Should i get 60hz or 144hz monitor?

[rbnkrst/]

I’m a casual/average gamer. Play CS:GO, dota , PUBG , fifa, etc .
Is it fine just to get the 60hz? Or 144hz is neccesary for me? Is there a seriously big changes there?

Thanks a lot for your help , thank you

[Monk]

EliteGamer eredeti hozzászólása:

LOL Monk - Well, only people with healthy eyes can detect high refresh rates. :coolness:

well, science kind of dictates that the higher a refresh rate gets the smaller the difference becomes, as such it becomes harder and harder to tell the difference, a 60Hz panel puts out a new image every 16.6ms, at 100Hz that drops to 10ms, 120Hz its 8.33ms, 144 drops it to 6.94ms, 165Hz is 6.06ms, 180Hz is 5.55ms and the 240Hz panels need only 4.1ms to draw a new frame.

as you can see there is serious diminishing returns, and our ability to tell the difference between the refresh rate at the upper regions becomes far harder to notice, also, note how the initial increase in Hz from 60 to 100 or 120 has a far greater impact on refresh rates than any further.

i am not saying you cannot see any higher, i am simply stating that the impact of the inital increase from 60-100 has a HUGE impact, where as further increases while they do smooth things out, and are without a doubt , better, they just are not as noticeable as the inital increases, as the improvement happens on a scale that frankly, our brains cannot comprehend, which is why in a blind test, i would bet good money that no one could reliably tell the difference between 165Hz and 180Hz in regular game play.

[Monk]

No science doesn't say you can't see faster than 30fps, hell, we don't even see in FPS.
At this point I think you are likely trolling, it is literally impossible to see more of a difference from 160 to 180 than from 60 to 100 outside of a placebo effect, you cannot see as much of a difference as there isn't as much to actually see, so you cannot see what is not there.

[EliteGamer]

How does that make me a troll because I can see a difference between 160hz and 180hz? You jealous because I've got good eyesight?

The problem with you is you always think you're right and you don't like it if somebody has better tech than you. 180hz is better than 160hz and 4K is better than 1440p. Deal with it.

[Monk]

Again, I never said you can't see it, I explained why the difference CANNOT be more noticeable, I couldn't care less if someone has better tech than me, right now 4k isnt worth being stuck at 60fps.
When the hardware arrives to push the upcoming high refresh 4k screens I'll likely move to 4k, until then, 1440p high refresh is the best option for gaming overall.

Also eyesight has nothing to do with perceiving a higher refresh rate.

It makes you a troll because you ignore evidence and facts and claim random stuff,if you think you can detect a 1ms faster response time easier than a 6ms change, I think you have an issue with your eyes or you are simply suffering from a placebo effect.

[EliteGamer]

There's hardly any difference between 60 fps and 100fps, and 1440p at 80- 100 fps isn't high refresh rate gaming. High refresh gaming is 144 and above. If you game at 1440p at 80-100 fps, then you're no smoother than me at 4K 60 fps, at least not game changing anyways. But my 4K resolution sure as hell looks much nicer than your 1440p, so my gaming looks "better" You seem to forget you're talking to somebody who has both. You can't win this argument because I have both resolution and refresh rate and better in both areas than you....

You haven't gave any evidence or facts, just your opinion which bores me to be honest.

I think the only troll here is you always arguing everyday on these forums. Anybody who says anything that you don't agree with, you attack them. Seriously, you need to go outside and get some fresh air.

[Monk]

I gave the difference in refresh rates in milliseconds, those are facts, I also have a 4k screen and a 1440p screen, you aren't running g all games maxed out at4k 60fps with a single 1080ti anyway, I have never said I play at 80-100fps, I have claimed (and the maths backs me up) that the biggest gain in smoother game play us that first jump (cutting the refresh rate from16.6ms to 10ms is a huge gain as opposed to the 1 or 2 ms found at higher refresh rates which is far harder to notice.

Perhaps you need to read and understand what I am saying before dismissing it ?
I assure you, any FPS you can achieve I can get considerably higher than, so this idea I am only playing at low refresh is kind of laughable, given you would be worse.

Edit.
I don't attack people, I will argue a point and use evidence and facts to ensure that false information isn't spread on a tech forum where people come to get help and the wrong information can be detrimental and cost people their hard earned cash.

[EliteGamer]

See what I mean. You're trolling. You're putting words into my mouth that I've never said. Where did I say I get 69fps max at 4K in my all games????? Well? Show me in black and white where I said that.

Yeah you did say you get 80-100 fps on another thread, you're just covering your tracks to try and look right.

You don't have a 4K monitor. You proved this a few months ago when you couldn't provide evidence of it. Everybody has a camera these days.

LOL it's hard keeping track with you because of all the lies you tell and keep going from subject to subject.

98% of games don't even support SLI, so no you can't get higher. My screenshots prove my setup is more powerful. Things like a proper dedicated internal soundcard also give alot of fps advantage too.

Well, I don't believe you have SLI 1080 Ti's. You got no evidence of those GPUs, just boxes . The only GPU I see is a weak ass AMD pos which explains your low FPS. You can't expect to lie and get away with it with me. You put those empty boxes up after I exposed you for not having any pictures up. Funny how you show the GPU of the AMD GPU, but not the 1080 Ti's... haha exposed.

[Monk]

I have a 4k TV, works just as well for seeing how things run as a monitor. How much more evidence of my system do you need beyond all of the photos and benchmark results in my artwork? You literally just said you get 4k 60fps, and when talking about the best looks, that is surely at max settings, else it's kind of pointless as Res cannot make up for graphical effects.

Yes some games I'll get 80-100fps, in said games like kingdom come deliverence that's about as high as you can get.

I have no need to lie about anything.
Note I said screen, not monitor.
Everything I said about refresh rates I backed up with the maths behind it.
The pic of all the 1080ti boxes with my old 980 box's is like a year old nearly.
There's a pic of the Vega 64 as it was part of a joke.
I don't think I have any pics of my GPU's without the waterblocks on them ... The ones that say 1080ti on them that is ...

This seems to if gone way off topic, I provided evidence to back up my statement while you have thrown a tantrum with nothing but heresay to back it up, which goes against maths and biology at the same time.

[EliteGamer]

OMG!!! Are you saying a 4K TV is the same as a 4K G-SYNC monitor? You've got no experience with my monitor, you just basing your opinion of a 4K TV LOL. Thanks for proving me right!!! I knew I was right. Just a 4K hater. 4K gaming on a TV with high input lag and no G-SYNC isn't the same as a monitor. Gaming at 4K with 4K G-SYNC monitor is a night and day difference compared to a 4K TV.

Paper numbers is just that..... paper numbers. It's not facts or evidence of any sort and wouldn't stand up in court. I'm talking about reality and the fact every human has different eyesight. Some people can't detect the difference between 60hz and 144hz. Some blessed people can see the difference between 165hz and 180hz. If you can't see more than 100hz, that's fine, but don't call me a liar and say that I can't see the difference between 160hz and 180hz when I can.

Yeah, it was you AGAIN!!! who took it off topic like you ruin every thread you enter. No matter what evidence I show, you're always in denial, always calling me a liar, saying I haven't done that when I have etc...

I have plenty of proof on my channel of my fps I get at 4K max with 1 single "not broken" 1080 Ti FTW3.. Also SLI is a waste of money seeing as hardly any games support it, so most of the time only using a single gpu.

I don't see any proof you own 2 GTX 1080 Ti FTW3. In one of my screenshots, you can clearly see my Steam account in background which proves that's my monitor, my desk, my GPU, my money. Also, I have several pictures of my GPU on different dates, so everybody know's I haven't just had the GPU for a day like you. There's no proof that that's even your rig. Could be anybodys. Benchmark stats also doesn't prove a thing. What site did you grab those off?? See what I mean. Also, you even state yourself in your screenshot that you ordered 6 1080 Ti's and returned them . Guess you got desperate and will do anything to prove a stranger wrong. It back fired on you. Still 6 GTX 1080 Ti's FTW3 doesn't even come close to my spare change and my Rolex watches....... So you're not impressing anybody. I could buy as many 1080 Ti FTW3 I want, but I know SLi is a waste of money since hardly any games support SLI.


It's a shame there's no website that offer uploads higher than 60 fps. I have a GoPro Hero 6 Black that shoots in 1080p 240 fps and 1440p 120 fps and I could show both my monitors off and put this to rest.

You can stay in denial all you want. I'm tired of talking to you . It's like talking to a brick wall. You always think you're right. Stay in denial, I don't care.

[John Doe]

EliteGamer eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, I don't believe you have SLI 1080 Ti's. You got no evidence of those GPUs, just boxes . The only GPU I see is a weak ass AMD pos which explains your low FPS. You can't expect to lie and get away with it with me. You put those empty boxes up after I exposed you for not having any pictures up. Funny how you show the GPU of the AMD GPU, but not the 1080 Ti's... haha exposed.

This made me LMAO.

[Monk]

What does input lag have to do with the ♥♥♥ performance you get? I could use DSR on my 1440pand replicate 4k, yes the image is crisper, never said it wasn't.
Again, i never said you can't see a difference, I said in a blind test you wouldn't be able to tell as the difference is a mere millisecond, a difference that is pretty much impossible for us to register, my point was you said you saw a larger difference between 160-180 than you see at 60-100, I used maths and evidence to prove that is not possible.

Most games can make use of sli.
I have no doubts some games will run maxed at 60fps while at 4k.
I have never denied that.
However some us not all and doesn't include the most demanding titles.

I don't know why you need a website to upload higher than 60fps for a video, not sure what you want to prove, but YouTube should work fine to show something, there's enough insanely high FPS slomo vids on it to back that up.

[EliteGamer]

This is going to take a long time to type as I’m using my iPhone now but I never said I saw a larger difference at 160hz - 180hz than at 60hz - 100hz. Again, you’re putting words into my mouth I haven’t said. I said the difference at 60hz- 100hz is hardly noticeable which means not much difference. I also said the difference between 160- 180 is small but I do notice it when playing CSGO. I said after 60, you get a big noticeable jump when you get to 120 FPS. After that, you get small jumps but they’re noticeable. Why else do you think 144hz, 180hz and 240hz exists?????

YouTube only shows 60fps. I want to show you in real-time the difference between 180hz and 160hz and 100hz . Also like to show the difference between 60hz and 100hz and prove that it’s small. You make out 60hz is a slide slow with “ I can’t do 4K 60 FPS “ you talk like 60 FPS feels like 20 FPS . I use the 180hz monitor almost everyday and I don’t have any problems going back to 60hz. 180hz is better with movement at desktop etc.... but 60hz isn’t bad. The biggest jump with refresh rate starts really low like 15-30 and 30-60 not 60-100. The higher it gets it gets harder to see, but you do you see a small difference after 120hz.

[Noah]

240hz