i5 8400 vs ryzen 1600 :: Hardware and Operating Systems

Bad 💀 Motha 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 07분

Infinity Josh님이 먼저 게시:
Bad_Motha님이 먼저 게시:
Yes, 2400G, 2600X or 2700X is really all you should consider.
2400G will match a 1600 in CPU performance. Forget Gen1, it's dead.

A 1600 if under $150.00 is not a bad buy but it requires faster RAM to perform as an Intel 8400.

What if? It's a $180 CPU... LOL

2600 = $189
2400G = $155

Why would you choose a 1600 for approx $180?

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InfinityJosh 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 11분

Bad_Motha님이 먼저 게시:
Infinity Josh님이 먼저 게시:

A 1600 if under $150.00 is not a bad buy but it requires faster RAM to perform as an Intel 8400.

What if? It's a $180 CPU... LOL

2600 = $189
2400G = $155

Why would you choose a 1600 for approx $180?

I know I said if due to new gen it would drop to 150.00 it won't be a bad buy for performance/price ratio.
It also could run without BIOS flash on cheap MBs.

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Bad 💀 Motha 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 16분

That's the problem, the prices are not dropping really on Ryzen-Gen1; meanwhile the Gen2 has much better performance at the same or better price-points; that was my whole point with regards to saying Gen1 is dead, stay away from it. All that will be now is a waste of money given you will have better performance at the basically around the same pricing with either; Ryzen Gen2, Intel 7th Gen or Intel 8th Gen. Before 8th Gen was over-expensive. Now with the newer H360 Motherboards, it allows many on tigher budgets to get 8th Gen now since you're not being forced to buy a more expensive Z370 Motherboard.

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InfinityJosh 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 24분

Bad_Motha님이 먼저 게시:
That's the problem, the prices are not dropping really on Ryzen-Gen1; meanwhile the Gen2 has much better performance at the same or better price-points; that was my whole point with regards to saying Gen1 is dead, stay away from it. All that will be now is a waste of money given you will have better performance at the basically around the same pricing with either; Ryzen Gen2, Intel 7th Gen or Intel 8th Gen. Before 8th Gen was over-expensive. Now with the newer H360 Motherboards, it allows many on tigher budgets to get 8th Gen now since you're not being forced to buy a more expensive Z370 Motherboard.

Yes, overall 2th gen is a no brainer choice but on budget rigs you also need to compare total price of MB+CPU.
Intel lately with H310M MBs is an affordable choice even with budget rigs because it doesn't require a fast RAM too.

i3 8100 + H310M + cheapest (2x4) 2400 mhz+ RAM is a good alternative to AMD RYZEN.

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upcoast 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 40분

Another way to look at it is you'll probably want to swap again when Ryzen 7nm comes along in 2019ish.

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Bad 💀 Motha 2018년 6월 6일 오전 10시 40분

Yes 8100 is 4-Cores so there is no real issue there with Gaming to be honest.
It's not longer the poor 2-Core it once was in previous Gens and thus should not be ruled out.
You can pair an 8100 w/ 2x8GB of DDR4-2666 just fine, as all 8th Gen should be paired with as their minimums for RAM; and having you gaming very well on High or Ultra @ 1080p w/ a decent enough GPU such as 970 / 980 Ti or something more updated from the GTX 10xx series like 1060 6GB or better.

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FeilDOW 2018년 6월 7일 오전 2시 17분

Bad_Motha님이 먼저 게시:
Well first off, why even look towards the direction of Ryzen Gen1; it's sorely surpassed and over-shadowed by the Ryzen Gen2; which is an easy 10-30% gains over the Gen1, at around the same or lesser price-points.

If you are looking at Intel 8th Gen; look a i3-8350K, 8600K, or 8700K, none of the others.

Never use stock coolers, period. Always buy a good one, something even around $25-40 could be more than enough for most CPUs of around the 95W TDP range or less (a good heatpipe tower w/ 120mm fan) and keep such CPUs well below 75*C instead of hovering near their max, which is what the stock coolers will do.

Where in the world do you see the Zen+ sorely surpassed and overshadowing Zen? If they had a 30% jump I would have upgraded but in reality it more like 3-5% with both OC'ed.

If a good deal can be found for a 1600 there is no reason not to get it, and do not buy a 2400g over a 1600.

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igloosfolly 2018년 6월 7일 오전 6시 08분

Why would anyone want anything to do with a 4 core unless the budget was very tight. Zen+ adds 1 to 11/2 ghz woopty do. There are no boards in the budget range except the ASrock POS ready for it. With Ryzen a 95watt cooler will not cut it you will have to trust me on this or spend your money to learn the hard way. Go ahead buy Intel and watch your board become obsolete overnight. How many times does Intel have to do this too you before you catch a clue. The OP has a budget so just stop with 100 cpu upgrades really just stop. DDR4 2666 can almost always match or even beat 3200 in most games so why buy it. Spend the money on the board and ram for the better bios. What fun is a chip that you cant over clock. The 1600 was the industries little darling until 2 months ago it is a good chip. 6 threads vs 12 and a 35% gain in multi thread what is not to love. How important will single thread be in two years. Drop the mic.

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vadim 2018년 6월 7일 오전 6시 13분

igloosfolly님이 먼저 게시:
Why would anyone want anything to do with a 4 core unless the budget was very tight.

Probably because quadcode+HT is enough for each and every game?

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igloosfolly 2018년 6월 7일 오후 2시 50분

The new I3 quads mentioned in this topic do not have hyper threading. You have to go Ryzen for that perk.

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InfinityJosh 2018년 6월 7일 오후 2시 56분

igloosfolly님이 먼저 게시:
The new I3 quads mentioned in this topic do not have hyper threading. You have to go Ryzen for that perk.

You don't need it as long as 90% games won't benefit from over 4 cores.
At least 5/6 years of lifespan for simple 4 cores CPUs considering glorious PENTIUM experience throughout the years.

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igloosfolly 2018년 6월 7일 오후 3시 20분

If you dont need hyper threading then lets all run a Atholon or worse a gen 7 I3. No need to purchase a I7 or Ryzen just keep gaming on that Pentium and DDR2 and who needs a L3 cache.

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John Doe 2018년 6월 7일 오후 4시 17분

Bad_Motha님이 먼저 게시:
Never use stock coolers, period.

The Wraith Max is absolutely a fine cooler for any of the Ryzens. I have one and it has zero difficulty with cooling my 2600. Does not even hit 50C at full load... because the IHS is soldered. Stop giving terrible advice like this on things you don't have a clue about.

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Bad 💀 Motha 2018년 6월 7일 오후 4시 40분

igloosfolly님이 먼저 게시:
Why would anyone want anything to do with a 4 core unless the budget was very tight. Zen+ adds 1 to 11/2 ghz woopty do. There are no boards in the budget range except the ASrock POS ready for it. With Ryzen a 95watt cooler will not cut it you will have to trust me on this or spend your money to learn the hard way. Go ahead buy Intel and watch your board become obsolete overnight. How many times does Intel have to do this too you before you catch a clue. The OP has a budget so just stop with 100 cpu upgrades really just stop. DDR4 2666 can almost always match or even beat 3200 in most games so why buy it. Spend the money on the board and ram for the better bios. What fun is a chip that you cant over clock. The 1600 was the industries little darling until 2 months ago it is a good chip. 6 threads vs 12 and a 35% gain in multi thread what is not to love. How important will single thread be in two years. Drop the mic.

Well it doesn't matter which flavor of family you choose; they all include a ticking life span timer; so which we never know how long that will realistically last us as a user; but overall all we can do is choose from what's available now. As obviously picking something older is just a horrible choice if we wish to upgrade or addon to that system over time.

Yes that is fine if stock cooler does ok for you; I didn't mean to suggest never use it and simply toss it out. Always keep the stock cooler as a starting point if need-be and also keep around as a backup just in-case.

AMD CPU Temps are often also incorrect in many monitoring apps; if this is a concern of any sort to you; please review the apps update logs or view their forums to see if any such fixes have made its way to the public release of such software yet. CPUID did it, but it was not over-night. And such apps are not always assured that they can be accurate across all Motherboards and/or all CPUs. Sometimes your Motherboard might have had bad QC from the factory, resulting a badly placed sensor, or even a faulty one, or perhaps that sensor has gone bad over the course of you owning your hardware. Many of these apps had seems to brush off support for FM2/AM3 and not really give it any thoughts, but many jumped into Forums such as CPUID and others and complained, as being an AMD Ryzen owner they wanted the deserved support like all the Intel owners get with such various apps, and why not, it's a platform people will be using, regardless of the % differences between AMD vs Intel. One way to cross-check your Motherboard + CPU + GPU sensors is with installing multiple apps and only set what you end up really liking, as a app that might be included in say; OS Startup. Others you can just leave manually installed and use if/when needed as a cross-check method of comparison; like having HWMonitor + OpenHardwareMonitor + MSI Afterburner all installed; along with the Monitoring app supplied by the Motherboard maker. Why not...

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John Doe 2018년 6월 7일 오후 4시 47분

Please stop giving us more crap, my chassis was open, I touched the end of the heatsink and it was cold. Thing doesn't get hot under that Wraith Max at all, it's built on a low fab and the soldered IHS gets it to much lower temps than its 6-core equivalent Intels.

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