USB sound card

[Tragik]

Hi. I'm currently using an all in one desktop (Dell Inspiron 1 2020) from 2011. I'm wondering if I should get a headset that comes with a USB sound card, since I don't really have faith in the sound quality of such an old computer. My onboard sound card is something called a 'NVIDIA virtual audio device( Wave extensible)' and Realtek HD Audio. Can I get your opinion on whether I should find a headset with a USB sound card? Thanks

And I'm pretty clueless on this matter so forgive me if I said something stupid :(

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

well that might eb right but" most portable DAC for the use on laptops or for gamign have an AmpUp (Amplifier) incl. the Fiio E10K or the ♥♥♥♥♥ Models recommended above. So they all would according that description also be an external Soundcard.

No but's about it. The E10K lacks an amp which makes it a mere DAC. DAC's are incapable of amplification alone so if the OP is using headphones with it, they may as well hook them straight into the headphone jacks on their laptop.

Meanwhile we have the SoundBlaster Omni...which not only is capable of Dolby Digital Live and DTS-HD, but it also has a 600 Ohm impedence at the headphone jack. That is studio grade headphone amplifier equpiment on that sucker for realatively the same price as the E10K....

[tacoshy]

https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E10K-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B00LP3AMC2

So that not what you call an amplifier? what else is that amplifier in the product sheet?

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E10K-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B00LP3AMC2

So that not what you call an amplifier? what else is that amplifier in the product sheet?

Volume knob=/=has amplifier.

https://www.amazon.com/Bose-715053-0110-QuietComfort-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B00VW7U8X4/ref=sr_1_1/140-8042172-1713548?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1526778094&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A12097494011

https://www.amazon.com/Powerbeats-Wireless-Ear-Headphones-Black/dp/B00IYA2ZJW/ref=sr_1_3?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1526778158&sr=1-3&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A12097494011

https://www.amazon.com/Earphones-Earbuds-Noise-isolating-Headphones-Cancelling/dp/B07B5XMF6H/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1526778158&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A12097494011

[tacoshy]

not talking about the volume know... what is the amazon name?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeWsa-bdukY
https://www.headphone.com/products/fiio-e10k-olympus-2


hmm Fiio E10K Olympus 2 DAC/Amp... hmm why is everywhere the Amp in the name? Yeah because clearly the entire internet is wrong [/ironie]
When you ask others not to talk about stuff they dont know and then staking stuff that you clearly dont know about not cant explain...

Happy to see how you want to talk yourself out of it again.

[Jamebonds1]

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

what W = Volt *Ampere? That made no sense.

https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/watt-volt-amp-calculator.html

That's also the same mistake is done with PSU's as most pc users just look at the watts then also at the Ampere which often is way more intresting espacially for OC'lers then the Watts.

Yeah. I know what is Ohm's law is, but what are you talk about? I do same thing from 32 Ohm 200 mW to 600 Ohm 10.67 mW.

Such as,

I want to finding what is answer for using 600 Ohm on headphone amplifier.

To find out for volt because that is main power supply voltage for amplifier.

sqrt(200 mW * 32)= 2.52982213

Then I want to finding out how many power with 600 Ohm.

sqr(2.52982213)/600= 0.0106666667 = 10.67 mW.

So it is same thing.

The Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

No but's about it. The E10K lacks an amp which makes it a mere DAC. DAC's are incapable of amplification alone so if the OP is using headphones with it, they may as well hook them straight into the headphone jacks on their laptop.

Yes, this is sound card and is headphone amplifier. Without it, it wouldn't work. EX: DAC>opAMP>amplifier>headphone. This is what some DAC/AMP has it. https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TPA6120A2DWPRG4/TPA6120A2DWPRG4-ND/1907430

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/watt-volt-amp-calculator.html

That's also the same mistake is done with PSU's as most pc users just look at the watts then also at the Ampere which often is way more intresting espacially for OC'lers then the Watts.

Yeah. I know what is Ohm's law is, but what are you talk about? I do same thing from 32 Ohm 200 mW to 600 Ohm 10.67 mW.

Such as,

I want to finding what is answer for using 600 Ohm on headphone amplifier.

To find out for volt because that is main power supply voltage for amplifier.

sqrt(200 mW * 32)= 2.52982213

Then I want to finding out how many power with 600 Ohm.

sqr(2.52982213)/600= 0.0106666667 = 10.67 mW.

So it is same thing.

The Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

No but's about it. The E10K lacks an amp which makes it a mere DAC. DAC's are incapable of amplification alone so if the OP is using headphones with it, they may as well hook them straight into the headphone jacks on their laptop.

Yes, this is sound card and is headphone amplifier. Without it, it wouldn't work. EX: DAC>opAMP>amplifier>headphone. This is what some DAC/AMP has it. https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TPA6120A2DWPRG4/TPA6120A2DWPRG4-ND/1907430

Still not as capable though...

[Jamebonds1]

The Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah. I know what is Ohm's law is, but what are you talk about? I do same thing from 32 Ohm 200 mW to 600 Ohm 10.67 mW.

Such as,

I want to finding what is answer for using 600 Ohm on headphone amplifier.

To find out for volt because that is main power supply voltage for amplifier.

sqrt(200 mW * 32)= 2.52982213

Then I want to finding out how many power with 600 Ohm.

sqr(2.52982213)/600= 0.0106666667 = 10.67 mW.

So it is same thing.



Yes, this is sound card and is headphone amplifier. Without it, it wouldn't work. EX: DAC>opAMP>amplifier>headphone. This is what some DAC/AMP has it. https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TPA6120A2DWPRG4/TPA6120A2DWPRG4-ND/1907430

Still not as capable though...

Still not as capable....? Why not?

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

The Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

Still not as capable though...

Still not as capable....? Why not?

Have you seen its control pannel suite?

[Jamebonds1]

The Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Still not as capable....? Why not?

Have you seen its control pannel suite?

Then that is not true. Without amplifier, it would not work. Control panel suite had nothing with it's hardware.

[[☥] - CJ -]

You guys are sooooo going off topic lol

Simple answer is
While an old Dells integrated soundcard may be limited, it really depends on what you'll be listening with.

Headphones/Headsets tend to be limited themselves unless you go with the somewhat expensive ones

With actual speakers you pretty much have more room to customize the settings to your liking

Whereas as mentioned before, USB type systems basically use their own hardware/software and wont use the Integrated soundcard at all so depending on what customizations they allow they may not be any better than what the Integrated soundcard offers.

I use the Integrated Realtek on my Z68 board and it does perfectly fine because im using a 5.1 surround system, even though they are nearing 10 years old or some such they still offer good sound because i customize the settings to make them sound good.

On the other hand
Due to it being a crappy Dell to begin with
You may be better off just saving up any money and putting it towards a new system
Even a starter Ryzen system would probably be better than what you have and in the process youd be getting a better Integrated Soundcard as well.

So ehhh... all depends on what you want to do i guess

[Tragik]

☥ - CJ -님이 먼저 게시:

You guys are sooooo going off topic lol

Simple answer is
While an old Dells integrated soundcard may be limited, it really depends on what you'll be listening with.

Headphones/Headsets tend to be limited themselves unless you go with the somewhat expensive ones

With actual speakers you pretty much have more room to customize the settings to your liking

Whereas as mentioned before, USB type systems basically use their own hardware/software and wont use the Integrated soundcard at all so depending on what customizations they allow they may not be any better than what the Integrated soundcard offers.

I use the Integrated Realtek on my Z68 board and it does perfectly fine because im using a 5.1 surround system, even though they are nearing 10 years old or some such they still offer good sound because i customize the settings to make them sound good.

On the other hand
Due to it being a crappy Dell to begin with
You may be better off just saving up any money and putting it towards a new system
Even a starter Ryzen system would probably be better than what you have and in the process youd be getting a better Integrated Soundcard as well.

So ehhh... all depends on what you want to do i guess

Hey, sorry if these questions are stupid but I want to learn more about this stuff.
By 'system', what are you referring to? A desktop?
Also, for desktops, what determines the sound quality? Since the desktop itself doesn't seem to come with its own sound card. If I plug in headphones into the desktop without speakers, where does the sound come from?
And where is the integrated sound card contained?

[[☥] - CJ -]

System as in a new Desktop yes

The motherboard is where the integrated soundcard is, All PCs and Laptops come with an Integrated soundcard as part of the motherboard

Where you plug in your speakers or earphones in the back of the PC, thats part of the integrated soundcard. Front sound inputs/outputs are connected to it as well.

What determines the quality of the integrated soundcard generally has to do with the quality of the motherboard itself, higher end motherboards tend to come with higher quality integrated soundcards.

But generally speaking most PCs or motherboards made within the past few years typically have good enough soundcards that external or dedicated internal soundcards such as PCI or PCI-E arent needed except in the case where the User requires something better for whatever reason.

[Tragik]

Ah I see. Thanks for the info! I guess that means that the best option for me currently is to get a new PC to replace this 7 year old one. I'll probably stick with a non USB headset for this Dell computer, then get a new PC sometime around next year which will hopefully have better sound quality, so I won't feel like I missed out on not having the external sound card. Thanks for the help.

[Washell]

The Realtek HD that's built in to the Dell's motherboard is fine for comfortable gaming. Especially with a low budget headset. It won't be any worse or better than a budget USB solution.

[Tragik]

Washell님이 먼저 게시:

The Realtek HD that's built in to the Dell's motherboard is fine for comfortable gaming. Especially with a low budget headset. It won't be any worse or better than a budget USB solution.

Oh thanks. I guess that reinforces my choice of headset