DoomSlayer 25/out./2019 às 18:09
Nvidia Optimus - Disable IGPU?
So far I have optimized my laptop (MSI GL63 8SD) rather well, getting over 3000 in cinebench r20 on the CPU.

(I have officially ditched my actual PC at this point. My laptop is nearly double its performance.)
((Only thing that limits me is the igpu. I can't use DSR and that's seriously pissing me off))

I have undervolted the core by -300, igpu by -100 and cache -144. And its been stable for a few weeks now.

Since MSI already included a fully unlocked bios, I found out I can overclock my ram which gave my CPU a boost in performance, and the memory bandwidth was better too. 2666 to 2933mhz

I also overclocked the screen to 67hz. I couldn't go anymore or else the screen would start to glitch but I have a feeling that's something to do with intel because if I hook up my 4k monitor which is 75hz, it'll display 75hz on my laptops screen too.

I found these settings in the bios. I don't want to change them in risk of bricking my laptop, even though after 3 bios crashes it'll automatically reset itself, I don't want to risk it.

(This isn't a modded bios, this is official. Left alt + right ctrl + right shift and f2 unlocks the hidden bios)

https://imgur.com/a/tQCh79A (bios photo, and cinebench)

If I set the primary display to PEG or PCIE, will it be running on the 1660ti? I really want to play the new cod at 1440p and I know this laptop can handle it at 1440p.

Oh and I also found some CPU overclocking settings... Tried them already, didn't work sadly... It booted into windows just fine, but it ignored whatever I set :P
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_I_ 25/out./2019 às 18:43 
on the old laptops, intel did not have its igp/gma
or the ones with the gma could disable it and the amd/nvidia gpu would be the only thing attched directly to the displays

like pictured above, everything now goes through the intel hd, the newer ones are strong enough for still image processing not to interfere with the nvidia gpus, and can even help when streaming or capturing, let the intel hd do the video compression ect.. while the nvidia draws the images
DoomSlayer 25/out./2019 às 18:44 
Escrito originalmente por Snow:
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Wouldn't setting it to PEG in the bios make the Nvidia card the primary GPU, the intel one would still be active in the background as it isn't fully disabled, right?
It seems you misunderstood the concept. Intel's GPU is the one connected to the screen, so the one sending the image. If you somehow disable it - you'll get no image at all, because NVidia's GPU is not connected to the screen. Intel's GPU is always active on foreground.


To me omega, this laptop is far superior than my actual gaming PC. Its nearly double the performance of my PC, and the fact that is portable is a huge plus too. Its the reason why I got this one, it was on sale for a good price.
VVV

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Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
I just don't understand... The I-gpu is an integrated gpu. I didn't think making the nvidia one the primary one for the screen would disable the igpu all together?
The MSI GL63 8SD is a normal laptop and not a desktop. The I-GPU can not be disabled, the Nvidia one however can be set to be prefered.

Here is a slide from Nvidia which shows you how this stuff works and why the Intel can not be disabled:
http://notebookspec.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NVDA_Optimus_Overview.jpg

:/

That seriously stinks. So there is no way I can set my screen to 1440p or 4k? I mean if I plugged my 4k monitor is, my laptop will display that 4k resolution. So its not like it can't do it, there is something limiting it.

For proof, I am using my laptop right now running at 4k.
And my monitor is turned off, its just plugged into my laptop.
https://imgur.com/a/DLo6gJV

Yes the text isn't perfect, and yes its not the best color... but still. Its running 4k, if I were to set this is CRU or something else, it wouldn't work. This is mainly why I want to disable the intel card, so I can properly run a custom resolution without having to unplug my hdmi cable from my pc that is connected to my 4k monitor just to have a higher resolution.
Última edição por DoomSlayer; 25/out./2019 às 18:47
Omega 25/out./2019 às 18:49 
Make sure you are using a HDMI 2.0 cable and that the monitor also has a 2.0 port. Or use the mini-Displayport instead of HDMI.

And your laptop has a 1080p screen, not a 4K one. Do not use DSR/VSR on the desktop.

That monitor you are using is actually 4K right?
Última edição por Omega; 25/out./2019 às 18:53
_I_ 25/out./2019 às 18:53 
use winkey+p and extend(and set the 4k as primary display), or pick the display you want to use
cloning different res can cause other issues

give the intel hd 1g of shared ram for its vram

then games should be able to use the 4k res
DoomSlayer 25/out./2019 às 19:28 
Escrito originalmente por _I_:
use winkey+p and extend(and set the 4k as primary display), or pick the display you want to use
cloning different res can cause other issues

give the intel hd 1g of shared ram for its vram

then games should be able to use the 4k res

If the monitor is plugged in games will be able to use the 4k res regardless of my igpus vram settings. Just tried that now, no difference.


Rant V

The intel bs gpu can't go above 2048x1152 60hz, or else the screen will just go black... just because ya' know... there isn't enough bandwidth. :steammocking: **cough cough** - The trick is to plug in a hdmi cable... Oh look at that, now I can select 4k, and 1440p???

What is that intel, you said there wasn't any bandwidth left? Lying sack of $hit. That monitor isn't even running. Its power supply isn't even plugged in, yet I can still run 4k? Its 2019 and you aren't coded to block this too intel? Color me surprised. Its only a matter of time now :(

(The only thing plugged into my monitor is the hdmi cable. There's ZERO power going to it, and still my laptop is running at 4k. Only a matter of time intel fixes this 'bypass'.)

https://imgur.com/a/zGZSdaZ

When I eventually upgrade my PC, I am ditching Intel and Nvidia. ♥♥♥♥ them and their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bs. 'Nvidia Optimus' What the ♥♥♥♥ ever, I am not spending $2500 on a 'higher-end' model just so I can disable ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ intel hd... They block everything, from refresh rates to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ overclocks to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ resolutions...

See what I mean when I say I don't understand it at all, and don't understand why there's no DSR options in nvidia control panel? Seriously man. Why the hell is this gone? Makes zero sense when my laptop can run 4k natively, the only thing I had to do was, plug in a hdmi cable.

Yet I would have to spend another $2000 to get a laptop with the ability to disable the igpu.

Considering the fact the GPU is limited to only 80 watts when there plently of cooling headroom to allow for more power, is just further proof Nvidia does this to force you to buy the higher end model.

There's no way around this as Nvidia encrypted the bios, unsurprisingly, after they found out people have been unlocking their cards for more performance, just like I did with my gtx 970. Its nearly as fast as an 1070 ti - 1080 founders edition with the mods I have done to it.

♥♥♥♥ you Nvidia.

DoomSlayer 25/out./2019 às 19:41 
Escrito originalmente por Omega:
Make sure you are using a HDMI 2.0 cable and that the monitor also has a 2.0 port. Or use the mini-Displayport instead of HDMI.

And your laptop has a 1080p screen, not a 4K one. Do not use DSR/VSR on the desktop.

That monitor you are using is actually 4K right?

Yes my monitor is the benq el2870u. 28' 4k screen.

And my laptop would run 4k on its built in screen if I had the hdmi cable plugged in. I've uploaded screenshots on imgur for proof.
Komrade 25/out./2019 às 19:43 
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Escrito originalmente por Omega:
Make sure you are using a HDMI 2.0 cable and that the monitor also has a 2.0 port. Or use the mini-Displayport instead of HDMI.

And your laptop has a 1080p screen, not a 4K one. Do not use DSR/VSR on the desktop.

That monitor you are using is actually 4K right?

Yes my monitor is the benq el2870u. 28' 4k screen.

And my laptop would run 4k on its built in screen if I had the hdmi cable plugged in. I've uploaded screenshots on imgur for proof.
It's a built in 4K screen?
Omega 25/out./2019 às 19:43 
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Escrito originalmente por Omega:
Make sure you are using a HDMI 2.0 cable and that the monitor also has a 2.0 port. Or use the mini-Displayport instead of HDMI.

And your laptop has a 1080p screen, not a 4K one. Do not use DSR/VSR on the desktop.

That monitor you are using is actually 4K right?

Yes my monitor is the benq el2870u. 28' 4k screen.

And my laptop would run 4k on its built in screen if I had the hdmi cable plugged in. I've uploaded screenshots on imgur for proof.
The HDMI cable has nothing to do with the laptop's internal screen.

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♥♥♥♥ you Nvidia.
Nvidia **** you!
- Linus Torvalds
Última edição por Omega; 25/out./2019 às 19:44
Snow 25/out./2019 às 20:14 
Escrito originalmente por Omega:
Nvidia **** you!
- Linus Torvalds
NVidia have already ♥♥♥♥♥♥ each of us more times than we can imagine. That's what big companies do, basically.
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Yet I would have to spend another $2000 to get a laptop with the ability to disable the igpu.
I don't see how another laptop would help here. If lappy's got iGPU - you can't disable it.
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DoomSlayer 25/out./2019 às 21:32 
Escrito originalmente por Snow:
Escrito originalmente por Omega:
Nvidia **** you!
- Linus Torvalds
NVidia have already ♥♥♥♥♥♥ each of us more times than we can imagine. That's what big companies do, basically.
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Yet I would have to spend another $2000 to get a laptop with the ability to disable the igpu.
I don't see how another laptop would help here. If lappy's got iGPU - you can't disable it.
I'm talking about higher end models, the GT series... Ones that have a 'hardware' switch that you can't get on lower end models.

Escrito originalmente por notkennyS:
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:

Yes my monitor is the benq el2870u. 28' 4k screen.

And my laptop would run 4k on its built in screen if I had the hdmi cable plugged in. I've uploaded screenshots on imgur for proof.
It's a built in 4K screen?

No it isn't a built in 4k screen. My laptop has a 1080p screen 60hz screen, but for whatever reason, if I plug in that hdmi cable which is connected to my monitor (even though the monitors power isn't plugged in), I am able to set my built-in screen to 4k as in the photo.


Photos showing my external 4k monitor isn't plugged in
https://imgur.com/a/zGZSdaZ
And display settings on my laptop
https://imgur.com/a/DLo6gJV
Última edição por DoomSlayer; 25/out./2019 às 21:35
MancSoulja 25/out./2019 às 23:25 
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Escrito originalmente por Snow:
NVidia have already ♥♥♥♥♥♥ each of us more times than we can imagine. That's what big companies do, basically.

I don't see how another laptop would help here. If lappy's got iGPU - you can't disable it.
I'm talking about higher end models, the GT series... Ones that have a 'hardware' switch that you can't get on lower end models.

Escrito originalmente por notkennyS:
It's a built in 4K screen?

No it isn't a built in 4k screen. My laptop has a 1080p screen 60hz screen, but for whatever reason, if I plug in that hdmi cable which is connected to my monitor (even though the monitors power isn't plugged in), I am able to set my built-in screen to 4k as in the photo.


Photos showing my external 4k monitor isn't plugged in
https://imgur.com/a/zGZSdaZ
And display settings on my laptop
https://imgur.com/a/DLo6gJV

It's just a display bug with Windows, in reality your laptop display isn't magic and it can't magically increase it's pixel count by 10 million when you plug a HDMI cable in the side.
^èa†èr^ 30/out./2019 às 21:46 
i have 2 msi gaming laptops GE73 raider and GS75 steath. just choose preffered processor in control panel high performance nvidia instead of auto or uhd, and nvidia driver messed up external monitor 9 months ago and hdmi plugs never identify the monitors no more.
Última edição por ^èa†èr^; 30/out./2019 às 21:47
DoomSlayer 31/out./2019 às 5:52 
Escrito originalmente por 3473R:
i have 2 msi gaming laptops GE73 raider and GS75 steath. just choose preffered processor in control panel high performance nvidia instead of auto or uhd, and nvidia driver messed up external monitor 9 months ago and hdmi plugs never identify the monitors no more.
Nvidia.... Pesky, pesky Nvidia... Greedy bastards.

Did you try using ddu on the drivers and clean install them? That makes no sense how the hdmi ports are 'fried', never working again.

A AMD gpu laptop wouldn't have this issue, I'd probably still be able to overclock the display further than this POS...
Komrade 31/out./2019 às 5:54 
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Escrito originalmente por 3473R:
i have 2 msi gaming laptops GE73 raider and GS75 steath. just choose preffered processor in control panel high performance nvidia instead of auto or uhd, and nvidia driver messed up external monitor 9 months ago and hdmi plugs never identify the monitors no more.
Nvidia.... Pesky, pesky Nvidia... Greedy bastards.

Did you try using ddu on the drivers and clean install them? That makes no sense how the hdmi ports are 'fried', never working again.

A AMD gpu laptop wouldn't have this issue, I'd probably still be able to overclock the display further than this POS...
How is Nvidia related to overclocking your monitor...
DoomSlayer 31/out./2019 às 5:58 
Escrito originalmente por notkennyS:
Escrito originalmente por Flukey:
Nvidia.... Pesky, pesky Nvidia... Greedy bastards.

Did you try using ddu on the drivers and clean install them? That makes no sense how the hdmi ports are 'fried', never working again.

A AMD gpu laptop wouldn't have this issue, I'd probably still be able to overclock the display further than this POS...
How is Nvidia related to overclocking your monitor...

I was relating that to how his hdmi ports suddenly stopped working. DDU might fix it, but I never heard of this happening before.

3473R,
", and nvidia driver messed up external monitor 9 months ago and hdmi plugs never identify the monitors no more."

And screen oc'ing, its more of up to the igpu I believe, but its rather ♥♥♥♥♥♥ of nvidia, and or, MSI forces you to use the igpu as the dedicated card.

Última edição por DoomSlayer; 31/out./2019 às 5:58
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