Bad Benchmarks with my new GTX 1060 (6GB) gpu - Anyone an idea why?

[Kirami]

Hey guys,
so a couple days ago I assembled for the first time a new gaming PC.

Everything went smooth in the building process.
Though I am not satisfied with the Benchmark tests of my graphic card.

I did multiple tests with different Benchmark test tools.

Here is one for example: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8077000

There you can see my specs as well.

Why is my card performing below average? Nvidia drivers are up to date and I didn't install anything else other than steam yet. While I ran the tests I had no backround programs running in task manager other than Cortana.

I run windows 10.

I also did a test on the Unigine Heaven 4.0 benchmark.
And my results there are horrible:

Ultra 1080p, 8xAA, Vsync On - Score: 1064
Same with Vsync Off - Score: 1501

I compared it online with some ohter people posting their results on various forums and their scores all ranged between 2000-3200.


How can this be? I've got 16 GB ram, a ryzen 5 1600 cpu & a GTX 1060 6gb gpu.
And yet I can't run a game like TW: Shogun 2 without getting FPS lag in battles.

Is the card maybe damaged? Shall I return it?
Would love to hear any advices, since I am qutie a noob in this matter.

[Hatman]

According to those numbers you are only slightly below average performance for the card. Wich can be acredited to using a Ryzen CPU (intels are simply faster for games..) and poor RAM.

[Kirami]

Originally posted by Hatman:

According to those numbers you are only slightly below average performance for the card. Wich can be acredited to using a Ryzen CPU (intels are simply faster for games..) and poor RAM.

Thanks for your answer. What you mean with poor RAM? Crucial Sticks or the amount of RAM?
I've got 2x8 GB ram with around 13.1 ram available.

So there is not much I can do I guess.
It's just I paid over 1000 bucks to get this build and then the graphic card performs below average.

Maybe its indeed a CPU related issue.

[Monk]

To get a far better breakdown, download and run 3dmark firestrike, you can get the free version on their site or steam.

Userbenchmark is pretty meaningless as it isn't that accurate and doesn't give any indication of clock speeds for others results etc.

As for heaven, despite running it hundreds of times, I've never paid any attention to the score, so I only use unigine tests for stability as the loop is very useful.

Ideally, always test on a clean fresh boot, with nothing else running and disable vsync / gsync.

Once you run firestrike please share the results link.

Chances are others scores are on overclocked components or with fast RAM which ryzen likes.

Edit.

By bad RAM I believe hatman is refering to the speed, ryzen works best with 3000MHz RAM.

[Kirami]

Originally posted by Monk:

To get a far better breakdown, download and run 3dmark firestrike, you can get the free version on their site or steam.

Userbenchmark is pretty meaningless as it isn't that accurate and doesn't give any indication of clock speeds for others results etc.

As for heaven, despite running it hundreds of times, I've never paid any attention to the score, so I only use unigine tests for stability as the loop is very useful.

Ideally, always test on a clean fresh boot, with nothing else running and disable vsync / gsync.

Once you run firestrike please share the results link.

Chances are others scores are on overclocked components or with fast RAM which ryzen likes.

Edit.

By bad RAM I believe hatman is refering to the speed, ryzen works best with 3000MHz RAM.

Haha, I just started the download of 3dmark before reading your reply. Nice timing.

Though on Steam the download somehow doesn't work for me. Maybe because I'm in Germany at the moment?

I can only open the 28€ version but when I click the demo it redirects me there.

I downloaded 3dmark directly from their website instead.


Once I installed it I will reboot my system and do the test. Then I will show you the results here.


- Ah I didn't know that about the RAM. Unfortunately the RAM prices are so high at the moment. The pieces I got cost like half the price a year ago.

[Prbtt]

Check your ram speeds. Check gpu-z and post screenshot here. Try overclocking your gpu. Try overclocking your cpu.

[Monk]

Ah awesome, no idea why it did that, I use the indipendant version as to not have steam running at the same time myself, but I push for the upper echelons where every point counts lol.

For some results to compare your scores to, here's a few done with my old 4790k using a 980 (comparable to a 1060) Vega 64 (closer to a 1080) and 1080ti along with sli results.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12929178/fs/12413719/fs/12773106/fs/13742842/fs/12860401/fs/13742919/fs/13743094

You should be able to get around the 12k - 14k mark comparable to the single 980 score.

Edit.
Forgot to actually include the link.

Edit 2.
For ultimate comparison / honestly just showing off https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14761782 but you can see how the 4790k was holding back the 1080ti's in the graphics test (that doesn't make use of all the cores).

[Kirami]

Originally posted by Monk:

Ah awesome, no idea why it did that, I use the indipendant version as to not have steam running at the same time myself, but I push for the upper echelons where every point counts lol.

For some results to compare your scores to, here's a few done with my old 4790k using a 980 (comparable to a 1060) Vega 64 (closer to a 1080) and 1080ti along with sli results.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12929178/fs/12413719/fs/12773106/fs/13742842/fs/12860401/fs/13742919/fs/13743094

You should be able to get around the 12k - 14k mark comparable to the single 980 score.

Edit.
Forgot to actually include the link.

Alright I did the Firestrike test. In the free version I couldn't access additional settings to turn Vsync off etc., but since it had a lot of screen tearing I guess it was off anyway.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25889528

The result is:
11003

Graphics Score: 12500 (50-59 fps)
Physics Score: 15500 (49 fps)
Combined Score: 4500 (20 fps)

Is this a fine score? Or has the card some issues?

According to 3dMark it was alright.

I just want to be sure that I paid for a fully working Geforce GTX 1060 6gb card, since the prices are so high at the moment :D


[EDIT]:
Oh boy your GTX 1080 has a 35k+ Score O.O


@Prbtt

Originally posted by Prbtt:

Check your ram speeds. Check gpu-z and post screenshot here. Try overclocking your gpu. Try overclocking your cpu.

You mean this here? http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/18/03/31/hkn.png

About overclocking, I'm not sure if I should do that since I literally have 0 knowledge in these things. I'm already proud for assembling the PC myself for the first time & I heard you can do a lot wrong with Overclocking if you don't know what you do.

[ugafan]

have you downloaded the lasted nvidia drivers?

go ahead and run unigine superposition. then you can go to this link and do a search for 1060 to compare your scores.

https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.0/1080p-extreme/single-gpu/page-1

[vadim]

Do not worry about benchmarks. You will have lower scores than others who have more powerful gaming CPUs like i7-4790k. But this doesn't matter. It's a pity you bought so slow RAM, but FPS loss because of this should be fairly modest. In general, you have decent mid-level gaming rig.
And you have staight upgrade path if it will not suit your needs.

[Kirami]

Originally posted by ugafan:

have you downloaded the lasted nvidia drivers?

go ahead and run unigine superposition. then you can go to this link and do a search for 1060 to compare your scores.

https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.0/1080p-extreme/single-gpu/page-1

Thanks! I will give it a try, I only tested Heaven before (1500 Score). My poor PC must be so confused getting bombed with all this Benchmark tests :D


My Nvidia drivers are up to date 👍

Originally posted by vadim:

Do not worry about benchmarks. You will have lower scores than others who have more powerful gaming CPUs like i7-4790k. But this doesn't matter. It's a pity you bought so slow RAM, but FPS loss because of this should be fairly modest. In general, you have decent mid-level gaming rig.
And you have staight upgrade path if it will not suit your needs.

Thank you, thats encouraging!

I followed this german guide to build my PC: https://www.hardwaredealz.com/bester-gaming-pc-fuer-unter-1000-euro-gamer-pc-bis-1000-euro/

And I didnt even realized that he was saving costs on the RAM parts of the whole build.
I think once the prices for RAM normalize again, I will buy some with higher MHz.

Overall the most important thing for me is that Sony Vegas 13 runs smooth & renders as fast as possible, since it's part of my job to work with it.

[Monk]

Yeah your score sits pretty much in the ball park I thought it would,little on the lower end, but it's a great place to start from.

It is honestly very hard to damage your system with overclocking, as in to prove this I have set my voltage to my 7900X at 5v enough to instantly fry it to prove to a friend nothing would happen and it simply won't boot so you can turn it back down safely (still best not to do this, despite knowing it would be safe, it still made me feel a bit queezy doing so lol).

I'll be honest I am unsure the safe voltage range on a ryzen 5 1600, so won't give any suggestions on overclocking that, as unless I've done it personally, I don't want to say X is safe, but you should be able to get your CPU upto 3.8-4GHz pretty easily for a nice performance boost.
As for the RAM, Make sure you enabled the XMP / AMP profile in your bios so it's running at its proper stated speed.

For the GPU on the other hand, you have alot if headroom, depending on exact model (for cooling and noise) you should be able to get your boost clock to over 2100MHz.

Note everyone has their favourite way to overclock, this is simply the fast and easiest approach I've found to get a good starting point before really tweaking for the final few %ages of performance.

To do so (I really need to write a copy and paste overclocking the easy way guide to save re-editing this heh) download MSI afterburner.

Then, with heaven running in the background on a loop while windowed, turn up the power and temperature limits to the max along with enabling voltage control in the options, turn that to max also.

None of that will cause any harm, the cards cannot use anywhere near enough power to cause harm, I've even short circuited the power shunts on my 1080ti cards to allow them to pull extra voltage and it's still safe.

With that all sorted, now comes the fun part.

Always overclock the core clock and memory separately, so you know which caused an issue, we'll start with the core clock.

With heaven running in a loop, increase the core clock 10MHz at a time and let it run the loop through, if it shows no issues, increase the clock 10MHz at a time until it won't complete or has any issues, at which point, pull it back 10MHz, you've now got your core overclocked.

To save time, you can probably start the process at +120MHz as I would be amazed if you can't hit atleast 2000MHz, 2100-2200+ is more likely.

Next we move into the VRAM, you'll be looking at a far higher increase here so go up in 50MHz jumps, but as before at each increase let heaven run a loop before upping the speeds, at the first sign of stutter, artifacting or a crash, pull the speed back by 25MHz and try again, if it still does it drop it a further 25MGz and that should be your memory done.

Now move onto more detailed testing, run firestrike on a fresh boot, making sure to enable the overclock on boot from afterburner and if it passes without issues, try some games and link the results page.

Good luck and feel free to ask for any more advice or help.

As a note, yeah, my score is a little on the high side, was more there as an example of bottlenecking and an extreme example of overclocking, plus, I feel people are a bit happier taking advice on overclocking from someone who goes to the extreme and can back up they know what they are talking about, it's one thing to say something,it's another to put your own money on the line to back it up and I guarantee I wouldn't risk £6k if overclocking was actually dangerous.

[Kirami]

Originally posted by Monk:

Yeah your score sits pretty much in the ball park I thought it would,little on the lower end, but it's a great place to start from.

It is honestly very hard to damage your system with overclocking, as in to prove this I have set my voltage to my 7900X at 5v enough to instantly fry it to prove to a friend nothing would happen and it simply won't boot so you can turn it back down safely (still best not to do this, despite knowing it would be safe, it still made me feel a bit queezy doing so lol).

I'll be honest I am unsure the safe voltage range on a ryzen 5 1600, so won't give any suggestions on overclocking that, as unless I've done it personally, I don't want to say X is safe, but you should be able to get your CPU upto 3.8-4GHz pretty easily for a nice performance boost.
As for the RAM, Make sure you enabled the XMP / AMP profile in your bios so it's running at its proper stated speed.

For the GPU on the other hand, you have alot if headroom, depending on exact model (for cooling and noise) you should be able to get your boost clock to over 2100MHz.

Note everyone has their favourite way to overclock, this is simply the fast and easiest approach I've found to get a good starting point before really tweaking for the final few %ages of performance.

To do so (I really need to write a copy and paste overclocking the easy way guide to save re-editing this heh) download MSI afterburner.

Then, with heaven running in the background on a loop while windowed, turn up the power and temperature limits to the max along with enabling voltage control in the options, turn that to max also.

None of that will cause any harm, the cards cannot use anywhere near enough power to cause harm, I've even short circuited the power shunts on my 1080ti cards to allow them to pull extra voltage and it's still safe.

With that all sorted, now comes the fun part.

Always overclock the core clock and memory separately, so you know which caused an issue, we'll start with the core clock.

With heaven running in a loop, increase the core clock 10MHz at a time and let it run the loop through, if it shows no issues, increase the clock 10MHz at a time until it won't complete or has any issues, at which point, pull it back 10MHz, you've now got your core overclocked.

To save time, you can probably start the process at +120MHz as I would be amazed if you can't hit atleast 2000MHz, 2100-2200+ is more likely.

Next we move into the VRAM, you'll be looking at a far higher increase here so go up in 50MHz jumps, but as before at each increase let heaven run a loop before upping the speeds, at the first sign of stutter, artifacting or a crash, pull the speed back by 25MHz and try again, if it still does it drop it a further 25MGz and that should be your memory done.

Now move onto more detailed testing, run firestrike on a fresh boot, making sure to enable the overclock on boot from afterburner and if it passes without issues, try some games and link the results page.

Good luck and feel free to ask for any more advice or help.

As a note, yeah, my score is a little on the high side, was more there as an example of bottlenecking and an extreme example of overclocking, plus, I feel people are a bit happier taking advice on overclocking from someone who goes to the extreme and can back up they know what they are talking about, it's one thing to say something,it's another to put your own money on the line to back it up and I guarantee I wouldn't risk £6k if overclocking was actually dangerous.

Wow man, thanks for the detailed instructions!

I will definitely try this out. Though I will need to read some more guides before doing so.

To be honest I never even updated any BIOS in my life. And a couple days ago was actually the first time I booted the BIOS.

Back then I just bought any PC and used it for years without the need of any tweaks in the BIOS.

Today was the first time I even ran a Benchmark test in my life lol.

I will google some more things and use your guide as a base. If I have a questions I will ask you.

I'm not sure if I do it this weekend anymore though.


But really man, thanks!
I learned a lot in our little chat. I'm not someone who uses forums very often but I am really suprised what quality help I got from you and the other guys. 👍



EDIT:

What mostly concerns me is the voltage and the fan control.

I really have no clue what to do about these 2 things, how to tweak them. What numbers I need etc.

I don't want to damage anything over time because something maybe isn't cooled correctly or because I use a wrong amount of voltage.

I'm not even sure if I can control all of my fans, since 1 of the 2 front fans has no place to be connected to the motherboard.

I will download afterburner already though, and see how it works first.

[Monk]

I won't comment on your CPU, as I've not done it myself, but as I said, worse case, it won't boot and you turn it down.

For the GPU the cards basic fan curve should ramp up with the temperature, though if you wish to customise it or run it at max at the expense of volume to keep things cooler, you can do so in MSI afterburner as well.

Everyone's guide to hope to overclock will differ slightly, some take a more slow and detailed approach, others faster, I find my way the quickest and easiest to get to reliable overclock with out taking days, once you know your individual silicon's limit, that is when you can begin to fine tune, as no two cards or CPU's are exactly the same, I've had 7 1080ti's all of them reached different clocks at different offsets, my current pair one us at +140 the other only +80 to achieve the same 2088 max boost with an operational clock of 2076MHz, this was with sequentially numbered pairs of cards (I had numbers 11/12, 15/16, 20/21 and 23), the closest matching silicon I've ever seen us my old 980's with both cards hitting the exact same frequency at the exact same increaes, so don't worry if you don't get the same numbers as someone else, it's all down to silicon lottery at the end of the day.

Edit.

For fan headers you can use splitters or a fan controller, a powered splitter (usually with 6 headers) would be the best option so as to not drop the fans speed by splitting the power.

[[☥] - CJ -]

Dont bother with Voltage unless you know what you're doing.

For the fans, generally speaking 3pin fans can only be controlled via a fan controller, otherwise its the 4pin fans that by default can be controlled via the motherboard.

This is my results for the benchmark http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8079811 compared to yours http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8077000

It basically comes down to how your PC is configured, but both my CPU/GPU and RAM are OC'd, so thats possibly where one of the differences comes from.
-

All in all, dont use graphic settings that go beyond a GTX 1060's capabilities.
And theres also the possibility that some apps/games may not like Ryzens.

[Monk]

Voltage for CPU's is safe to increase up to a certain point, a Google search will find that limit, just stay under it, on the GPU, you cannot hurt a 10 series card turning the voltage up in MSI afterburner, you would need to alter the bios to override a bunch of safety limits to even come close to causing harm.

Also, the CPU will simply not boot if you accidentally put in to high if a voltage causing g no harm, the only potential harm us from running the chip very hit for years beyond what is seen as a safe limit, even then, your talking maybe dropping the life span if the chip to a point still way beyond its operational usefulness.

A bit of a search has shown that the CPU tjmax for temps is 95c so anything below that is safe, but sub 80 is best with AND suggesting the same max voltage as Intel at 1.35v, however just like Intel you are safe to around 1.45v but keep it below 1.35v to be on the safe side.

So overclocking the CPU will be the same as an Intel chip basically, increase the multiplier 1 at a time until it fails to boot and run a benchmark, then increase the voltage SLOWLY at 0.05v at a time to stabilise until your temps go beyond the mid 80's or it isn't stable, at which point, pull it back a notch.

If anything goes wrong you can reset to defaults, personally I set voltage to max, so 1.35v here and raise the clock until I find its limit, at which point I begin lowering g the voltage until it's no longer stable then increase it one notch more, so, as an example, I might reach 39 multiplier (for 3.9GHz) at 1.35v, I would then !Ower the volts until it wouldn't boot, let's ball park and totally random guess 1.27v at this point I would bump the volts back to 1.28v where I know it previously ran safely and cleanly.

Voltage is nothing to be afraid of, the chips won't let you fry them, they have many safeties built in to stop that.