Upgrade paths for Ryzen

[FireGryph]

Ryzen 1600
Asus Prime B350-Plus
Radeon 5700xt

RAM is where things get weird for me. I had been using 16GB HyperX Predator 3200, 2x8. However, with upgrading thoughts in mind I saw a deal on local online classified for some Crucial Ballistix Elite 3600, 2x8.
My intentions are to replace my motherboard and CPU, but not all at once. Hoping to do the mobo first, then the CPU. However Im flip flopping on which chipset I should be looking towards. Originally the plan was to get an x570, but after further research it seems a B450 or x470 would suit my needs fine. However, with the 3600 RAM, would I even be able to get the full speed out of them?

In the end, my plan is to have replaced all my current parts with the upgrades, and then re-assemble the old system again, for the most part. Ill be missing some things, but the main components will be there.

So Im looking for suggestions and reasons. Whats and whys. Im trying to learn still, I dont know everything. RAM has so many numbers to figure out and keep in mind and learn about, from the speed to the timings, DDR and what it means in regards to numbers, etc. I mean, its 3200, Ive got the BIOS set up with DOCP 3200 and all, yet in CPU-Z its telling me the NB and DRAM frequency is 1596.2. So if I see a motherboard listed as "Supports stock clocked RAM: DDR4-3200 / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133" does that mean the 3600 is not supported, or that it is because the actual speed is just half the listed speed, due to double data rate?
I may be way off, and Im definitely rambling. So...
Motherboard upgrade next? If so, what should I be looking into?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Sake of what RAM speed?
3200 cas14 is about THE best you could get, hands down. 3600 at its ridiculous Cas timings wont be faster

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bad 💀 Motha:

Sake of what RAM speed?
3200 cas14 is about THE best you could get, hands down. 3600 at its ridiculous Cas timings wont be faster

Actually 3600 CL16 is faster, just not in gaming. Users who need it for work and go with Ryzen 9 would want a 3600 CL16 kit, either for just the XMP profile or to OC to 3800 so they can max their FCLK, which GN recommends doing.

[Ruse]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

There is zero reasons to buy an x570 board right now. This is coming from someone that bought an x570 board. Most 450's and 470's come with support for third gen ryzen CPUs now.

Depends on the manufacturing date of the board, because if it's been sitting on a shelf since before July, it's not going to have a supporting BIOS.

And there are reasons; if you have a 3900X, you need pretty beefy VRMs.

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

Depends on the manufacturing date of the board, because if it's been sitting on a shelf since before July, it's not going to have a supporting BIOS.

And there are reasons; if you have a 3900X, you need pretty beefy VRMs.

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

If you grab a low end B350/450, it'll probably have issues with clocks when you slap such a power hungry chip into it. A320 gives that issue with Ryzen 3 chips.

[emoticorpse]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

Depends on the manufacturing date of the board, because if it's been sitting on a shelf since before July, it's not going to have a supporting BIOS.

And there are reasons; if you have a 3900X, you need pretty beefy VRMs.

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

Have you overclocked your cpu?

[Ralf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

Well your TUF can deliver 200A, the MAX boards 125A and OP's B350 75A, nice meme.

[FireGryph]

So I have the specs on each kit here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432022951110508556/637904884380729354/unknown.png



Most of it confuses me, some of it makes more sense the more research I do. However, what is 'Speed Grade?'

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez FireGryph:

So I have the specs on each kit here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432022951110508556/637904884380729354/unknown.png



Most of it confuses me, some of it makes more sense the more research I do. However, what is 'Speed Grade?'

The advertised RAM speed.

[FireGryph]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

Początkowo opublikowane przez FireGryph:

So I have the specs on each kit here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432022951110508556/637904884380729354/unknown.png



Most of it confuses me, some of it makes more sense the more research I do. However, what is 'Speed Grade?'

The advertised RAM speed.

But its not. The Kingston are advertised as 3200, and the Crucial are advertised as 3600.

[Ruse]

Początkowo opublikowane przez FireGryph:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

The advertised RAM speed.

But its not. The Kingston are advertised as 3200, and the Crucial are advertised as 3600.

It is the RAM speed. Generally speaking anything over 2100 MHz (give or take 100-200) is "OC'd" RAM. By default every modern motherboard is designed to run at that 2100 speed out of the box. Read the fine print on your motherboard to see what OC speeds it can achieve. IE: 3000+.


Here, this explains it better I hope:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/462465-mts-mhz/

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

If you grab a low end B350/450, it'll probably have issues with clocks when you slap such a power hungry chip into it. A320 gives that issue with Ryzen 3 chips.

If you grab a low grade anything, of course it'll have issues with higher end parts put into it. That's some super cherry picking right there. Also A320's have very little, if any, issues once you update the BIOS to support Ryzen 3xxx.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ralf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

VRM's is pretty much a meme or something used for click bait. I have an Asus TUF x570 with my 3900x and it seems fine to me. If your case has proper cooling, VRMs shouldn't be an issue on any board.

Well your TUF can deliver 200A, the MAX boards 125A and OP's B350 75A, nice meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7z-XP_Im_o

Nice meme indeed. VRMs aren't as important as everyone makes them out to be. In case you can't spare 3:30 minutes of your life. A320 and B350 boards have zero issues with a Ryzen 3900x.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

Początkowo opublikowane przez FireGryph:

But its not. The Kingston are advertised as 3200, and the Crucial are advertised as 3600.

It is the RAM speed. Generally speaking anything over 2100 MHz (give or take 100-200) is "OC'd" RAM. By default every modern motherboard is designed to run at that 2100 speed out of the box. Read the fine print on your motherboard to see what OC speeds it can achieve. IE: 3000+.


Here, this explains it better I hope:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/462465-mts-mhz/

Początkowo opublikowane przez Escorve:

If you grab a low end B350/450, it'll probably have issues with clocks when you slap such a power hungry chip into it. A320 gives that issue with Ryzen 3 chips.

If you grab a low grade anything, of course it'll have issues with higher end parts put into it. That's some super cherry picking right there. Also A320's have very little, if any, issues once you update the BIOS to support Ryzen 3xxx.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ralf:

Well your TUF can deliver 200A, the MAX boards 125A and OP's B350 75A, nice meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7z-XP_Im_o

Nice meme indeed. VRMs aren't as important as everyone makes them out to be. In case you can't spare 3:30 minutes of your life. A320 and B350 boards have zero issues with a Ryzen 3900x.

That last bit about A320 having no issues with 3900X is absolute horseshite. You're severely holding back the 3900X as the VRMs and other features of A320 boards are too cheap and lack adequate support for such a chip. Another user had an issue with his R3 1200 where his A320-S2H wouldn't allow him to get clocks higher than 2.8 GHz no matter what he tried, and he tried everything. The simple fact is that A320 is not built for realistic performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69jw9i4p4-Y

Anyone in their right mind wouldn't use A320. It's a total waste of money because those boards are barely 10$ away from some cheaper B350/450 boards that completely blow them out of the park.

Lastly, you limit how high your 3900X can boost the worse off your VRMs are, I know that from personal experience with my 2700X going from an X470 AORUS Gaming 7 WIFI to a B450M-DS3H (as I upgraded my CPU), that's not a matter of opinion.

2700X was boosting to 4.5 (on one core, obviously, that's how it works) with my X470 board (X470 AORUS Gaming 7 was applauded by Buildzoid for its beefy VRM spec that was above what the 2700X needed, hence the 4.5 GHz boosting with an H115i RGB Platinum), but on my B450M-DS3H, it rarely goes above the turbo clock of 4.3 with the same settings in BIOS, and even then, it's not often. The difference is that my X470 board's VRMs are essentially at least twice as efficient as the VRMs on my B450M.

[Ruse]

Hi, again, look at the video I posted. There's literally a 2 FPS difference between an A320 and a B450 board. Not to mention there's talk of an upcoming 3900x 65 TDP. That fits perfectly into a A320. I'll say this once, and only once in the hopes you'll understand. An A320 is perfectly fine for Ryzen 3xxx chips. The only exception to this is overclocking, which I agree a B450 or higher is much better for it.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

Hi, again, look at the video I posted. There's literally a 2 FPS difference between an A320 and a B450 board. Not to mention there's talk of an upcoming 3900x 65 TDP. That fits perfectly into a A320. I'll say this once, and only once in the hopes you'll understand. An A320 is perfectly fine for Ryzen 3xxx chips. The only exception to this is overclocking, which I agree a B450 or higher is much better for it.

Tell that to the Ryzen 3 1200 user who was limited by his A320 and couldn't get higher than 2.8 under load.
And we're not comparing FPS here, we're comparing how much power the VRM can provide, and that influences how high it can boost.

Nobody manually OCs Ryzen because you don't get any better performance than just turning on Precision Boost Overdrive either -- something that A320 doesn't actually support.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ryzen and Intel 8th/9th are designed to run at 2666 minimum

The boards just support a range of ram speeds. And it's not OC until you go above approx 3200

As far as A320 boards, these support the Ryzen cpus, but yes their VRM is a limiting factor. Really the only reason to go with an A320 is for a cheap office PC where all you wish to install is an AM4 Athlon. Even then I find them pointless still, as for an Office PC it would make more sense with what's out now and how pricing has changed to go with a cheap B450M board and use a 2200G/2400G instead.

[FireGryph]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dogbait:

It is the RAM speed. Generally speaking anything over 2100 MHz (give or take 100-200) is "OC'd" RAM. By default every modern motherboard is designed to run at that 2100 speed out of the box. Read the fine print on your motherboard to see what OC speeds it can achieve. IE: 3000+.


Here, this explains it better I hope:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/462465-mts-mhz/

so when a motherboard specifies
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Un-buffered Memory

This means the motherboard supports up to 3200mhz RAM, but can ALSO overclock further maybe?
And when a RAM is marketed as 3200mhz it is actually only 2400T? (whatever the T is) And it will auto-overclock to 3200mhz on a board that supports the speed?

Sorry, that link didn't really explain why this number in particular is different. It makes sense in explaining data rate vs clock speed, and how clock speed is generally actually just half mhz, because its DOUBLE data rate. But 2400 is certainly not half of 3200.