does the i5 8400 have thermal paste between the PCB and IHS?

[36564176]

i could easily upgrade from my 6500 and gain more performance but does that cpu have the paste? if it does im not buying it and i'll go for AMD in my next cpu upgrade

[King_BR0K]

you dont need to get a new cpu for a while
you can also upgrade to a 7gen i5 or i7
and yes all intelk cpus have thermal paste inside

[Arya]

All of Intel's stock heatsinks come with Thermal Paste pre-applied. Virtually all heatsinks do, period.

[King_BR0K]

Originally posted by Wolfey:

All of Intel's stock heatsinks come with Thermal Paste pre-applied. Virtually all heatsinks do, period.

he is talking about inside the cpu itsef

[Arya]

Originally posted by AKing1:

he is talking about inside the cpu itsef

One would assume the CPU had some kind of Thermal Interface. Coffeelake has a hell of a reputation for Overclocking, I can't see a CPU with no stock TIM hitting 5.0 GHz.

[igloosfolly]

AMD uses solder Intel uses paste thats why extreme over clockers are deliding thier Intel chips. While there are a couple of videos out deliding the Ryzen the results where not worth it. Results are much better with Intel chips. If you have the money to burn deliding can be fun overclocking is hobby.

[Arya]

Originally posted by igloosfolly:

AMD uses solder Intel uses paste thats why extreme over clockers are deliding thier Intel chips. While there are a couple of videos out deliding the Ryzen the results where not worth it. Results are much better with Intel chips. If you have the money to burn deliding can be fun overclocking is hobby.

Yeah, but you're not going to buy an 8400 for overclocking. It's a Fixed Ratio CPU.

And if you were spending the money on De-Lidding, surely you'd start with a prime Binned 8700K?

[36564176]

i dont wanna have to delid a cpu, and even in a non overclocking chip i dont want paste inside my processor. i may sound ridiculous but even though intel offers a cheap upgrade for probably better than zen 2+ im not getting it because of that stupid paste. the amd cpus should also produce less heat in the higher end so that helps when i live in the desert

[Arya]

Originally posted by RADicalSievert:

i dont wanna have to delid a cpu, and even in a non overclocking chip i dont want paste inside my processor. i may sound ridiculous but even though intel offers a cheap upgrade for probably better than zen 2+ im not getting it because of that stupid paste. the amd cpus should also produce less heat in the higher end so that helps when i live in the desert

Ambient temp has very, very little effect on how your CPU operates. I live in Victoria, Australia, which has massive seasonal variation. During summer we get 110+ and in winter we get sleet and snow. My CPU temps are virtually the same, all year round. I've never noticed hotter temperatures, even on insanely hot summer days. And I would notice, because there's an enormous CPU temp guage in my peripheral vision whenever I'm using this PC.

I would say the variation is less than a degree celsius.

An 8400 will produce very little heat. It's effectively an office CPU, it's de-tuned to run cold. It may actually run colder than an equivalent Ryzen, for all you know. Even a basic heatsink will easily keep it within 50 degrees at maximum load, given it was designed and tuned for Intel's tiny Stock Heatsinks.

You have absolutely no reason to worry about temperatures. My 6700K is overclocked to the upper-limit of sanity(4.8 Ghz) and runs a mid-sized Air Cooler. And I'm only getting 65 celsius under maximum load, come rain, hail or shine.

[36564176]

Originally posted by Wolfey:

Originally posted by RADicalSievert:

i dont wanna have to delid a cpu, and even in a non overclocking chip i dont want paste inside my processor. i may sound ridiculous but even though intel offers a cheap upgrade for probably better than zen 2+ im not getting it because of that stupid paste. the amd cpus should also produce less heat in the higher end so that helps when i live in the desert

Ambient temp has very, very little effect on how your CPU operates. I live in Victoria, which has massive seasonal variation. During summer we get 110+ and in winter we get sleet and slow. My CPU temps are virtually the same, all year round. I've never noticed hotter temperatures, even on insanely hot summer days. And I would notice, because there's an enormous CPU temp guage in my peripheral vision whenever I'm using this PC.

An 8400 will produce very little heat. It's effectively an office CPU, it's de-tuned to run cold. It may actually run colder than an equivalent Ryzen, for all you know. Even a basic heatsink will easily keep it within 50 degrees at maximum load, given it was designed and tuned for Intel's tiny Stock Heatsinks.

You have absolutely no reason to worry about temperatures. My 6700K is overclocked to the upper-limit of sanity(4.8 Ghz) and runs a mid-sized Air Cooler. And I'm only getting 65 celcius under maximum load, come rain, hail or shine.

im worrying about temperatures for me, i want my computer to heat up my room as little as possible, and when amd catches up to intel's higher end processors they should produce less heat

[John Doe]

Yeah, the TIM is junk. Intel doesn't use solder and companies like Aquacomputer have been making delid tools all the way back from the days of Skylake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBL4sTPUh7Y&t=2m18s

However, since the 8400 is a relatively low profile CPU as was mentioned above, you won't really have troubles with temps as long as it's cooled well. But if you're so concerned about it, then it might be worth waiting for the new AMD chips.

[36564176]

Originally posted by John Doe:

Yeah, the TIM is junk. Intel doesn't use solder and companies like Aquacomputer have been making delid tools all the way back from the days of Skylake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBL4sTPUh7Y&t=2m18s

However, since the 8400 is a relatively low profile CPU as was mentioned above, you won't really have troubles with temps as long as it's cooled well. But if you're so concerned about it, then it might be worth waiting for the new AMD chips.

ryzen 7 on passmark is about 1900, pretty much the same as my current cpu, zen2+ would be between 2000 and i guess 2300 maybe more with overclocking, so i hope zen 3 would outperform my processor by a good amount

[Arya]

Originally posted by RADicalSievert:

im worrying about temperatures for me, i want my computer to heat up my room as little as possible, and when amd catches up to intel's higher end processors they should produce less heat

I respect and admire your faith in AMD, but it's somewhat misplaced. We don't live in a world where lovable losers can compete with industry titans, that's a myth created by Hollywood.

AMD exists on Intel's forebearance, because AMD is more useful alive than dead. AMD's token competition protects Intel from prosecution or punishment for it's near-total market dominance. If AMD ever provided real competition, I fully expect Intel would wipe it from existance. They have the resources to do so, easily.

AMD will never out-develop Intel, since Intel's R&D devision is probably larger than Intel's entire employee count. And because Intel's research budget is likely higher than AMD's total revenue. Intel can afford to hire and retain the very best, throw huge amounts of cash at projects, and absorb R&D failures much more easily. AMD has to take a more conservative approach, as proven by Ryzen's utterly conventional design.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

You realize that you need to change motherboard too if you want to change into 8400.
8000 series doesnt work on same motherboard as 6000 and 7000 series despite same socket.

[36564176]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

You realize that you need to change motherboard too if you want to change into 8400.
8000 series doesnt work on same motherboard as 6000 and 7000 series despite same socket.

another reason to get amd

[Arya]

Originally posted by RADicalSievert:

another reason to get amd

If you're so convinced to buy AMD, and so unwilling to listen to any evidence to the contrary, then buy AMD. By all means, go ahead.