So Intel finally decided to expand there Coffee Lake support

[SnarkySinner]

I saw the news that Intel and it's partner motherboard makers are releasing B360, H310 and H370 motherboards for Coffee Lake CPUs which obviously gives a cheaper option to people who don't wish to overclock and run stuff at stock speeds.

Definitely makes me happy as i can finally consider a Coffee Lake CPU as a future upgrade unless of course there's something better out by the time I decide to upgrade.

But i am curious as to what made them decide to finally release lower end stuff for Coffee Lake as before I know there was only Z370 boards out.

[Omega]

These motherboards are released so much later because Coffee Lake had a rushed launch to Counter AMDs Ryzen CPUs. These chipsets were not ready yet for release until now.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 Omega：

These motherboards are released so much later because Coffee Lake had a rushed launch to Counter AMDs Ryzen CPUs. These chipsets were not ready yet for release until now.

Really? Coffee Lake was a rushed launch?! I didn't know that.
Oh boy so Intel is actually afraid that AMD might finally take over some of the market with their Ryzen CPUs?

[John Doe]

Yes, and they did a little on the high core CPU end in the workstation market. Skylake-X platfom has issues like overheating, some lack of PCI-E lanes unless you shell out for the 7900X and they're expensive. Surely they perform better but AMD has much superior motherboard functionality with insane 64 PCI-E lanes and countless I/O like 25 USB / 15 fan headers etc on their high end HEDT platform.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 John Doe：

Yes, and they did a little on the high core CPU end in the workstation market. Skylake-X platfom has issues like overheating, some lack of PCI-E lanes unless you shell out for the 7900X and they're expensive. Surely they perform better but AMD has much superior motherboard functionality with insane 64 PCI-E lanes and countless I/O like 25 USB / 15 fan headers etc on their high end HEDT platform.

Okay do you mind explaining a little more on the part of AMD CPUs and their motherboard as I have no idea what HEDT platform is. So are you saying that AMD is the future and not intel?

Also nope there's no way I'm shelling out for a 7900X as that is an expensive CPU and I'm more like mid level type of person in terms of PC parts.

[[LTT] LinusFTW]

Looking at your specs on your profile it would make more sense just to upgrade your CPU and RAM.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 LTT LinusFTW：

Looking at your specs on your profile it would make more sense just to upgrade your CPU and RAM.

RAM is already upgraded to 16GB and running it on X.M.P profile #1 @ 1600Mhz can't go any higher than that as motherboard doesn't support it.

CPU i could upgrade it but i can only go up to Kaby Lake CPU.

and i'm only staying on my current platform a few more years before I totally change everything as DDR3 almost nobody supports it anymore.

Vendors have discountinued selling DDR3 motherboards.

[[LTT] LinusFTW]

引用自 zombicorps：

引用自 LTT LinusFTW：

Looking at your specs on your profile it would make more sense just to upgrade your CPU and RAM.

RAM is already upgraded to 16GB and running it on X.M.P profile #1 @ 1600Mhz can't go any higher than that as motherboard doesn't support it.

CPU i could upgrade it but i can only go up to Kaby Lake CPU.

Yeah you didn't choose a great motherboard, you should have got one that supported DDR4.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 LTT LinusFTW：

引用自 zombicorps：

RAM is already upgraded to 16GB and running it on X.M.P profile #1 @ 1600Mhz can't go any higher than that as motherboard doesn't support it.

CPU i could upgrade it but i can only go up to Kaby Lake CPU.

Yeah you didn't choose a great motherboard, you should have got one that supported DDR4.

I got this PC back in 2016 and only had $850 to spend at the time when building it.
Hence why I'm running DDR3 and not DDR4, I'm still a newbie to PC building so I didn't realize that getting DDR4 would've been a better choice but would have costed me more and I desperately needed to replace my PC as my laptop was dying.

[[LTT] LinusFTW]

引用自 zombicorps：

引用自 LTT LinusFTW：

Yeah you didn't choose a great motherboard, you should have got one that supported DDR4.

I got this PC back in 2016 and only had $850 to spend at the time when building it.
Hence why I'm running DDR3 and not DDR4, I'm still a newbie to PC building so I didn't realize that getting DDR4 would've been a better choice but would have costed me more and I desperately needed to replace my PC as my laptop was dying.

I think you created your own problem here, in the future it does look like moving to a new platform would be the most logical thing to do.

[igloosfolly]

Pretty sad really Intel could have released the chips on the existing platform. But NO one more time for the money grab. Several articles pointed out that the motherboard manufactors could have just added a BIOS update. But then Intel couldnt screw over the peeps just one more time. Hey Intel makes money and the Motherboard guys get to sell you the same damn product with a new name. I am too lazy right now to search for a link so Google it. A mockery of a sham when your blood flows blue.

[InfinityJosh]

I have a B85G43 MB, these where cheap MB, Z370 where more expensive.
Let's see now how much prices will decrease, for under $200 you can buy a i3 8100+MB which is a deal considering it has 7th gen i5 performance while being cheaper.
AMD has the RYZEN 3 2200G which is still good and with slightly better iGPU and can be purchased with MB for under $200 too.
Definitely these 2 CPUs are the new reference in budget gaming builds.
Pentium is surpassed nowadays.

[John Doe]

引用自 zombicorps：

引用自 John Doe：

Yes, and they did a little on the high core CPU end in the workstation market. Skylake-X platfom has issues like overheating, some lack of PCI-E lanes unless you shell out for the 7900X and they're expensive. Surely they perform better but AMD has much superior motherboard functionality with insane 64 PCI-E lanes and countless I/O like 25 USB / 15 fan headers etc on their high end HEDT platform.

Okay do you mind explaining a little more on the part of AMD CPUs and their motherboard as I have no idea what HEDT platform is. So are you saying that AMD is the future and not intel?

Also nope there's no way I'm shelling out for a 7900X as that is an expensive CPU and I'm more like mid level type of person in terms of PC parts.

HEDT means enthuasiest platform, the big CPUs like Threadripper and i9s. I'm not saying AMD is the future and not Intel. You could go both ways.

AMD offers more as far as the "motherboard specs" go when it comes to HEDT (Threadripper vs Skylake-X). Their chips also have solder between the CPU and its integrated heatspreader, so they don't overheat as much. That's about it.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 John Doe：

引用自 zombicorps：

Okay do you mind explaining a little more on the part of AMD CPUs and their motherboard as I have no idea what HEDT platform is. So are you saying that AMD is the future and not intel?

Also nope there's no way I'm shelling out for a 7900X as that is an expensive CPU and I'm more like mid level type of person in terms of PC parts.

HEDT means enthuasiest platform, the big CPUs like Threadripper and i9s. I'm not saying AMD is the future and not Intel. You could go both ways.

AMD offers more as far as the "motherboard specs" go when it comes to HEDT (Threadripper vs Skylake-X). Their chips also have solder between the CPU and its integrated heatspreader, so they don't overheat as much. That's about it.

Ah okay. Makes more sense now.
So between AMD and Intel what would be the best entry/mid level platform choice to go for in the future, holding off doing any upgrades till prices on RAM fall because they are ridiculous currently.

[John Doe]

You could get one of the Ryzen refresh CPUs or an Intel 8400 or something, Intels perform slightly better on the gaming performance front.

[SnarkySinner]

引用自 John Doe：

You could get one of the Ryzen refresh CPUs or an Intel 8400 or something, Intels perform slightly better on the gaming performance front.

Ah okay, but what about in terms of motherboards preferably non-overclockable choices as I run stuff stock speeds. But worries me to hear that new Intel stuff over heats and etc.