i5 8600k vs i7 7700k for Team Fortress 2?

[ro0o]

Im going to be upgrading my computer towards the end of the summer and I cannot come to conclusion of which of the two processors will be better for playing Team Fortress 2 at high refresh rate. TF2 is a very old game, that may seem easy to run, however, over the years of countless updates the game's optimization has gone down the toilet and even very powerful machines struggle to keep stable 144 fps.
I wont be overclocking due to my case's bad airflow and poor compatibility for high end coolers. I will purchase b250 and b360 board respectively so both will cost me approximately the same.
i7 7700k has higher clockspeed, which in theory should give it better single core and thus slightly better performance, however it also has hyperthreading, which has been proved to hurt performance in older source games so both of these seem pretty even to me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

My current build
i5 4460
12 gb 1333mhz ram
gtx 1060 6bg

[Malygos]

8600k id still overclock some 8600k overclocks really well you could do a mild one maybe 4.5ghz and be fine

Edit with b series you wont be able too id go with the a z board but thats just me

[ro0o]

Originally posted by jefedemuchanina:

8600k id still overclock some 8600k overclocks really well you could do a mild one maybe 4.5ghz and be fine

My case is Thermaltake MS-I Commander, it supports only a select amount of air coolers and 120mm radiators, which will not be enough, especially for a hot chip like i5 8600k. Besides I am trying to cut costs by purchasing a cheaper motherboard. Thank you for your reply :)

[Malygos]

Originally posted by foolish pride:

Originally posted by jefedemuchanina:

8600k id still overclock some 8600k overclocks really well you could do a mild one maybe 4.5ghz and be fine

My case is Thermaltake MS-I Commander, it supports only a select amount of air coolers and 120mm radiators, which will not be enough, especially for a hot chip like i5 8600k. Besides I am trying to cut costs by purchasing a cheaper motherboard. Thank you for your reply :)

Fry's has 8600k for $219 right now you can get a noctua cpu cooler for pretty cheap and they cool really well

[tacoshy]

higher clock rate doesnt mean higher single core perrformance. Unelss you have the same architecture you cant even compare the clockrate as the IPC matters not the clock.

Hyperthreading has no performance issues, besides that you can simple deactive HT in BIOS.
If you have no case or rescources to OC then there is no reason to go for n i5-8600K. cheaper i5's would do the same trick for much cheaper (something like the 8400).


PS: Even with updates TF2 is no where clsoe to need a 7700K nor an 8600K to maintain high fps (above144Hz). I rather would start looking into the settings why you dont achieve those. Can also ahve soemthing to do with temperatures if you have such a abd acse and airflow.

[ro0o]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

higher clock rate doesnt mean higher single core perrformance. Unelss you have the same architecture you cant even compare the clockrate as the IPC matters not the clock.

Hyperthreading has no performance issues, besides that you can simple deactive HT in BIOS.
If you have no case or rescources to OC then there is no reason to go for n i5-8600K. cheaper i5's would do the same trick for much cheaper (something like the 8400).


PS: Even with updates TF2 is no where clsoe to need a 7700K nor an 8600K to maintain high fps (above144Hz). I rather would start looking into the settings why you dont achieve those. Can also ahve soemthing to do with temperatures if you have such a abd acse and airflow.

It's true that single core performance cannot be determined by clockspeed alone, however in case of Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake, which have very similar lithography (14nm) , clockspeeds do give you a decent idea of what the single core performance is going to be like.
Hyperthreading does have a negative impact on fps in both CS:GO and TF2, which has been proven many times before. It is true that I could just disable SMT in BIOS but Im just too lazy to do that.
My temperatures are fine and I do play at mostly low settings using a modified fps configuration. There are tons of videos on Youtube that show people dropping to 90 fps on even a high end system, during an intense 9v9 firefight.

[Mossy Snake]

I can achieve a stable 300fps with a Ryzen 1600X in TF2, so I think there's something wrong with your PC since a 4460 should have similar FPS.

Here's a fun fact that may help: Upping the texture settings actually improves FPS, as the lower-quality textures are less optimized.

Originally posted by foolish pride:

Originally posted by tacoshy:

higher clock rate doesnt mean higher single core perrformance. Unelss you have the same architecture you cant even compare the clockrate as the IPC matters not the clock.

Hyperthreading has no performance issues, besides that you can simple deactive HT in BIOS.
If you have no case or rescources to OC then there is no reason to go for n i5-8600K. cheaper i5's would do the same trick for much cheaper (something like the 8400).


PS: Even with updates TF2 is no where clsoe to need a 7700K nor an 8600K to maintain high fps (above144Hz). I rather would start looking into the settings why you dont achieve those. Can also ahve soemthing to do with temperatures if you have such a abd acse and airflow.

It's true that single core performance cannot be determined by clockspeed alone, however in case of Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake, which have very similar lithography (14nm) , clockspeeds do give you a decent idea of what the single core performance is going to be like.
Hyperthreading does have a negative impact on fps in both CS:GO and TF2, which has been proven many times before. It is true that I could just disable SMT in BIOS but Im just too lazy to do that.
My temperatures are fine and I do play at mostly low settings using a modified fps configuration. There are tons of videos on Youtube that show people dropping to 90 fps on even a high end system, during an intense 9v9 firefight.

HT does not hurt performance in TF2. I get better performance with it on than off.

Maybe that was true in the past, but it's not true anymore.

[Double Deez Nuts]

A literal pentium can run TF2. This isn't even a question

[ro0o]

Originally posted by MossyRathalos:

I can achieve a stable 300fps with a Ryzen 1600X in TF2, so I think there's something wrong with your PC since a 4460 should have similar FPS.

Here's a fun fact that may help: Upping the texture settings actually improves FPS, as the lower-quality textures are less optimized.

Im aware of the performance increase with textures thank you! I strongly doubt, that you get stable 300 fps in tf2, as i7 6700k tends to hover around 180-260, which can go to 120-140 during an intensive firefight. A video of you having stable 300 fps would be pretty cool. Other than that, my pc is working fine and I am getting 90-150 fps at all times, which isnt that bad. http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8202099

Originally posted by 🌋↪ToƦcH↩🌋:

A literal pentium can run TF2. This isn't even a question

Your reply is naive at best and does not contribute to this thread in any way. Thank you

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by foolish pride:

Originally posted by MossyRathalos:

I can achieve a stable 300fps with a Ryzen 1600X in TF2, so I think there's something wrong with your PC since a 4460 should have similar FPS.

Here's a fun fact that may help: Upping the texture settings actually improves FPS, as the lower-quality textures are less optimized.

Im aware of the performance increase with textures thank you! I strongly doubt, that you get stable 300 fps in tf2, as i7 6700k tends to hover around 180-260, which can go to 120-140 during an intensive firefight. A video of you having stable 300 fps would be pretty cool. Other than that, my pc is working fine and I am getting 90-150 fps at all times, which isnt that bad. http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8202099

you imporve with higher detail and resolution your performance as it gets then from being CPU ehavy to GPU heavy and then can actually start to play out your GPU...

an i7-6700K can run easily 100fps+ on the integrated graphic is 1080p so 300fps with a GPU is really not a big deal. Like everybody mentioned it is not a problem with your hardware specs but rather your settings and your PC.

[ro0o]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

Originally posted by foolish pride:

Im aware of the performance increase with textures thank you! I strongly doubt, that you get stable 300 fps in tf2, as i7 6700k tends to hover around 180-260, which can go to 120-140 during an intensive firefight. A video of you having stable 300 fps would be pretty cool. Other than that, my pc is working fine and I am getting 90-150 fps at all times, which isnt that bad. http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8202099

you imporve with higher detail and resolution your performance as it gets then from being CPU ehavy to GPU heavy and then can actually start to play out your GPU...

an i7-6700K can run easily 100fps+ on the integrated graphic is 1080p so 300fps with a GPU is really not a big deal. Like everybody mentioned it is not a problem with your hardware specs but rather your settings and your PC.

I never said there was any problem with my hardware/pc, in fact I am very satified with my performance. Once again, no Intel HD 620 will not give you 100fps at 1080p in any game.

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by foolish pride:

Originally posted by tacoshy:

you imporve with higher detail and resolution your performance as it gets then from being CPU ehavy to GPU heavy and then can actually start to play out your GPU...

an i7-6700K can run easily 100fps+ on the integrated graphic is 1080p so 300fps with a GPU is really not a big deal. Like everybody mentioned it is not a problem with your hardware specs but rather your settings and your PC.

I never said there was any problem with my hardware/pc, in fact I am very satified with my performance. Once again, no Intel HD 620 will not give you 100fps at 1080p in any game.

I tried already alread to play with an Intel 630 on a 770K and id did its job just fine. Same for the Intel HD 530. Even games like the new Doom which is an AAA title can be played with stable 30 fps on the Intel HD 630 of the Pentium G4560...

But hyou asked a question. Multiple eprson that even tried this say they reach way betetr performance. So instead of excusing everybody of lying you should consider the fact that it is your PC that doesnt deliver the eprformance it should.

[ro0o]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

Originally posted by foolish pride:

I never said there was any problem with my hardware/pc, in fact I am very satified with my performance. Once again, no Intel HD 620 will not give you 100fps at 1080p in any game.

I tried already alread to play with an Intel 630 on a 770K and id did its job just fine. Same for the Intel HD 530. Even games like the new Doom which is an AAA title can be played with stable 30 fps on the Intel HD 630 of the Pentium G4560...

But hyou asked a question. Multiple eprson that even tried this say they reach way betetr performance. So instead of excusing everybody of lying you should consider the fact that it is your PC that doesnt deliver the eprformance it should.

1. Ich habe nie behauptet, dass jmnd lügt
2. Ich habe grade gesehen dass du Team Fortress 2 auf deinen Account nicht mal hast, während ich schon ein recht erfahrener Spieler mit mehr als 2000 Stunden bin. Daher glaube ich, dass ich mich mit TF2 schon bisschen besser auskenne. Es stimmt schon, dass das Spiel mal auf PC's mit 512 mb ram ging, doch die Tage sind schon längst vorbei ;)
3. Ich bin mir absolut 100% sicher, dass mein PC genauso funktioniert wie es soll. Du kannst mit glauben, dass Team Fortress 2 einfach nur an sich schlecht optimisiert ist, was dazu führt, dass das Spiel etwas schlechter läuft als es eigentlich soll.

Hier sind ein Paar "Benchmark" Videos, damit du eine vorstellung davon kriegen kannst wie schlecht das Spiel laufen kann.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9ng5cHOyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNVnClM-CY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcQyNjmjLb4&t=136s

Sorry falls ich ein Paar Fehler gemacht habe, Deutsch ist nämlich nicht meine Muttersprache :)

[tacoshy]

First I dont have just 1 account. Second I'm not the only one staking this information. And 3rd I build PC's for a sidejob and benching them with agmes like TF2, R6S and CSGO for customer regularily. So I believe I'm qualified to stake such things as good as everybody else here that plays the game and know that they can maintain those FPS.


But if you really think only a new CPu will solve your issues go with an i5-8600K as it is stronger then a 7700K. Even the i5-8400 beats a stock 7700K most of the time...

But there plenty YT vids that also proves right the differnce then your vids...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxP_kHRgs2M

most of the time 200fps with a few fps drops to 140 with an older and weaker CPu (i5-2500) and a GTX 1050 Ti which is also much weaker (1060 6GB is about 80% faster).


So no I dont believe you that your PC is perfectly fine...

[ro0o]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

First I dont have just 1 account. Second I'm not the only one staking this information. And 3rd I build PC's for a sidejob and benching them with agmes like TF2, R6S and CSGO for customer regularily. So I believe I'm qualified to stake such things as good as everybody else here that plays the game and know that they can maintain those FPS.


But if you really think only a new CPu will solve your issues go with an i5-8600K as it is stronger then a 7700K. Even the i5-8400 beats a stock 7700K most of the time...

But there plenty YT vids that also proves right the differnce then your vids...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxP_kHRgs2M

most of the time 200fps with a few fps drops to 140 with an older and weaker CPu (i5-2500) and a GTX 1050 Ti which is also much weaker (1060 6GB is about 80% faster).


So no I dont believe you that your PC is perfectly fine...

Thank you for the video :). The player's fps is so high because he stays indoors for the majority of the gameplay, which significantlly reduces the amount of stuff the processor has to render. However at 0:31 it can be clearly seen, that as soon as the player looks outisde, which increases the amount of stuff needed to render, his fps instantly drops to 60-70, which is not something I would like to see. You could be right about my computer not working to its full potential, however UserBenchmark proves you wrong here http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8202099.

[tacoshy]

what does a user benchmark prove? YOu know espacially with agmes there is more to it and espacilly with stuff that actually requires high ammount of RAM where you really fail at this benchmark. User benchmark is good to compare the specs but nothing close to see if they actually work to their right potencial.

My GPU reaches 99th percintile but I know that my GPU is weak to what it actually should deliver. I barely can maintain 1900MHz while all others easily reach 2050MHz+ adding a lot to the GPU.

How do I still get such good benchmark results? Simply because most ppl bench their prebuilds or their foudner edition while the ppl that really know what they do and get the best eprformance out of it avoid user benchmark and therefor are not rated there.