Replace i5-7400 with a i7-7700k?????

[Joe Pro]

Currently have an i5-7400 4ghz, 16gb ram and a GTX 1060 6gb. I can play every game but on certain ones I have to turn some things down to high/medium setting for constant. The only newer game I'll be playing a ton is Far Cry 5 in a few days and was wondering if upgrading to the i7-7700k will help a lot with gaming in general and as well as future proofing.

[PATENT]

Автор сообщения: Cloud Boy

My opinion-
if you want more FPS, BUY better GPU first, simple....
99% of the game, there will be no bottleneck with i5 7400, You don't even have AC:O game.
Even with AC:O you will get 30-40% performance scaling with GTX 1070Ti /1080, despite having slight bottleneck with 7400. Then later Buy better CPU like 8th gen i5 / i7 when feel comfortable.

i7 7700K is a dead CPU now, with outdated platform with no future upgrading path, i would not spent any money on that. Beside, you won't get any noticible performance boost without new GPU anyway, No point buying 7700k only NOW, if no gain in performance found.

And i5 7400 is not a bad CPU, it still performs better than Ryzen 1600 in many games like GTA 5, Far cry Primal, Masseffect Andromida etc. See benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUVYQGnVT4c

yea upgrading from 1060 to 1070ti is great idea especially with current GPU prices and the fact that he has weak CPU already inside it that ALREADY bottlenecks 1060 in games like fallout 4 or Battlefield 1 and you're telling him to get better GPU...

[upcoast]

Автор сообщения: Deval

Автор сообщения: Cloud Boy

My opinion-
if you want more FPS, BUY better GPU first, simple....
99% of the game, there will be no bottleneck with i5 7400, You don't even have AC:O game.
Even with AC:O you will get 30-40% performance scaling with GTX 1070Ti /1080, despite having slight bottleneck with 7400. Then later Buy better CPU like 8th gen i5 / i7 when feel comfortable.

i7 7700K is a dead CPU now, with outdated platform with no future upgrading path, i would not spent any money on that. Beside, you won't get any noticible performance boost without new GPU anyway, No point buying 7700k only NOW, if no gain in performance found.

And i5 7400 is not a bad CPU, it still performs better than Ryzen 1600 in many games like GTA 5, Far cry Primal, Masseffect Andromida etc. See benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUVYQGnVT4c

yea upgrading from 1060 to 1070ti is great idea especially with current GPU prices and the fact that he has weak CPU already inside it that ALREADY bottlenecks 1060 in games like fallout 4 or Battlefield 1 and you're telling him to get better GPU...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/76333-i7-2600k-vs-i7-8700k-upgrading-worthwhile-8.html

You shot yourself in the foot there ^.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/76333-i7-2600k-vs-i7-8700k-upgrading-worthwhile-5.html

And there ^.

Fallout 4 I played on my old FX all cranked up at 1080p I don't see it as the end of the world\ at all.

[Joe Pro]

Автор сообщения: Deval

Автор сообщения: Cloud Boy

My opinion-
if you want more FPS, BUY better GPU first, simple....
99% of the game, there will be no bottleneck with i5 7400, You don't even have AC:O game.
Even with AC:O you will get 30-40% performance scaling with GTX 1070Ti /1080, despite having slight bottleneck with 7400. Then later Buy better CPU like 8th gen i5 / i7 when feel comfortable.

i7 7700K is a dead CPU now, with outdated platform with no future upgrading path, i would not spent any money on that. Beside, you won't get any noticible performance boost without new GPU anyway, No point buying 7700k only NOW, if no gain in performance found.

And i5 7400 is not a bad CPU, it still performs better than Ryzen 1600 in many games like GTA 5, Far cry Primal, Masseffect Andromida etc. See benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUVYQGnVT4c

yea upgrading from 1060 to 1070ti is great idea especially with current GPU prices and the fact that he has weak CPU already inside it that ALREADY bottlenecks 1060 in games like fallout 4 or Battlefield 1 and you're telling him to get better GPU...

Yes, my i5-7400 does currently bottleneck and causes a little stutter when playing GTA V or Fallout 4.

[upcoast]

Автор сообщения: Poe Boy Joe

Автор сообщения: Deval

yea upgrading from 1060 to 1070ti is great idea especially with current GPU prices and the fact that he has weak CPU already inside it that ALREADY bottlenecks 1060 in games like fallout 4 or Battlefield 1 and you're telling him to get better GPU...

Yes, my i5-7400 does currently bottleneck and causes a little stutter when playing GTA V or Fallout 4.

I think you're missing the point stutter and bottleneck are two very different things, if you are stuttering it is not the "bottleneck" that you're convinced you have causing it.

[Joe Pro]

Автор сообщения: upcoast

Автор сообщения: Poe Boy Joe

Yes, my i5-7400 does currently bottleneck and causes a little stutter when playing GTA V or Fallout 4.

I think you're missing the point stutter and bottleneck are two very different things, if you are stuttering it is not the "bottleneck" that you're convinced you have causing it.

I don't really know what I'm talking about no. However, when I go to task manager, it show's my cpu spiking up to 100% Usage.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Автор сообщения: Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism

Or see how ryzen 5 2400 performs.

Not worth the expence + change-up involved; and all Ryzen are picky about RAM, period.
a 7700K is a good choice, however you must buy a cooler for that, like Hyper212-EVO.
7700K will stomp any Ryzen into the ground for pure-gaming.

[FeilDOW]

Автор сообщения: Bad_Motha

Автор сообщения: Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism

Or see how ryzen 5 2400 performs.

Not worth the expence + change-up involved; and all Ryzen are picky about RAM, period.
a 7700K is a good choice, however you must buy a cooler for that, like Hyper212-EVO.
7700K will stomp any Ryzen into the ground for pure-gaming.

No difference with a 1060 even in CPU heavy games, I wouldn't go for the 1400 but the 1600 could have been had for about the same with sales right now and if the OP does start recording/streaming and other stuff while gaming it would have been just as good of an option.

If AMD pulls off a good 10-15% and being less picky about RAM with the 2000 series it would sit pretty close to the 7700k in game benchmarks with a 1080/ti.

[Malygos]

Автор сообщения: Bad_Motha

Автор сообщения: Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism

Or see how ryzen 5 2400 performs.

Not worth the expence + change-up involved; and all Ryzen are picky about RAM, period.
a 7700K is a good choice, however you must buy a cooler for that, like Hyper212-EVO.
7700K will stomp any Ryzen into the ground for pure-gaming.

Or even better even if hes not gonna overclock id say buy one of noctua's coolers if you're gonna stay on air these chips are a toss up you could run nice and cool and never worry about it or be one of the people who has to run stock at 1.25+ volts and need to have a good cooler if you wanna oc even a little

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

1400 or even 1600 + B350 is cheaper than 7700K.

But I know the 7700K is better for current games than 1600. As for whatever it's really a better choice vs the 2600 onwards though. I'd personally would had taken the 2600 but it's pretty irrelevant because he had already gotten a CPU I think and had decided he didn't wanted AMD I think. Then again all the same could be said for B360 and 8th gen Intel too.

[tacoshy]

mostly we forget the fact here, that the OP already has a B250 Motherboard. Buying a new motherboard and a weaker CPU kinda defeats the purpose of getting away cheaper...


If you tried to resell a B250 Motherboard you realize it wont give much profit if at all when trying tor esell it. You can get good B250 Motherboards for less then 60$ new so how much would you pay for an used one?

[upcoast]

Автор сообщения: Poe Boy Joe

Автор сообщения: upcoast

I think you're missing the point stutter and bottleneck are two very different things, if you are stuttering it is not the "bottleneck" that you're convinced you have causing it.

I don't really know what I'm talking about no. However, when I go to task manager, it show's my cpu spiking up to 100% Usage.

Sure quad core cpus have hit their limit lately but you still shouldn't be getting stutter, your cpu bottleneck should just be holding you gpu from peaking at %100.

Back to the original idea the i7 7700k with a budget 120mm HSF like the 212EVO would pop into your mobo then you'd have 4.2ghz 4 cores and 8 threads, sell off the i5 7400 for whatever you can get and call it a day.

[PATENT]

Автор сообщения: upcoast

Автор сообщения: Poe Boy Joe

I don't really know what I'm talking about no. However, when I go to task manager, it show's my cpu spiking up to 100% Usage.

Sure quad core cpus have hit their limit lately but you still shouldn't be getting stutter, your cpu bottleneck should just be holding you gpu from peaking at %100.

Back to the original idea the i7 7700k with a budget 120mm HSF like the 212EVO would pop into your mobo then you'd have 4.2ghz 4 cores and 8 threads, sell off the i5 7400 for whatever you can get and call it a day.

this ^

[FeilDOW]

If the GPU limitation is making the game drop below your locked 60fps or make FPS fluctuate wildly with unlocked famerate it will stutter this is the issue many had with AC:O.

[FeilDOW]

Автор сообщения: Cloud Boy

If your i5 7400 is bad, then 7700k won't do any miracle. Especially when you use it with B250 board. They both have same 4 cores and same IPC. Only difference is HT. And 90% of the game can't even utilize it. So after upgrading you will get almost same fps performance in most of the games. 10% +/ - at max.

Yup same IPC, but with the 7700k being clocked 1.2GHz higher even on a b250 board it will make a difference in lots of games and hyperthreading will help with streaming or recording games like PUBG.

If the OP had to do a whole CPU/MB/RAM then ya the 8700k would have been a no brainer, but the 7700k was a quick easy upgrade to get a few more years out of his rig.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Автор сообщения: tacoshy

mostly we forget the fact here, that the OP already has a B250 Motherboard. Buying a new motherboard and a weaker CPU kinda defeats the purpose of getting away cheaper...


If you tried to resell a B250 Motherboard you realize it wont give much profit if at all when trying tor esell it. You can get good B250 Motherboards for less then 60$ new so how much would you pay for an used one?

I haven't forgotten anything.

B350 + Ryzen 5 1400 or 1600 is cheaper than just an i7 7700K.

Even though you buy a motherboard too.

It also have the advantage that he then can sell not only the i5 7400 but actually both the B250 and the i5 7400.

The Ryzen 5 1600 simply is cheaper. It's not necessarily better though. It's definitely worse for current games. Then again my suggestion would had been the 2600 rather than the 1600 anyway, the i5 7400 is good enough to last for some time. Or well, sticking with the 7400 is also an alternative, as is the 7700K too of course. I don't really care. I wouldn't get the 7700K new in any situation though, 8th gen + new motherboard is a better deal. He has an i5 7400 and doesn't have to buy one now. Anyway it's up for him to decide and not really my problem.