for weeks at a time, that crap added up lol

Well, noIt is one of many reasons that makes sense. I actually did it because I ordered my parts online from Newegg and Amazon.Cost reduction and redundancy are important where I live because of the way these things are shipped.

Oh, I have horror stories about leaving tabs open. Imma gonna send you a friend request about that one Monk lol

[InfinityJosh]

Sometimes RMA timing is super slow and you need to fill many papers for RMA policy and shipping etc.
In that case a 4x4 slots is the better choice.

[Omega]

引用自 Infinity Josh：

Sometimes RMA timing is super slow and you need to fill many papers for RMA policy and shipping etc.
In that case a 4x4 slots is the better choice.

No. Stop lying.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

引用自 Omega：

引用自 Infinity Josh：

Sometimes RMA timing is super slow and you need to fill many papers for RMA policy and shipping etc.
In that case a 4x4 slots is the better choice.

No. Stop lying.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic...The OP lives in the US. Shipping PC parts by air in the US is hardly ever used...it takes a longer time depending on where you live, weather, whether or not one wants to pay extra for a rushed delivery. I have pointed that out several times throughout the thread Omega.

[Overseer]

Its really only a matter of preference. If you want to prepare for a faulty module then sure more are better (what are the failure rates anways?). And if you care for performance and the option to later add more then the 2 module solution is better. Its as simple as that. And thats why there are options.

I personally will always go for the 2 module kit. Not only will i add more later in, i also know that dual channel brings increased CPU performance and 4 module kits cost more than 2 module ones of the same type.

And since i keep track of the current prices here are the numbers for 16 GB Kits:

• 2x8 Kit: G.Skill RipJaws V, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-38 (F4-3200C16D-16GVGB); € 170,92
  
• 4x4 Kit: G.Skill RipJaws V, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-38 (F4-3200C16Q-16GVKB); € 198,54
  
• 2x8 Kit: G.Skill Trident Z, DDR4-3200, CL16-16-16-36 (F4-3200C16D-16GTZ); € 189,90
  
• 4x4 Kit: G.Skill Trident Z, DDR4-3200, CL16-16-16-36 (F4-3200C16Q-16GTZ); € 233,--

Maybe this is different in your area. But for me the choice is clear.

And where do you even get a single brand new 16 GB module?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

ALWAYS install RAM as pairs when Dual Channel.
If you upgrade to anything Quad Channel at some point; then go with 4x ##GB RAM for those

Stay away from anything below 2x8GB